The Dark Knight The Riddler/Nygma Thread

[turtlefocker]

The Riddles were rather clever in Batman Forever promblem was they didnt seem very Riddlerish, if that makes sense. Oh and the movie sucked.

 

[Superhobo]

I'm on the same page, maybe not very small time, but a secondary villain on the level of scarecrow. He's key to the plot but not the emphasis of the story.

If reality comes into the play and his use of riddles, then the best way to portray him is as a Thomas Harris type serial killer except not as physically grotesque.

Zsasz is a serial killer. The Joker is a serial killer.

THE RIDDLER IS NOT A SERIAL KILLER!

 

[turtlefocker]

Riddler is definatley not a serial killer. Lets hope Nolan keeps it that way.

 

[The Batman]

I can tell by the serial killer talk that most of you dont know what you're talking about in regards to Riddler

IMO of course

 

[turtlefocker]

Hey your the bat, who are we to argue

 

[The Batman]

Hey your the bat, who are we to argue

I'm just saying...Riddler, when done right of course, is a very old school type. Hes not in it to kill...hes in it to prove a point

 

[Phaser]

Although I highly doubt The Riddler is even in TDK to begin with (more than likely we shall just see an early Edward Nygma at most), I say the best way to go is to just watch the Timm/Dini TAS Riddler episodes and use those as the primary inspiration for the character.

 

[turtlefocker]

Honestly, I may be hated for this, but honestly, I think the "The Batman" riddler is kickass

 

[The Riddler]

(in my opinion) The riddler should be a very VERY small time villain. He doesnt plan heists or big "destroy the city" plots. He would be a mix of the killer from Saw or kind of like Vincent D'Nofrio from the cell. Except socially and physically he would be a total weakling. Picture Robin Williams from One Hour Photo. Just a creepy yet unassuming kind of pathetic person who excerts his power over others by way of his superior intelligence.

He is a typical serial killer except with a twist. The Riddle compulsion is part of his psychosis. For example he would kidnap someone, put them in a room thats slowly filling with water, and leave some kind of sick riddle for Batman and the Police on where they can find the person before its too late. He isnt blood thirsty or crazed. In fact, i think it would be neat if he deep down doesnt even WANT the person to die, but in his messed up way of thinking he isnt responsible, its the police who couldnt figure out the riddle in time. I think that Riddler could totally work on his own for a 3rd Batman movie. Not AMH though, he's not right. I'd also like to see him possibly being hired/coerced into service by other villains like he was in TLH. Riddler could be a totally realistic and engaging villain that would have the audience on the edge of their seat. No question marks all over the place, no silly green suit or domino mask just a really twisted psycho ala Se7en for instance.

i literally hate all your ideas except that i agree that AMH is not right for the riddler in any capacity.

 

[The Riddler]

Honestly, I may be hated for this, but honestly, I think the "The Batman" riddler is kickass

you deserve a punch in the throat.

 

[Killing Joke926]

Although I highly doubt The Riddler is even in TDK to begin with (more than likely we shall just see an early Edward Nygma at most), I say the best way to go is to just watch the Timm/Dini TAS Riddler episodes and use those as the primary inspiration for the character.

Thank you.t:

 

[Hole Shot]

Zsasz is a serial killer. The Joker is a serial killer.

THE RIDDLER IS NOT A SERIAL KILLER!

My point is that if reality is so important to this Batman universe, it's more common for a serial killer to leave clues about his crime than a criminal seeking wealth/power.

And of course the Joker and to a lesser extent Zsasz already exist in the series, another serial killer, especially a classic Batman villian being transformed into one is unecessary.

It's just I'm having a hard time envisioning the classic Riddler in this universe as a main villian to a the film. (Yes, I know he's not a main villian in TDK so stop right there before you waste your fingers energy, captain obvious)



What about this? Take a little from his TLH character as some suggested, but not so much the weakling he portrayed. Make him an insider, someone who knows everything going on in the criminual underworld and him tipping off/screwing with Batman by leaving clues as to what the others are up to? Make him a nuissance to both Batman and the villians.

 

[dollarbill]

Riddler portrayal by Nolan should be the Anti-Jim Carrey.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

My point is that if reality is so important to this Batman universe, it's more common for a serial killer to leave clues about his crime than a criminal seeking wealth/power.

And of course the Joker and to a lesser extent Zsasz already exist in the series, another serial killer, especially a classic Batman villian being transformed into one is unecessary.

It's just I'm having a hard time envisioning the classic Riddler in this universe as a main villian to a the film. (Yes, I know he's not a main villian in TDK so stop right there before you waste your fingers energy, captain obvious)



What about this? Take a little from his TLH character as some suggested, but not so much the weakling he portrayed. Make him an insider, someone who knows everything going on in the criminual underworld and him tipping off/screwing with Batman by leaving clues as to what the others are up to? Make him a nuissance to both Batman and the villians.

