Comics The Return of Brock

[shogunrua]

I have pretty mixed feelings about Eddie returning as Venom. I, in some way, dig what they are doing with Venom in Thunderbolts, especially with the symbiote and for the first time, I really see the symbiote as a really frightening being. I don't like the angle of the symbiote having the upper hand and MacGargan being some sort of "puppet" (I know they sometime tried this approach with Eddie but it was always more displayed as a clear symbiotic relationship than parasitism)

We can discuss the legitimity of Brock's hatred for Spider-Man, but that doesn't change the fact that Eddie hated Peter with a passion, and I think that it's something they've lost with "the temptation of Eddie Brock" (he clearly apologized to Peter in it). Ok don't get me wrong, I loved that story, but what we saw was a broken man, in the last months/years left and fighting that visceral hatred and gaining the upper hand. They should have let him die in that suicide attempt, because even if at the end we saw that his dark side is still there, he's willing to fight against it, and in some way, this situation is worse than at the beginning of the story arc, because now he'll be even more pushed to become an anti-hero

And that's the problem I (and I've some of you too) have with Venom: he has to remain a villain. Sure, even Green Goblin and DOc Ock have shown some humanity sometimes, but not the way Marvel tried to sold Venom as a anti-hero.

Clearly, the problem I have with Eddie returning as Venom is: how are they going to restore that hatred he has for Spider-Man/Peter without it being forced the way it was the first time ?

 

[E.Brock]

As the 616 universe stands...how do you guys see Eddie Brock reclaiming the symbiote?

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[moraldeficiency]

Really good topic. Personally I like Gargan better as venom, but Gargan has been criminally underwritten for the longest time as a punching bag for new heroes to make their bones on. If anyone remembers the original scorpion was the bigger badder version of Spider-Man, he had nearly identical powers but was amped up and Pete really struggled to take him out, then for some reason he became all about the suit and people forgot Mac could take out most of the Marvel U in his pajamas.

I loved the first really appearence of the new venom in picking sides (or was it choosing sides?). That was badassery of the highest order. But he seems almost toned down now. Before people start mentioning the eating arms thing let me explain. The parasite (it is a parasite BTW, it just chooses not to be) amplifies the strengths of it's host. It didn't do that with Pete because it figured he was strong enough and that was back when the parasite wasn't insane(yes, it's insane now, I'll explain that in a moment). When it bonded with Eddie it started going all out. Amping strength, using healing and manipulation abilities, basically it used all it's tricks except taking over a person's mind completely and absorbing life energy wholesale. What this means is this same crazy parasite on Mac should enhance him to a level where he's in the Hulk's strength class. He's not, but that could be because of personality clashes so we'll see.

To me venom isn't any man, it's the parasite, and it's never represented enough for me. Remember Web#1 where the symbiote chose it's first emotional act as saving Pete's life after he had rejected the creature? Eventually the parasite, the one actual decent being of all the parasites (that's why it was exciled in Secret Wars), took these new emotions that it just learned and fell into hate, this twisted by Brock's emotions, but I believe it was intended to bond with other villians and take on some new characteristics which would have been awesome. Think arcs with a rhino venom or a vulture venom even. That was an inspired idea that never happened. I look at a comic like Reign #4 and you see what venom should really be. The monologue venom gave pete about shirking his responsibilities? GOLD, and the first time I actually started getting the charater as a whole and not just a gimick. Where I picture venom ending is without a host, after bonding with Pete's greatest foes and gaining their knowledge, warped hate and becoming Pete's greatest challenge because of it.

To answer the question, I think the symbiote out of "love/hate" will return to Brock and "cure" him in return for Brock letting the it drive for a while and giving us a taste of what those parasites can really do. Or at least I hope so. But that will be in a long while because the mind wipe thing from OMD makes the symbiote even knowing who Brock is in question. It bonded with him over his parker hate and..... well you get where this logic train ends.

 

[E.Brock]

can anyone tell me which issue of the civil war series or the civil war spin off books that eddie brock appeared for just one panel in a hospital bed (his name was Edward Brock for some reason)

 

[Venom 1988]

can anyone tell me which issue of the civil war series or the civil war spin off books that eddie brock appeared for just one panel in a hospital bed (his name was Edward Brock for some reason)

IIRC it was ASM# 533

 

[WolfCypher]

Well, his real to name IS Edward Brock, but in that issue, his name was misspelled "Edwin Brock".

