The Run Time Length Thread

[chaseter]

OMG.............................................................................................................................................................................

 

[hero79]

Why is your avatar a picture of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine then?

X3 was far from atrocious, it just wasn't made to please the fans of the source material (you).

It was aimed at general audiences who don't even know who Chris Claremont is or what The Phoenix Saga was.

General audiences pay the bills (TDK), source material fans don't (Watchmen).

So what if he has a avatar of Wolverine and doesn't like the movie. He has a right to his opinion, yes?

 

[Chewy]

Why is your avatar a picture of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine then?

X3 was far from atrocious, it just wasn't made to please the fans of the source material (you).

It was aimed at general audiences who don't even know who Chris Claremont is or what The Phoenix Saga was.

General audiences pay the bills (TDK), source material fans don't (Watchmen).

Staying true to the source material was the least of X3's problems.... the first two X-Men films didn't stay true to it either. It's about respecting the source material, not necessarily staying true to it, and making a coherent movie.

There's a reason Iron Man made almost $100M more than X3 despite have a slightly smaller opening weekend

 

[EnDz0n3]

Why did you rate the leak?

Why do you refute posts of posters that have legitimate complaints about a movie that you have not seen yet? What is the point?

Hahaha I'm sorry but this just cracked me up.

I really don't think you're gonna get an answer out of McCabe, man.

 

[hero79]

Staying true to the source material was the least of X3's problems.... the first two X-Men films didn't stay true to it either. It's about respecting the source material, not necessarily staying true to it, and making a coherent movie.

There's a reason Iron Man made almost $100M more than X3 despite have a slightly smaller opening weekend

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Staying true to the source material was the least of X3's problems.... the first two X-Men films didn't stay true to it either. It's about respecting the source material, not necessarily staying true to it, and making a coherent movie.

X3 was coherent. It didn't need to "respect" anything. Its an adaptation of a comic book, not a Watchmen approach to The Phoenix Saga.

It wasn't TDK, but it was a great action movie.

$234 Million Americans went to see it. That's $20 Million more than X2.

$111 Million went to see it after opening weekend. Weak legs or not, that's still alot of money.

There's a reason Iron Man made almost $100M more than X3 despite have a slightly smaller opening weekend

You can say IRON MAN was a better movie, but you can't say that its $318 Million gross had to do with quality over hype.

IRON MAN had a great marketing campaign, and it was light enough to cater to kids as well as adults and comic book fans. It was a package deal.

X3 was dark and really only appealed to teenagers.

I'm pretty sure a large percentage of IRON MAN's money came from kids under 10 - there's your reason.

 

[Chewy]

X3 was dark

"Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, *****!"
"Storm, don't get your panties in a bunch"
*kicks guy in balls* "Grow those back"

yeah, real "dark"

 

[chaseter]

It as night time in that one scene!

 

[chaseter]

Hahaha I'm sorry but this just cracked me up.

I really don't think you're gonna get an answer out of McCabe, man.

Nope

 

[EnDz0n3]

Nope

LOL. I don't think he likes to admit when he's wrong. Wouldn't blame him tho. It just looks very hypocritical, IMO

X3 was coherent. It didn't need to "respect" anything.

Actually it needed to respect the movie that came before it. In the movie that came before it, namely X2, Jean Grey "made a choice" she chose Scott. Rogue became more comfortable in her own skin, doing the superhero thing. From the first movie, if there was one X-man that would be the second in line to Xavier, it would have been Scott.

Its an adaptation of a comic book, not a Watchmen approach to The Phoenix Saga.

It wasn't TDK, but it was a great action movie.

$234 Million Americans went to see it.

That's a lot of Americans!

That's $20 Million more than X2.

One could argue that that $20 Million came from that first weekend $85 Mil. vs. $102 Mil.) where those looking forward to the follow-up for X2 were anticipating the movie would be atleast on par with it in quality.