I like that idea. I don't want to be too campy, but I want the Riddler to have atleast one outfit with a green question mark on it at one point in the movie.

 

[NoName86]

What the hell is people's problem on here? Why resort to such violent words? I think some folks need to get out a lot more.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

What the hell is people's problem on here? Why resort to such violent words? I think some folks need to get out a lot more.

 

[Slipping_Halo]

edward norton that guy is a chameleon

Edward Norton has been my choice for a long time to be the calmer, cerebral Riddler a la BTAS. Though since he's Hulk now I doubt he'd do it.

I see Jude Law as a good pick too, though, but Norton is definitely #1.

 

[Deaths Head II]

One thing I found appropriate in Batman Forever (GASP!) was Two Face immediately attempting to blow Riddler's brains out when he appeared. I can imagine most people having that reaction when a guy in green spandex shows up in your house offering to make you any criminal offerings. In the comics Riddler always seemed like one of those villains that was purposefully lame, but not in the way that he couldn't be a threat. I mean in the way that its hard to have a justifiable way for a guy to wear green and leave Riddles lying around. He's an example of a classic-style villain in a more modern world. If Riddler shows up in the films, the first instinct of the other characters should probably be "who is this clown?" It is only through the success of his crimes that he should get any recognition, because a goof who puts on a silly outfit seems the only way to keep the recognizable features of the character and not going too real. If the villains in Gotham get more theatrical, it would make sense for people to take it too far. Riddler wasn't "made" like Two-Face or the Joker he puts on an outfit and acted out a gimmick. The idea of super villains and super heroes are common, and we've already had shows and films where people "arrange" their becoming a superhero, so its not a stretch that people would "arrange" their becoming a supervillain. Especially in a city where supervillains are already running around. Again, Batman Forever kind of got that right (I'll probably get stoned for even remotely praising any aspect of that film). Riddler goes to his house, sees Two Face on tv terrorizing a circus. He starts getting ideas, and then starts planning out a name and costume for himself. A classic-style Riddler would probably do something similar where he purposefully creates a goofy identity and gimmick to keep up what is now becoming the "standard" villains in Gotham.

But to make the character more serious, I think he should get just as "lost" in his person as Batman does in his. After a while, he can't even help but place Riddles anymore. I chose "A little bit of both" in the poll, since he would want to in the beginning to create his own act but would eventually lose his own control over it.

 

[xero1186]

It HAS to be OCD. The whole reason the Riddler leaves the clues was written in Justice #3. He leaves clues because as a kid if he did something wrong his father would beat him to make him tell the truth. In a way, he has to leave a trail of "truth" behind because it was literally beaten in to him as a child. Riddler has serious daddy issues. Nobody really touches on that. Everyone sorta sees him as this stupid Jim Carey representation....which is really bad.

And seriously, Batman 3 and 4 aren't worthy of mentioning. They hold no substance against anything Nolan is doing (which is finally giving the bat some cred).

You want to get a great Batman read that's gonna give a GREAT insight on how Nolan seems to be working go read the Long Halloween now!

 

[Superhobo]

I've got a question. Why is it nowadays that almost every supervillian's origin involves some instance of childhood neglect?

 

[SurfDUI]

Zsasz is a serial killer. The Joker is a serial killer.

THE RIDDLER IS NOT A SERIAL KILLER!

Riddler is definatley not a serial killer. Lets hope Nolan keeps it that way.

I can tell by the serial killer talk that most of you dont know what you're talking about in regards to Riddler

IMO of course

I'm assuming that most of you are too young to have read some of the Breyfoggle Batman of the '80's. Maybe Riddler isn't a 'serial' killer, but I've seen him stab and maime several people when he had the question mark type cicle weapon. He has slaughterd, not to the extent of Joker or def. not Zsasz, but he will cut you deep and leave you.

 

[EbolaMonkey]

Riddler portrayal by Nolan should be the Anti-Jim Carrey.

First and foremost, his outfit would have to contain less question marks than this guy:

 

[Steelsheen]

i think most of you guys are jumping the gun here. we're not gonna see The Riddler, at most it will be a small mention of Edward Nygma. how significant that role is gonna be to the movie and the next one remains to be seen.

 

[fear&loathing]

I don't know but I can definitely see Bruce not making a few friends at Wayne Enterprises, possibly in the weapons division....

I don't care what anyone says, Anthony Michael Hall is a dead ringer for the Riddler... even if it is announced he is playing someone else... lol

 

[donk70]

Definitely not by AMH!