Comics The Return Of Eddie Brock

[Dangerous]

Does anybody else think Eddie will kill Aunt May?

Think about it, what better way to really make Venom worthy again but to actually, finally have him DO something other than scare Peter or Peter's loved ones?

Lord, I hope so. She'll probably die anyway, please let Eddie pull the plug!

That would give Brock a level of validity that pretty much nothing else could aside from him killing MJ. In a rather one dimensional but huge way it would make Venom a dangerous and tripple A vilain again. Thing is- I just don't think the character (EB) is worth it. Killing May just so it means an obsolete yet wildly popular Spider-man foe gets to be relevant again.

What I mean by that is no villain (esp Brock) deserves to be able to get kill Aunt May. She is intrinsic to Spider-lore and deserves to go out in a dignified way, from natural causes.Why She was ever brought back is beyond me... Next time she dies, if ever, it will really be the end. This means it has to be done in the right way (again).

And yes, Brock's an insane loser because he thinks Spidey's responsible for his ****ty life. That's the character. It works for me. He's a villain that's pure, unadultered force. Rhino's practically the same thing, he was just never ruined by being made into an anti-hero.

He is also a loser because he had insane power and knowledge of PP but could never fully exploit it to accomplish his supposed ultimate goal.
Rhino never had the powers/advantages of Venom nor the obsession w/ killing webhead.

 

[Venom Drool]

eddie is the loser, venom isnt.. two seperate things..

without the symbiote...eddie is a loser.

 

[Kevin]

Well, you got a point there...

 

[Dangerous]

'Venom' IS the symbiote bonded with Eddie.
Seperate then its just Eddie or the symbiote.
History speaks volumes in terms of what type of foe Venom has been.

 

[Kevin]

So do we call it Sym?

 

[KingOfDreams]

I wonder what's going to happen to Gargan. He's a member of The Thunderbolts now after all.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Personally, what I would do is write it so May would make it through the ordeal... but Eddie pulls the plug. Why? He wants to really get back at Peter for "ruining his life."

Did Peter really ruin his life? No. But that's the beauty of it (Bear with me, here). If Venom had been written correctly from the beginning... if he'd just been a villain, you (or I, specifically) would have just made him a full-out villain. One of Spidey's few shamelessly evil people. No "innocents" crapola. His reasons for what he does make sense to him alone, and this instability and lack of rationality makes him a threat, coupled with the Symbiote. His one goal is to ruin Spidey's life as much as he thinks Pete has ruined his, and then kill him.

Now, in spite of all of the crap that happened with Venom.... I think you could still do something good with him, and with the KEEPING of Brock, no less. Just ignore 95% of the crap that came before. Hell, Mackie gave Brock selective amnesia about crap during his run.... made him froget that Peter was Spider-Man, among other things, just pull something out of your ass and do your best to salvage Venom. Not the Symbiote, Venom. The union of both BROCK and the Symbiote.

Killing May would not only give Venom the legitimacy he's been lacking since his third appearance or so (when it was obvious he wasn't going to do anything), but it will also make him more threatening. Just build him into a murderer. For as much as Carnage sucked, he was made with the right idea in mind: he's 100% villain.

And if you want depth, THEN you can start rebuilding his origins.... make him into something. Maybe build up his life into a greater tragedy and Spider-Man revealing the Sin-Eater was just the straw that broke the camel's back and thus, Brocks' focus on Pete as the ruination of his life.... that it was a misconception, but Brock will never know that, only have it revealed to us. Thus, we can pity the insane fool as we do Norman Osborn. As for retconning his existing origin and stuff, have his memories warped by the madness that the Symbiote brought on or something.

Something.... ANYTHING to bring Venom back to a respectable level and THEN make him truly worth something. For as much as Raimi has changed the character in the film (Not really TOO much, but still....) he's made Brock into something more credible.... making him more into the anti-Spider-Man, which Venom should have been (and sort of was) in the first place. A lot of potential exists in Venom.... (and that INCLUDES Brock), and I hope what Raimi's done has made that plain to the people at Marvel.

But hey, this is Marvel. The people whose comics get worse every day. And then there's Joe Q.

Who am I kidding? Eddie's return is going to be lackluster. You know it, and I know it.

