The Run Time Length Thread

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I haven't seen a lot of those movies - I haven't been to a lot of movies lately (only movies I've seen in theaters in the past year have been The Dark Knight, Quantam Of Solace, and Watchmen), and I haven't had time to watch a lot of movies at home, since for the past year I've been working close to 7 days a week, and have little time at home to sit down and watch movies.

There are a couple movies on there - mainly Dragonball Evolution - that were bound to suck regardless of the studio.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that Dragonball is a promising property with loads of potential for high quality?

If you do, then we just need to end this conversation now because we're obviously on different levels.

As far as those other movies that are always brought up - X3, Daredevil, Fantastic 4, Hitman... I don't think those movies are as bad as people make them out to be. For Daredevil and Fantastic 4, I don't think they are bad movies at all. I enjoy Hitman, though as a fan of the games I know it's faults.

The other big thing is the fact that these are just movies. No matter how beloved the source materials are, they are just movies and not really that serious. I just find it a waste of time to get so worked up over a movie studio.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That right there is evidence that your taste in movies is VERY trivial.

Either that or your hate for FOX got in the way of your common sense when deeming X3 a lesser film than Punisher Warzone (crime of a film) or The Spirit (evidence that Frank Miller should never direct again).

That right there is only evidence that I have a different opinion than you, a concept that seems lost on you seeing as you try and insult anyone who shows a differing opinion to you. FOX didnt make me hate X3, X3 made me hate X3, I dont outright hate every Fox movie so sorry to burst your little bubble. Die Hard 4 I enjoyed quite a bit, though the harder cut was much better and much more Die Hard. And Avatar I am immensely looking forward to.

To me, X3 was not only a bad adaptation, but a bad movie also, THATS why I hate it, when you realise other people have differing opinions to you you may be able to get this.

I dont want to turn this into an insulting argument, and I am not trying to be insulting with the comments above, its just that the way you come accross is that you think your opinion for these movies is rule, when its just your opinion. X3 to me, is a dreadful film.

I haven't seen a lot of those movies - I haven't been to a lot of movies lately (only movies I've seen in theaters in the past year have been The Dark Knight, Quantam Of Solace, and Watchmen), and I haven't had time to watch a lot of movies at home, since for the past year I've been working close to 7 days a week, and have little time at home to sit down and watch movies.

There are a couple movies on there - mainly Dragonball Evolution - that were bound to suck regardless of the studio.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that Dragonball is a promising property with loads of potential for high quality?

If you do, then we just need to end this conversation now because we're obviously on different levels.

As far as those other movies that are always brought up - X3, Daredevil, Fantastic 4, Hitman... I don't think those movies are as bad as people make them out to be. For Daredevil and Fantastic 4, I don't think they are bad movies at all. I enjoy Hitman, though as a fan of the games I know it's faults.

The other big thing is the fact that these are just movies. No matter how beloved the source materials are, they are just movies and not really that serious. I just find it a waste of time to get so worked up over a movie studio.

I dont know enough about Dragonball to know whether it has potential or not, BUT, I do know that the hardcore DB fans hate the movie because it is not only poor but pays no homage to the source material. Those other movies get pretty much the same reaction. Not to mention out of all of the ones listed, you only managed to pick 4 that "werent that bad."

I dont get angry Nell, I used to, now I just simply vote with my pocket. I will pay to see a Fox movie if I believe they have put the effort to make a good movie. As with any product, if I am not satisfied with it I wont pay for it.

 

[Theweepeople]

If adaptations based on an amusement park ride and a toyline can be turned into 300million dollar blockbusters films I don't see why another popular comic can't be adapted into a successful film. Could any of us really predict that Transformers and Pirates1 would be blockbuster hits a decade ago?

