The Robin OYL Thread

[sinewave]

That would suck. A lot. Especially in light of how her series ended.

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?

Anyone else like how Tim floored Shiva in this issue? That was fun.

yeah, i liked that too. all that training in the previous year really made an impact on him.

Also, Gotham's cops, whether they're the most elite units, trained to deal with metahumans, or the lowly unis who cruise around looking for donuts, all suck. It's no wonder the city has so much crime; its cops are all morons. The highly trained specialists who knew they were looking for Robin couldn't tell that the "cop" they found lurking about after all the cops were ordered clear of the building perfectly matched Robin's physical description?? All right, it's a tense situation and they believe they're hunting a killer; I can buy that. But even after they find the real cop knocked out and missing his uniform, still no one puts two and two together and recalls that strangely Robinesque cop who was wandering about where he shouldn't have been? Come on!

Other than that one problem, though, this issue was good. Williams' art grew on me over the course of the issue. He's no Kerschl, but he's good enough.

He doesn't throw boomerangs super-fast. He can move, think, and react at super-speed in short bursts.

yeah, i had a problem with that masquerade act by tim, also. those cops easily would have realised that was robin in a cop uniform. plus, i'm sure that police station would have had cameras inside and probably outside it and they'd be able to look at the tapes and identify tim without his mask on. i figured batman would have trained him how to create a disguise so he wouldn't be recognised, why didn't he just sneak in and out that way?

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?



yeah, i liked that too. all that training in the previous year really made an impact on him.




yeah, i had a problem with that masquerade act by tim, also. those cops easily would have realised that was robin in a cop uniform. plus, i'm sure that police station would have had cameras inside and probably outside it and they'd be able to look at the tapes and identify tim without his mask on. i figured batman would have trained him how to create a disguise so he wouldn't be recognised, why didn't he just sneak in and out that way?

why the hell do you act as if he's real, he's being written that way, the writer probably didnt think about it.

 

[sinewave]

why the hell do you act as if he's real, he's being written that way, the writer probably didnt think about it.

then he's a bad writer if he didn't know the character's history.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

then he's a bad writer if he didn't know the character's history.

yeah and i guess you can blame the editor too, he's suppose to update the writers on such things. they probbaly thoght it wasnt important enough to include.

 

[warren_sparta27]

this has been the best story arc so far OYL, right up there with Batman/ Dectective and Action/Superman

 

[sinewave]

yeah and i guess you can blame the editor too, he's suppose to update the writers on such things. they probbaly thoght it wasnt important enough to include.

yup, the editor is also at fault for not recognizing those things i pointed out.

 

[Nightwing 52]

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

damn, i want batman 652

 

[TheCorpulent1]

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?

The whole end of Batgirl's series basically established her as her own woman. She ditched the baggage of her past with David Cain and realized Batman's path wasn't for her either and finally brought some closure to her Shiva/death wish issues. The idea that she would finally become a complete person who's happy with herself rather than a tool for others' agendas and then somehow decide she really needs to be a villain is just insulting to me as a Cassandra fan. She may have bounced back and forth between different parts of her life and different aspects of herself, but the one constant has been that she always wanted to do the right thing to make up for her assassination early in life, even though she could barely even be held responsible for it. Her becoming a villain would basically mean dashing away that moral compass that's always been such a huge part of her.

 

[sinewave]

The whole end of Batgirl's series basically established her as her own woman. She ditched the baggage of her past with David Cain and realized Batman's path wasn't for her either and finally brought some closure to her Shiva/death wish issues. The idea that she would finally become a complete person who's happy with herself rather than a tool for others' agendas and then somehow decide she really needs to be a villain is just insulting to me as a Cassandra fan. She may have bounced back and forth between different parts of her life and different aspects of herself, but the one constant has been that she always wanted to do the right thing to make up for her assassination early in life, even though she could barely even be held responsible for it. Her becoming a villain would basically mean dashing away that moral compass that's always been such a huge part of her.

relax, corp. i'm just throwing out ideas. besides, whose to say she'd necessarily have to be "evil" if she took over the league of assasins. maybe she'd pull a nightwing and try to take it down from the inside. this is all just harmless speculation on my part.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm relaxed, I just tend to rant when my favorite characters are involved in the discussion.

 

[LinternaVerde]

the new robin uniform resembles a lot of this...

From Superman (Vol.1) #158 (Jan. 1963)

 

[Tropico]

relax, corp. i'm just throwing out ideas. besides, whose to say she'd necessarily have to be "evil" if she took over the league of assasins. maybe she'd pull a nightwing and try to take it down from the inside. this is all just harmless speculation on my part.

He did the same to me when I came to your same conclusions, Sinewave. I'm surprised at how few people think that Cassandra could be the new League of Assassin Leader and is the one putting Robin through the wringer. As far as I'm concerned Cassandra is damaged goods after her revival (as you said, due to the Lazarus Pit). What if Tim brings her back from the "dark side"? Wouldn't that be cool? Knowing both sides of the coin might make Cassandra a stronger character, kinda like what they did with Luke Skywalker in the novels after Return of the Jedi.

 

[warren_sparta27]

for some reason i still think Bane might have something to do with this.

 

[spiderbob]

for some reason i still think Bane might have something to do with this.

care to elaborate on why you think that?

 

[Nightwing 52]

Cover and description of issue #153.

ROBIN #153
Written by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. Williams II
Cover by Patrick Gleason & Prentis Rollins
Robin and the new Captain Boomerang take a thrill ride through Gotham's forgotten super-villain hideouts in a race against time to find an armed nuclear weapon!
On sale August 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

 

[Nightwing 52]

My comments on the cover.

Tim teaming up with Owen intrigues me. For one, considering their fathers were involved in a murder and victim situation. Which could lead to a lasting imapact that I'm looking forward to seeing only cause, they both loved their fathers. How they'll end up at odds with eachother should be worth reading, the series so far hasn't had one big flaw I've yet to see.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i find it ******ed that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....

 

[Nightwing 52]

i find it ******ed that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....

In Identity Crisis though, they seemed real close when Owen was training with him after he discovered he had super speed. Along with the emotion that was shown when his father was killed...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

i find it ******ed that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....

People can get attached to parents who were absent for most of their life pretty quickly. There's an indisputable bond between some parents and some children. Presumably Owen was one of those children who had always wanted his absent father figure to return and, when he did, he welcomed him and grew close to him very quickly.

 

[ToddIsDead]

That should be very interesting, considering that their fathers killed eachother.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And were, in turn, killed by each other. They've got equal rights to the anger and grief of their fathers killing the other and dying by the other's hand. They're kind of like two sides of the same coin now, really.

 

[ToddIsDead]

Exactly. It will definitely be interesting.

 

[bulok]

I havent read a new comic book since moving a year ago but reading all about Tim's change (even with the spoilers) makes me want to drive 20 miles to my nearest store and get one. Hope they do a tpb! and soon!

 

[jim lee's bat]

I havent read a new comic book since moving a year ago but reading all about Tim's change (even with the spoilers) makes me want to drive 20 miles to my nearest store and get one. Hope they do a tpb! and soon!

you should read anew comic and you dont have to drive 20 miles order online they usully have discounts and this series I think is worth it