 

[Kraven]

I wouldn't be so sure about that last statement... RAS seems to be a great writer, and he's very good with past continuity. I'm sure he can make, at least, a good Venom story.

 

[Dangerous]

Sacasa is a fine writer and I'm sure his story will be entertaining and well written. It will be interesting to see what aspects of The Hunger and Millar's Spidey he builds on to flesh out Brock.
The Cancer? the self loathing? ...

DocBrown- Why should Venom get to kill such a pivotal character as May?
Answer- he does deserve too. May should die in bed peacefully from natural causes (again, heh). Venom is mad popular so what, he’s not worth sacrificing the dignity of Aunt May. Repair his rep by him killing off May? No f**king way- she is 1000x as important as him.

Also Bale is the real Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Not, Keaton the balding dwarf.

 

[Shockdingo]

I'm not sure how I feel about Brock killing May, oh well I'll wait and see how it goes.

 

[Dark Spidey]

So let me get this straight.

First, to some people, Venom's a loser because with all his power and knowledge of Peter Parker, he still never managed to do anything to hurt Spidey in a big way...

And now, Venom doesn't even deserve to hurt Spidey in a big way, because he's a loser...

WTF!?

That's some messed up paradox there. Kinda like the chicken and the egg all over again.

 

[shinlyle]

Personally, I'm all for Eddie killing Aunt May. It would be fairly fitting, honestly. Brock, the one villian who went out of his way to be nice to May when he had the symbiote, now has the chance to choose vengence over the path of redemption he chose in MKSM#1-12. If he did this, we could go back to getting a darker, hate-filled, and, I dare say, guilt-ridden Venom...or, better yet, one with no conscience, who is willing to get back at Peter by any means neccesary. Perhaps his adandonment of his faith for his own selfish desires gives him the lethal "edge" he had in the beginning.


Who knows? Maybe Eddie becomes the subject of a nationwide manhunt or killing spree, the symbiote gets wind of it, and abandons Gargan, who once again becomes the Scorpion!

I don't know, with RAS writing it, and considering his attention to continuity (pay attention JMS!!), I'm sure we'll get a great story.

Also, after seeing the cover to SSM, I want the next issue to feature an homage to the Kraven's Last Hunt cover that featured Spidey rising from the grave...only featuring Venom!!

 

[USMC]

I think the best thing Raimi did in regards to his origin is the fact that Peter had an argument with Ben before Ben was killed. Peter never had a chance to say sorry or to say goodbye. That makes it all the more tragic, IMO. And while ASM #400 was a FITTING end to May, Marvel ****ed it up, for no reason whatsoever. Although I love May as a character now, the best sort of growth for peter is to kill her off. And do it in a similar way to Ben's death in the movie.

Eddie should pull the plug on May, or even smother her with a pillow (THAT would be drama, Marvel!!!!). He should go in, be sweet to her, even chat with her (maybe she doesn't remember him or know about him being Venom?) Then he simply covers her face and kills her (whispering "Shhhh...") or something along those lines. Let Eddie be the one to have the final "heartfelt" moment with May. He IS (or should be, anyway) the anti-Spidey. Let her trust him, and then be killed by him. God, I got chills just imagining the scene.

The kicker is this: Peter isn't there. Peter is responsible (just like with Ben), he doesn't get a chance to say goodbye, and Venom is WITHOUT A DOUBT put into one of the top positions again as a Spidey villain. He becomes creepy, murderous, and just downright EVIL. THAT is the Eddie we should have!

And above all other villains that Peter has faced, even Norman... EDDIE will be the one that Peter will try and kill. May's death needs to serve a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things. Having her not just die, but be MURDERED by one one of Spidey's foes, would be the ultimate change for Peter... even better than the unmasking.

YES, the story would be mega-contraversial (sp?), but so was Gwen's death. And a storyline like this would just be so out of left field, but it would make Peter's life INTERESTING again. Not just change for change's sake!

Go for it, Marvel! Kill off May, and give it PURPOSE!

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Sacasa is a fine writer and I'm sure his story will be entertaining and well written. It will be interesting to see what aspects of The Hunger and Millar's Spidey he builds on to flesh out Brock.
The Cancer? the self loathing? ...