Of course if you're a studio named Fox with a control freak CEO, successfully adapting any property right with quality source material is typically a miracle.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

aveit, i mention those films because those are the ones that everyone uses as examples to how bad fox is. the fact is i dont have a favorite studio. the only reason i am even aware of what studio has what films is because of all the crying ive seen on these forums for 4 years that ive been to. id argue that save for elektra, the worst comic book films are non fox - hulk, blade 2 and 3, catwoman, the pre nolan batmans, the hellboy movies... dd, f4, those movies arent close to bad. another of the fanboys most hated, ghost rider is by the same studio that did spiderman. none of the punisher movies were fox and people hate those (i loved the tom jane one but havent seen wz). then with everyones crying over fox and how bad they were, i looked through my dvd collection and noticed a good bulk of my favorite movies were fox. xmen, star wars, titanic, simpsons, id4, thats what? 13 films off the bat? i like a lot of their comedies (thats my other beef with fox haters, comedies and family films are ok. not everything has to be lotr or tdk) i like the first avp, hitman. theres probably tons others, but like i said i dont regularly keep tabs on what movie studios produce what. if a movie looks good, i will see it, period. i dont care about studios, reviews, or any of that crap. i judge movies based on their stories and how well i think they are executed. i think that dragonball is a piece of **** property and it would suck anywhere. so i dont knock fox for that. i knock whatever fool thought up dbz in the first place and thought it was a good idea. all of that is why i dont get the hatred for a movie studio. and like u said, if u dont like their products, u as a consumer have a right to not pay for it. although that doesnt give justification to download it, just because u dont like the studio. not saying u specifically aveit, just in general. ps sorry about the formatting, i am posting this from my phone.

 

[neemer5]

After reading all these posts about run time, how the movie felt rushed (like X3), and how Fox is totally cheap, I realized something quite ironic:

The scenes most needed, and most likely to make this film both successful and profitable, are the scenes which probably would cost the least to make by a wide margin.

And since Hood likely at least directed those scenes (or even mere shots), I believe that the editing team was likely pressured to trim the film down to a tidy length for the sole purpose of screening the film a certain amount of times in a day.

I hate this trend of taking all these respectable indie or up-and-coming directors, handing them blockbuster films, and then essentially draining them of any creative control. Hood is not the first casualty of this, but hopefully he'll be the last. I'm hoping this doesn't happen to Gondry and Green Hornet, I think he's next on the chopping block.

 

[icelemt38]

It has been said that Hood got 90% the final film that he wanted, so I wouldn't be surprised if that 10% was runtime stuff, or things he wanted in the film that the editors trimmed out. I personally really liked the movie but do feel that it needs some transitions and pacing things. I don't consider myself a fangirl at all, just merely a fan of Hugh and X1 & X2, and not knowing much about Wolvie outside of the cartoons in the 90s, I thought the movie was great, for me on par with X1. But if the pacing was leveled out more and not as rushed, then I would put it above X1 for me, X2 however seems to be untouchable in this series.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

If adaptations based on an amusement park ride and a toyline can be turned into 300million dollar blockbusters films I don't see why another popular comic can't be adapted into a successful film. Could any of us really predict that Transformers and Pirates1 would be blockbuster hits a decade ago?

Of course if you're a studio named Fox with a control freak CEO, successfully adapting any property right with quality source material is typically a miracle.

Those films success were NOTHING to do with the actual source material.

Think about it. Films featuring giant alien robots that turn into vehincles smashing the crap out of each other is going to be popular.

A series of films about Pirates featuring Jonny Depp as a drunk pirate were gonna be popular regardless. Most people probably never even heard of the ride, I know i didn't.

But personally, I hated Transformers and the POTC films.

 

[TNC9852002]

Me, I don't really look at films studio-to-studio. It's only when I come here that people like to throw the FOX card around in gauging their films.

I mean, most movies in the past 3-4 years, the GOOD ones, people never can really remember each and every studio(s) that distributed them, but they'll remember the director. Whenever it comes down to an online debate discussing 20th Century FOX distributed movies, good or bad, there never seems to be an issue with the director or the writer, but just this arbitrary "FOX" or Rothman moniker and I really don't like this double standard. A good director with good writers and a script will make a good movie. Period. It shouldn't significantly matter what studio distributes the film. If a studio gives you parameters and rules, its up the talent of the writers and directors to take those guidelines and make the best movie possible.