But really when one factors in the budget between the 2 movies, there's really no arguing which movie made more money

 

[Peter McCabe]

"Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, *****!"
"Storm, don't get your panties in a bunch"
*kicks guy in balls* "Grow those back"

yeah, real "dark"

Yeah, real funny.

-The movie opens with a young boy scraping off the feathers growing out of his back with a bloodied piece of metal.

-After 30 minutes, Jean Grey comes back from the dead in a very eerie way to make out with her estranged boyfriend who she kills immediately after.

-Jean makes out with Logan shortly after she kills Scott, removes his belt and then smashes him into a wall when he rejects her.

-Jean atomizes Xavier to death slowly (most powerful moment of the film).

-Wolverine goes into the woods and kills 7 mutants.

-Jean atomizes an entire Battalion of soldiers in Alcatraz and then attempts to atomize Wolverine before he stabs her in the torso.

*So yeah, 2 major characters dead, soldiers atomized, people making out in a horizontal position, Schizophrenic behavior...

I'm sure alot of 10-year-olds just LOVE stuff like that

 

[Deaths Head II]

X3 had some dark scenes, but the whole film had a very immature feel to it. At least from my perspective. Stuff like them inserting an internet meme in a scene for no reason and Wolverine kicking the guy in the nuts only highlighted that.

Stuff like that just make me realize how much I really disliked that film.

 

[Rac]

Wait, is that now official? Does that include credits?

Yup

 

[Chewy]

I'm sure alot of 10-year-olds just LOVE stuff like that

As opposed to terrorists kidnapping a man and threatening to stick a heated iron rod in his friend's mouth, which is 10-year-old's cup o' tea

A few "darK" scenes doesn't make a movie dark. If it did, Iron Man would have to be considered dark. Wolverine may have killed 7 mutants in the woods, but Iron Man killed a **** load of terrorists. Wolverine may have "made out in a horizontal position" (what shocking, dark, behavior!) but Iron Man banged that reporter. And Wolverine may have stabbed Jean in the torso, but the bad guy in Iron Man exploded.

In no way is Iron Man more geared towards kids than X3.

 

[Peter McCabe]

LOL. I don't think he likes to admit when he's wrong. Wouldn't blame him tho. It just looks very hypocritical, IMO

Thanks alot.

Actually it needed to respect the movie that came before it. In the movie that came before it, namely X2, Jean Grey "made a choice" she chose Scott.

So what? How does that change anything about her behavior in the film at all?

It doesn't.

Scott was gonna die one way or another. Jean wasn't gonna allow the man who claimed to love her yet kept her "under control" to live.

Rogue became more comfortable in her own skin, doing the superhero thing.

No, not at all. She was tired of not being able to touch anyone. She didn't act heroic at all in X2, she just shut down Pyro because he was getting out of hand. That didn't mean she was now suddenly going to embrace the one thing she hated about herself.

From the first movie, if there was one X-man that would be the second in line to Xavier, it would have been Scott.

Oh brother.

"Second in line."

GET OVER the source material.

X1 and X2 were WOLVERINE movies. Wolverine was the main man, not Scott.

Scott was only there to get mocked by Wolverine. That's the Bryan Singer way of handling Cyclops.

But really when one factors in the budget between the 2 movies, there's really no arguing which movie made more money

OMG.

Wishfult thinking is not a fact in the books

X3 made more money.

That's a fact.

 

[Rac]

X3 made more money.

That's a fact.

Only because people liked the first two movies.

 

[Nathan]

Only because people liked the first two movies.

X1 was good, X2 even better, went to see X3 on opening day, left theater complaining.

Yes, X3 made money, but he always seems to ignore the fact that it had two films before it that helped to build a solid movie fanbase.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Thanks alot.

And yet again you still haven't told us how you could have rated the leaked film a 10 when by your accounts, you've only seen 5 mins or so.

So what? How does that change anything about her behavior in the film at all?

It doesn't.

So what you say? So it means it did not respect the events of the previous film is what im saying.

Scott was gonna die one way or another. Jean wasn't gonna allow the man who claimed to love her yet kept her "under control" to live.