DocBrown- Why should Venom get to kill such a pivotal character as May?
Answer- he does deserve too. May should die in bed peacefully from natural causes (again, heh). Venom is mad popular so what, he’s not worth sacrificing the dignity of Aunt May. Repair his rep by him killing off May? No f**king way- she is 1000x as important as him.

Also Bale is the real Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Not, Keaton the balding dwarf.

If Brock got to kill May, he wouldn't be a loser anymore, would he? And Venom isn't popular anymore. Or haven't you noticed the lack of a latest Venom limited series on the shelves?

And the same can be said of Osborn until he killed off Gwen. Gwen was much more important to the readers than Norman Osborn, but he still killed her off, and thus immortalized himself. Lame origins aside, Brock is just like any Spidey Villain, thing is, he just hasn't gotten to make the classic immortalized act that makes him as memorable as the Goblin. You act like Brock was a loser from the first panel he appeared in. Which, judging by your attitude and demeanor, you probably DO think that and won't budge about it. I don't think you'd give Venom any credit even in the areas he still deserves recognition in.

And Keaton being THE Batman is my personal opinion. So screw off. I did not have to dump on Bale to make Keaton look good. Shame that you felt you had to do that for Bale. Your beligerent attitude to my opinion, throwing insults at my opinion (for all intents and purposes) is pathetic. And for the record, Keaton is average height and NOT balding. His hairline hasn't moved since the 80s. Not a combover/wig, because it still grows. I don't care if you don't like him, but get your facts straight.

Now, if you can continue the discussion of EDDIE BROCK without resorting to digs at the subject of my opinion on live-action Batmen (Which is not the topic, I might add), then by all means, keep talking. If you're going to keep being as immature as to poke fun at my harmless opinions, don't bother replying.

 

[Venomfan]

Eddie should pull the plug on May, or even smother her with a pillow (THAT would be drama, Marvel!!!!). He should go in, be sweet to her, even chat with her (maybe she doesn't remember him or know about him being Venom?) Then he simply covers her face and kills her (whispering "Shhhh...") or something along those lines. Let Eddie be the one to have the final "heartfelt" moment with May. He IS (or should be, anyway) the anti-Spidey. Let her trust him, and then be killed by him. God, I got chills just imagining the scene.

The kicker is this: Peter isn't there. Peter is responsible (just like with Ben), he doesn't get a chance to say goodbye, and Venom is WITHOUT A DOUBT put into one of the top positions again as a Spidey villain. He becomes creepy, murderous, and just downright EVIL. THAT is the Eddie we should have!

thats freaking creepy. i like the idea, but its so nasty i dont even know if id want to read it. its so sadistic haha

i think it would be cool if however he gets the symbiot back, it pisses off the thunderbolts, and we have an arc or w/e of the thunderbolts vs. venom. he can start by killing Osborn and puttin him where he belongs. theres prolly another couple guys on thunderbolts that wouldnt be missed either. but i do want to see scorpion again

 

[MisterOCD]

I don’t see why it’s anything to get particularly excited about.
Everybody knows Venom/Brock sucks.

I'll pretend I haven't heard that.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

does anyone not want may to bite the dust?

 

[USMC]

doubt it.

 

[The Joker]

does anyone not want may to bite the dust?

I don't want her to die. Not only have we been there before, but Spidey has precious few supporting characters as it is these days. Aunt May is needed.

Secondly, what purpose would be served in Brock killing May?? And, more importantly, why would he do it?? He's had YEARS to kill her or MJ, and he never has. He doesn't blame May or MJ for his loserness.

Brock killing May would be pointless and meaningless. Just another in a long line of cheap shocks we've had to endure in the last few years.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

yeh thts very true, brock definitly shuldnt be the one to get rid of may

 

[Shockdingo]

Personally, I've been thinking about it. I don't want her to be friggin' murdered by anyone. I've really liked how she's been with Peter and MJ lately, and I'm personally tired of all these shock-value-deaths. Plus like Doc Ock said, Pete's supporting cast is mimimum these days. (Hopefully things'll change)

Anyone else think that the book is going to be him mentally revisiting he and Spidey's history and then imagining various scenarios of how things would change if he killed May etc.? It's called the Temptation, and I don't think he's gonna kill her first issue. Heck (I'll probably sound like a nob or something) maybe he in the end wont kill her, but something interesting will take him in a new direction that's well founded and written. I don't know really, but I'm just getting the vibe, it wont be as straight forward as it seems. Something tells me that things will hopefully be good, but different.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Brock has a twisted sense of honor. From the start, Venom swore to never harm the innocent. Hence why he agreed to help Spider-Man fight Carnage, because Carnage was killing innocents. Thus, he should never kill May.