Like others have mentioned, it's not just a comic book thing. Several studios have hit and miss with their comic book properties, so we can throw that whole argument out. FOX has been in a slump for just a couple of years here, but they're far from being down and out. We can't just set aside all of those great properties that they've delivered us just because we had a beef over one or two comic book movies that may have missed their mark...and now people have been using these gripes to take over their opinion of the entire studio in general. That's pretty petty if you ask me. It might seem fair depending on your perspective, but to me, personally, I wish I could take it all so seriously.

Not really.

 

[chaseter]

Guess who hires the writers and the directors If Fox own the rights to something, they hire a writer and use what script they like. They then hire a director.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

aveit, i mention those films because those are the ones that everyone uses as examples to how bad fox is. the fact is i dont have a favorite studio. the only reason i am even aware of what studio has what films is because of all the crying ive seen on these forums for 4 years that ive been to. id argue that save for elektra, the worst comic book films are non fox - hulk, blade 2 and 3, catwoman, the pre nolan batmans, the hellboy movies... dd, f4, those movies arent close to bad. another of the fanboys most hated, ghost rider is by the same studio that did spiderman. none of the punisher movies were fox and people hate those (i loved the tom jane one but havent seen wz). then with everyones crying over fox and how bad they were, i looked through my dvd collection and noticed a good bulk of my favorite movies were fox. xmen, star wars, titanic, simpsons, id4, thats what? 13 films off the bat? i like a lot of their comedies (thats my other beef with fox haters, comedies and family films are ok. not everything has to be lotr or tdk) i like the first avp, hitman. theres probably tons others, but like i said i dont regularly keep tabs on what movie studios produce what. if a movie looks good, i will see it, period. i dont care about studios, reviews, or any of that crap. i judge movies based on their stories and how well i think they are executed. i think that dragonball is a piece of **** property and it would suck anywhere. so i dont knock fox for that. i knock whatever fool thought up dbz in the first place and thought it was a good idea. all of that is why i dont get the hatred for a movie studio. and like u said, if u dont like their products, u as a consumer have a right to not pay for it. although that doesnt give justification to download it, just because u dont like the studio. not saying u specifically aveit, just in general. ps sorry about the formatting, i am posting this from my phone.

The majority of those movies you liked from Fox were before 10 years ago though Nell, I love a lot of Fox movies as well, but very few of them are from the last 10 years, which is when most of their poor output has been produced.

How you can prefer the FF movies to the likes of pre-Nolan Batman's (specifically Burtons's one's) Blade II and the Hellboy movies is simply beyond me. Those movies got better critical and fan receptions than both FF movies got anywere near, X3 itself never got near the critical or fan reception the Hellboy movies did. If you like these movies Nell, fair enough, its your opinion. But the movies you are comparing them to are actually recognised by critics and fans as significantly better movies.

 

[Theweepeople]

Those films success were NOTHING to do with the actual source material.

The point I was making is the source material for both of those movies is incredibly weak. Pirates barely even has source material since it's a ride. As for transformers the source material was never strong nor did it have consistent continuity. There are many transformers cartoon and comic incarnations that have no relation so of course the film would have deviations from the source material.

Think about it. Films featuring giant alien robots that turn into vehincles smashing the crap out of each other is going to be popular.

There was no guarantee the movie would be successful simply because of this concept. I thought a film featuring space marines fighting Giant Insects on another planet could be popular but, that film(Starship Troopers) bombed at the boxoffice.

Both films had quite a few things in common. They are both sci-fi films with no A-list actors/actresses. They had great action and special effects. The storylines were pretty straightforward with very few plot twists. Inspite of having all these things in common one movie failed while the other was a colossal hit.

A series of films about Pirates featuring Jonny Depp as a drunk pirate were gonna be popular regardless. Most people probably never even heard of the ride, I know i didn't.