You only came to that conclusion because the story told you so. I'm willing to bet that had Jean not said so, it never would have crossed your mind that "Scott was gonna die one way or another"

No, not at all. She was tired of not being able to touch anyone. She didn't act heroic at all in X2, she just shut down Pyro because he was getting out of hand. That didn't mean she was now suddenly going to embrace the one thing she hated about herself.

She stood with the rest of the X-men at the end of X2 looking ready to take up the responsibility of being a hero. Apparently her first act of heroism would be to act as a coward and get "cured".

Oh brother.

"Second in line."

GET OVER the source material.

X1 and X2 were WOLVERINE movies. Wolverine was the main man, not Scott.

Scott was only there to get mocked by Wolverine. That's the Bryan Singer way of handling Cyclops.

pssssttt...i was talking about Storm taking the reigns of the mansion over Scott.

OMG.

Wishfult thinking is not a fact in the books

X3 made more money.

That's a fact.

The budget for X3, according to boxofficemojo is $210 mil. X2's was $110. With X3's domestic haul being $234 and X2's 214, im not really sure where you're pulling the supposed fact that "X3 made more money" from.

That or this is one of your opinions that you're telling everyone is fact. That seems to be your schtick.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Double post.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Scott was gonna die one way or another. Jean wasn't gonna allow the man who claimed to love her yet kept her "under control" to live.

Am I missing something? Nothing in the story suggested Scott knew about what Professor X did to Jean.

 

[Spidey 2007]

Why is your avatar a picture of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine then?

X3 was far from atrocious, it just wasn't made to please the fans of the source material (you).

It was aimed at general audiences who don't even know who Chris Claremont is or what The Phoenix Saga was.

General audiences pay the bills (TDK), source material fans don't (Watchmen).

LOL, no no.. i know i know mate. I generally LIKE X3.. but its a very heavy love hate relationship... But im smart enough to look at it from a general point of view and still enjoy it.

But yea I only find it atrocious because of how much potential it completely wasted haha... Its genuinly dissapointing... I really dont mind deviation from the comic roots, or complete alterations of characters to screen... Just wish it was actually done well ha...

But anyway, back to wolvie, lol. Which in fact, will be better than X3 at least.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I know it's off topic but I just wanna point this out about X3.

I reckon Scott's death was necessary to the story. Scott appealed to Jean, the Phoenix side of her personality didn't like that. She didn't wanna end up caged in the weaklings mind again. So she killed the man that could possibly bring Jean back.

As for Logan? Well obviously he appealed to the Phoenix side of her personality.

 

[Spidey 2007]

I know it's off topic but I just wanna point this out about X3.

I reckon Scott's death was necessary to the story. Scott appealed to Jean, the Phoenix side of her personality didn't like that. She didn't wanna end up caged in the weaklings mind again. So she killed the man that could possibly bring Jean back.

As for Logan? Well obviously he appealed to the Phoenix side of her personality.

And thats cool.... Just wish there wer'nt so many other things wrong with this movie hah. The effects of wolverine coming thru the smoke when thrown by colossus still makes me cringe till my teeth fall out lol

anyshway

 

[Peter McCabe]

I know it's off topic but I just wanna point this out about X3.

I reckon Scott's death was necessary to the story. Scott appealed to Jean, the Phoenix side of her personality didn't like that. She didn't wanna end up caged in the weaklings mind again. So she killed the man that could possibly bring Jean back.

As for Logan? Well obviously he appealed to the Phoenix side of her personality.

Exactly

X1 and X2 actually have a ton of clues as to why The Phoenix would resent Scott more than anyone, the guy was even finishing her sentences in X1

Xavier was the cager, but Scott was the tamer.

They both had to go.

Wolverine represented passion and freedom, but once she saw he'd been tamed, he was now just another disposable human being.

*She didn't count on the adamantium though

 

[Nathan]

Screw the adamantium, she should have vaporized all of his flesh. But of course his healing factor kicked into overdrive in the last scene.