However, May should die. She was like 70 back when Peter was 15...I swear she took the Super-Soldier Serum...

 

[Venom Drool]

USMC brought up some valid points. the chracter however has always been good short term, turning him into the potential threat on a Norman Osbourn capacity would take some careful planning and consideration down the long road. say the next two years. venom cant off and kill her and resume the anti hero role all over again. id ****ing hate that. hate..

 

[Shockdingo]

Personally, I could care less whether he goes anti hero again or not, the thing is, I just don't want to see Spidey chasing Brock in a issue 2 years from now and he brutally murders a kid just to get away. I'm fine with him being a villain, but I just don't like the whole 100% evil thing, I feel that lacks depth somewhat.

 

[Dangerous]

If Brock got to kill May, he wouldn't be a loser anymore, would he? And Venom isn't popular anymore. Or haven't you noticed the lack of a latest Venom limited series on the shelves?

True Brock would finally redeem himself as a villain.
Venom IS a wildly popular character and has been consistently since his inception some 19 years ago.
Why else would Arad have induced Raimi to include him in SM3? The popularity of Venom = $$$.
The reason we don’t see a Venom title on shelves right now (tho no doubt there will be a few one shots etc soon), is because the character don’t really have what it takes to shoulder a monthly on his own and as such readers soon lose interest.

And the same can be said of Osborn until he killed off Gwen. Gwen was much more important to the readers than Norman Osborn, but he still killed her off, and thus immortalized himself.

When GG killed Gwen that was a first in comics. It signalled the end of the Silver Age and the beginning of a whole new era of consciousness in comics where even the good people could die. It was shocking and unexpected.

Fast forward to today and the main problem w/ Spider-man comics is this penchant Marvel exhibit for producing these tacky shock event storylines. Death is no longer shocking, it is expected and tiresome.
Don’t forget that when GG killed Gwen his character had been gaining momentum for some time- both in terms of character development and as a Supervillain force. Two areas in which Brock has had no such progression. If Venom/Brock were to kill Aunt may it would be symptomatic of the problems with Marvel comics today. Another attempt at an easy fix by Marvel- How do we make Venom good again? I know!- we piss all over Aunt May. Good one.

Lame origins aside, Brock is just like any Spidey Villain, thing is, he just hasn't gotten to make the classic immortalized act that makes him as memorable as the Goblin.

He’s not just like any Spidey villain, hardly any are in the same league as GG. Venom is a once great supervillain force who’s popularity is at odds w/ what he actually represents. His fans, and possibly Marvel now seek that this issue be addressed.

You act like Brock was a loser from the first panel he appeared in. Which, judging by your attitude and demeanor, you probably DO think that and won't budge about it. I don't think you'd give Venom any credit even in the areas he still deserves recognition in.

Actually dude, I think old school Venom ruled, but I’m getting sick of discussing it.
Basically Eddie as Venom was only meant to be used for a short time and as such that worked great.
Once we got past ASM#347 he became boring real fast and suddenly the fact that the character had no substance made a big difference for the first time.

And Keaton being THE Batman is my personal opinion. So screw off. I did not have to dump on Bale to make Keaton look good. Shame that you felt you had to do that for Bale. Your beligerent attitude to my opinion, throwing insults at my opinion (for all intents and purposes) is pathetic. And for the record, Keaton is average height and NOT balding. His hairline hasn't moved since the 80s. Not a combover/wig, because it still grows. I don't care if you don't like him, but get your facts straight.

Hahahaha, are you Keaton yourself?
Seriously, I was just having a laugh, but for me in comparing the two actors Keaton does look like a balding dwarf. He was also a fine Batman though, no doubt.
For me Bale is the man.