First of all Johnny Depp was not a big box office draw before Pirates1 came out. Sleepy Hollow was a boxoffice disappointment and Edward Scissorhands was the last financial hit that Johnny starred in. Furthermore, the last Pirate movie made before Pirates1 was Cutthroat Island. That movie is one of the biggest bombs of all time. There was no guarantee any movie about Pirates would ever be successful.

But personally, I hated Transformers and the POTC films.

I guess some who read this would think that you had ridiculously high expectations for these films. Others would suggest that you should have switched off your brain and be entertained. I'm merely using some of the reasoning you used in another thread to justify your enjoyment of Wolverine.

 

[night0205]

Fox's philosphy in the last 10 years on how to make movies, is not what I would say is a good philosophy. They think about money, and for some reason think quality does not equal money. I think Fox has not been very smart in the head lately, which is why there are so many Fox haters out there. I really can't blame anyone...the studio, I believe, has a wrong view of what the people want...but then again...they have the right view. No matter how much you and I hate 90 min, paper thin plotted movies...the people still go and see it, and Fox still makes plenty of money for them. Why make the movie longer to lose time spots, which costs more money, if they still make a profit. Blame the people, only recently with Iron Man and TDK does Fox actually realize a good, normal lengthed movie will make money...however Wolverine is only 106...so...? I would never do business with Fox if I was in the business.

 

[Theweepeople]

The majority of those movies you liked from Fox were before 10 years ago though Nell, I love a lot of Fox movies as well, but very few of them are from the last 10 years, which is when most of their poor output has been produced..

Same here. There's plenty of sci-fi/action Fox movies I've enjoyed in the past:

Star Wars 4, Alien, Aliens, The Abyss, Die Hard 1,2,3, The Fly, Predator, Speed, Fight Club.

In the past 10 years they've only made a few movies of these genres that I've enjoyed:

X1, X2, I-Robot, and Minority Report(No studio can control Steven Speilberg).

I didn't dislike Alien 3, Alien4, Speed 2, Independence Day, Planet of the Apes, Daredevil, Elektra, Predator 2, The Fly 2, Fantastic Four, Behind Enemy Lines, LXG, AVP1, and The Thin Red Line simply because they were made by Fox. I thought all of these movies were bad before my agenda started against Fox during the summer of 2006.

 

[Theweepeople]

Fox's philosphy in the last 10 years on how to make movies, is not what I would say is a good philosophy. They think about money, and for some reason think quality does not equal money. I think Fox has not been very smart in the head lately, which is why there are so many Fox haters out there. I really can't blame anyone...the studio, I believe, has a wrong view of what the people want...but then again...they have the right view. No matter how much you and I hate 90 min, paper thin plotted movies...the people still go and see it, and Fox still makes plenty of money for them. Why make the movie longer to lose time spots, which costs more money, if they still make a profit. Blame the people, only recently with Iron Man and TDK does Fox actually realize a good, normal lengthed movie will make money...however Wolverine is only 106...so...? I would never do business with Fox if I was in the business.

Fox's boxoffice profit percentages from last year suggests their methods of making any movies may not work anymore. 2008 was the worst year they've had in a decade and only two of their movies grossed over 100million domestically. They aren't off to a good start in 2009 either. They lossed somewhere in the range of 50 to 55million on Street Fighter. Dragonball made only 2million yesterday with an estimated budget range of 45 to 120million. Whatever the budget is that movie won't come close to making it's money back.

 

[chaseter]

Well Ace is once again knocking other movies to defend this one.........................................................................................

 

[xwolverine2]

how long is this movie?

 

[FaT_tONle]

At least ten minutes under two hours with credit.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I guess some who read this would think that you had ridiculously high expectations for these films. Others would suggest that you should have switched off your brain and be entertained. I'm merely using some of the reasoning you used in another thread to justify your enjoyment of Wolverine.