 

[E.Brock]

Well, his real to name IS Edward Brock, but in that issue, his name was misspelled "Edwin Brock".

yea thats what I meant.. embarrassing typo

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I want Brock as Venom...My favorite villian

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's been way too long without Brock as Venom. If I remember correctly about news that was posted not too long ago, the Venom mini-series is still in the works right? Well, I am looking foward to that, so that's a nice thing. However, are we every going to see the badass, sarcastic Venom that we all know and love? Hopefully soon, because Gargan as Venom was a bad idea from the start.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

They still need to work on Brock though. They should just drop the Lethal Protector **** all together. He doesn't harm innocents, cool, but it shouldn't be a major thing. Just have him target Spidey.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

They still need to work on Brock though. They should just drop the Lethal Protector **** all together. He doesn't harm innocents, cool, but it shouldn't be a major thing. Just have him target Spidey.

Well, back in Sensation Spider-Man Issue #38, Brock supposedly heard and saw the Symbiote telling him to kill one of the nurses and towards the end of the Issue, Brock said to Peter, "It was trying to make me kill your Aunt May, but I stopped it. I carved him out." or something like that. So, he basically cared for Peter's Aunt May. I don't think there really is any way of changing that right now and besides, I'd rather have brock as Venom and him be an Anti-Hero than Gargan being Venom.

 

[Venom 1988]

I'd rather have brock as Venom and him be an Anti-Hero than Gargan being Venom.

Not me, I'd rather have A Venom thats willing to bite some guys arm off rather than that Lethal Protector, anti hero crap. I was really liking what "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was going for, how he was starting to view everyone as corrupt and no one is innocent.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not me, I'd rather have A Venom thats willing to bite some guys arm off rather than that Lethal Protector, anti hero crap. I was really liking what "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was going for, how he was starting to view everyone as corrupt and no one is innocent.

Oh I agree, I'm just saying that if there was only two choices, have Venom be lethal protector or Garagn as Venom, I'd choose Lethal protector Brock as Venom. However, I really want the cold blooded Venom back. Also, I agree that "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was awesome.

 

[Venom 1988]

Oh I agree

You agree? Then why did you say this contradicting statment

I'm just saying that if there was only two choices, have Venom be lethal protector or Garagn as Venom, I'd choose Lethal protector Brock as Venom. However, I really want the cold blooded Venom back. Also, I agree that "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was awesome.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

You agree? Then why did you say this contradicting statment

In my first post, I said

I'd rather have brock as Venom and him be an Anti-Hero than Gargan being Venom.

the way I put it made it sound like I'm saying I want Lethal Protector Venom. However, that was if I had a chose between Garagn being Venom or having Brock being Lethal Protector Venom. That's if I could only choose between the two.

 

[Venom 1988]

Anti hero = Lethal Protector

Its the same thing

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anti hero = Lethal Protector

Its the same thing

I know, sorry if my post confused you.

 

[Arcturus]

IF Eddie Brock does reunite with the symbiote to form Venom once again, then he must be a villain. I do not want him to be a lethal protector.

 

[E.Brock]

still crossing my fingers about the upcoming thunderbolts issue

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

IF Eddie Brock does reunite with the symbiote to form Venom once again, then he must be a villain. I do not want him to be a lethal protector.

Judging by how Brock acted in "The Last Tempatation of Eddie Brock" when he killed the nurse, I don't think he'll be a Lethal Protector.

 

[unstoppable]

I hope he does he was the only interesting venom

 

[Arcturus]

Judging by how Brock acted in "The Last Tempatation of Eddie Brock" when he killed the nurse, I don't think he'll be a Lethal Protector.

Oh yeah, he was certainlly deranged.

 

[E.Brock]

WELCOME BACK BROCK

http://comics.ign.com/articles/870/870929p1.html

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh yeah, he was certainlly deranged.

Indeed, and since Brock returns in ASM this coming august, it's going to be great seeing how deranged he is once again, but this time with ALOT more happening.