Na not "ridiculously high expectations". I just don't like crap films. Transformers was crap. The ONLY thing good about that film was the actual robots. **** acting, appalling script, appalling story. Seriously, Transformers was a good enjoyable brain dead action film. But the performances from the actual actors REALLY put me off it.

Nearly every single ****ing performance from actual actors in that film was beyond crap. Optimus Prime was the better actor in that load of garbage.

Wolverine doesn't suffer that. Nearly every single performance in Wolverine is great. Apart from the obvious exceptions. That's why I rate it pretty highly. Sure it's a action fest, but it has some things to think about(well I think it does and I have explained those things before, but I can't now because I'll get banned ) and it has some brilliant performances.

So basically, I don't understand how anyone can rate films like Transformers above this.

And Pirates of the Caribbean? To be fair I liked the first one, but from then on they just got too long and too long winded and convoluted. IMO the main reason the second and third films did well was solely because of Jonny Depp. And maybe Bill Nighey.

 

[night0205]

Ace I agree with you about Transformers...it was just...not that great, beyond seeing some cool robots go at each other...
I have learned to love Pirates, even though i agree with you, the first one is great, but Pirates 2 & 3 are like the Sistene Chapel compared to Matrix 2 & 3. I agree Pirates 2 & 3 lost it's wind, but it's still entertaining . Who doesn't like pirates goin around doin stupid stuff? Am I right? HA HA...anyways Wolverine is better then Transformers....

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well Ace is once again knocking other movies to defend this one.........................................................................................

What do you mean once again? That's the first time I've mentioned other movies. Apart from when I say this movie is better than the FFs, Elektra and co.

 

[TNC9852002]

Transformers is a high profile movie, so, in perspective, the movie wasn't great, but that still doesn't make it nearly as bad as what people think. It gave you what you wanted in the end and that's all. When people say it's "crap" and the next guy goes to see Street Fighter and says that was "crap", how can you tell the difference in quality in just words? You really can't.

TF has such high production value and entertaining action pieces that you can't knock it down too much for being an otherwise silly movie (what else could you do with such a story?). It's exactly the same with POTC and Matrix. High profile movies are placed at such high pedestals where their few faults are outshining the rest of what's a remarkable achievement in many other areas suchs sound, effects, editing, costume, cinematography...etc. [/rant]

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I thought that Transformers was amazing. One of my favorite films. I can't tell you how many times I geeked out at that movie.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I'm not really saying Transformers is crap. I have sat down many times and enjoyed watching it, for what it is. A over the top action romp. That.is.it. Seriously, the acting in it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poor. Words can't even begin to explain how poor i think the acting from every single person in that film is. Even Jon Voight who i am a fan of was crap. Too many cliches, stupid story. Wolverine pisses all over Transformers IMO, and I haven't even seen the finished cut yet.

That's what sets this film apart from the likes of Transformers for me. Sure it is a action fest, but it has some truly terrific performances in it. Even some of the smaller roles like Wade, Wraith and Blob were great performances. Never thought i'd say that about Will.i.am.

And I don't care what anyone says, there was some thought provoking stuff in Wolverine. Not a lot, but there was enough to set it apart from other brainless action fests.

 

[night0205]

I hate Titanic...why? Because it has made more domestically then any other movie, and it won 11 academy awards. If Titanic was just seen as a good movie...I wouldn't hate Titanic. I actually might like it. I don't believe it is as "AMAZING" as it gets credit for. I have nothing against the production of Transformers...it has some amazing CGI, which is what I think Michael Bay was focusing on The story is where me personally thinks it lacks quality. Which is what a lot of people are thinking about Wolverine, which is perfectly fine, but I would suggest you see the finished version before you crucify it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well I'm not really saying Transformers is crap. I have sat down many times and enjoyed watching it, for what it is. A over the top action romp. That.is.it.

You're right. That is it.

It's a bunch of robots based on a line of action figures in the 80's duking it out for 2 hours.

It's not deep, thought provoking stuff here.

It's just full of all sorts of win.