The Run Time Length Thread

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Pete, I'm a huge Hugh Jackman fan and James Marsden is incredibly popular and has tons of fans too - he's definitely had much more box office success in films past X-Men and has even more with musical films (Hairspray, Enchanted).

And he deserves it, he's wonderfully talented and certainly just as good looking.

I'm not knocking Marsden, but most of his films he's been a secondary, supporting player.

Hugh Jackman is the headliner. Period.

You make James Marsden a headliner, and the film will not have the same draw as Jackman, period.

I like James, I really do. He played Cyclops brilliantly (for what he had to work with), and a couple other things I've seen him in (mainly, The Notebook) he performed well.

But he's not a headliner.

 

[BMM]

Pete, I'm a huge Hugh Jackman fan and James Marsden is incredibly popular and has tons of fans too - he's definitely had much more box office success in films past X-Men and has even more with musical films (Hairspray, Enchanted).

And he deserves it, he's wonderfully talented and certainly just as good looking.

Marsden's films have enjoyed more success than any one of his castmates' since X-Men: The Last Stand.

Funny enough, I knew who James Marsden was before I knew who Hugh Jackman was.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Marsden's films have enjoyed more success than any one of his castmates' since X-Men: The Last Stand.

Funny enough, I knew who James Marsden was before I knew who Hugh Jackman was.

Marsden was also in a Superman film (one of the most famous CHARACTERS of all time), a Disney film, and a movie with John Travolta.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Marsden's films have enjoyed more success than any one of his castmates' since X-Men: The Last Stand.

Funny enough, I knew who James Marsden was before I knew who Hugh Jackman was.

The only thing I had seen him in before X-MEN was Gossip with Kate Hudson and Disturbing Behavior with Katie Holmes.

He's just not a leading man.

He's a supporting actor.

Last year's Sex Drive was really funny, but once again - supporting role.

*Marsden may have gotten himself a role in Enchanted, but that doesn't even begin to compare to what Hugh Jackman went on to become after X3.

The $20 Million salary for Wolverine says it all

 

[BMM]

Marsden was also in a Superman film (one of the most famous CHARACTERS of all time), a Disney film, and a movie with John Travolta.

Right. He’s being offered good roles in good movies that are outperforming those of his fellow castmates. I’m not suggesting that he has to be a headliner or rely on name recognition. Besides, it’s not like the name recognition of his castmates in their respective films is exactly lighting up the box office either.

 

[chaseter]

I cannot believe this thread has turned into a who is more famous debate....

 

[Sam Fisher]

I cannot believe this thread has turned into a who is more famous debate....

Eh, not like this thread has stayed on topic anyway.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Right. He’s being offered good roles in good movies that are outperforming those of his fellow castmates. I’m not suggesting that he has to be a headliner or rely on name recognition. Besides, it’s not like the name recognition of his castmates in their respective films is exactly lighting up the box office either.

The point is, people are sitting here acting like Marsden has had more success as an actor than Jackman. That is not true.

Jackman is the more successful actor. He's the leading man, headliner, that gets the big roles. Marsden doesn't.

Marsden may get roles in some pretty choice films, but those movies aren't successful because of him. They are successful because of the people around him. I.E. Disney, John Travolta, or the "Superman" trademark

 

[BMM]

I cannot believe this thread has turned into a who is more famous debate....

I don't think it's really a debate. Hugh Jackman's more famous. Besides, given the nature of this forum, there are worse things this thread could have turned into.

 

[chaseter]

It's fine that you made that point by stating your opinion but I can't believe people argued that point. Oh well

 

[danoyse]

Right. He’s being offered good roles in good movies that are outperforming those of his fellow castmates. I’m not suggesting that he has to be a headliner or rely on name recognition. Besides, it’s not like the name recognition of his castmates in their respective films is exactly lighting up the box office either.

Exactly. Hugh's done some really good films since X3, but unfortunately they haven't been nearly as successful. I'm hoping that hosting job at the Oscars opens up some more film roles for him. I've seen him on stage, the guy's just ridiculously talented.

Marsden's had more successful films, but that's not to take anything away from him as a performer - he stole the show in Enchanted.

 

[danoyse]

It's fine that you made that point by stating your opinion but I can't believe people argued that point. Oh well

You're really surprised by the things people argue about on here?

 

[Peter McCabe]

I don't think it's really a debate. Hugh Jackman's more famous. Besides, given the nature of this forum, there are worse things this thread could have turned into.

Agreed, its not really a debate.

*Ironically there are still people who believe Marsden could have carried X3 on his own [as his character does in the books].

I am not one of those people.

 

[chaseter]

You're really surprised by the things people argue about on here?

I am surprised that it continues despite your plentiful warnings. I like Hugh and Marsden so does it really matter who is more succesful???

 

[EnDz0n3]

Agreed, its not really a debate.

*Ironically there are still people who believe Marsden could have carried X3 on his own [as his character does in the books].

I am not one of those people.

Whoever said we wanted Cyclops/Marsden to carry the movie on his own?

 

[JP]

Exactly. Hugh's done some really good films since X3, but unfortunately they haven't been nearly as successful. I'm hoping that hosting job at the Oscars opens up some more film roles for him. I've seen him on stage, the guy's just ridiculously talented.

Marsden's had more successful films, but that's not to take anything away from him as a performer - he stole the show in Enchanted.

He stole the show in Sex Drive and Hairspray as well.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Whoever said we wanted Cyclops/Marsden to carry the movie on his own?

People have been complaining for centuries about how Wolverine basically replaced Cyclops in X3.

To complain about that is to suggest they would have preferred Marsden to lead the film instead of Jackman - which I find hilarious.

Bryan Singer never intended to give Cyclops the presence/position that he had in early X-Men comics.

Singer did it the Claremont way, by putting Wolverine front and center.

Singer's X3 may have been completely different than Vaughn's or Ratner's, but it still woulda been a Hugh Jackman Wolverine movie.

*This is going to be the problem with X-Men: First Class and Magneto.

The general audiences might not dig an X-Men movie without Wolverine

 

[Figs]

Whoever said we wanted Cyclops/Marsden to carry the movie on his own?

No one did. He's assuming once again. Much like another poster, who claims ALL the non comic readers liked X-3 and the only reason comic fans didn't was because they killed a few main characters...which couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[Nathan]

I definitely wouldn't prefer switched roles and have Cyclops in front and center instead of Wolverine. But the screentime should be equally shared. The X-Men have many members and I feel everyone is important. It's not just Cyclops that I'm unhappy about. Rogue and Colossus also barely had anything to do.

We have Rogue only taking part in the Danger Room, then getting jealous and deciding to take the cure. And Colossus, after seeing him in X2, I was so looking forward to seeing him in an extended role in X3. First, his metal form looked horrendous compared to X2. And second, he had even less lines than in his X2 cameo role.

 

[BMM]

The point is, people are sitting here acting like Marsden has had more success as an actor than Jackman. That is not true.

There is TheVileOne and myself, and neither of us has stated that James Marsden has had more success as an actor than Hugh Jackman.

Marsden may get roles in some pretty choice films, but those movies aren't successful because of him. They are successful because of the people around him. I.E. Disney, John Travolta, or the "Superman" trademark

The same can be said for any actor.

Exactly. Hugh's done some really good films since X3, but unfortunately they haven't been nearly as successful. I'm hoping that hosting job at the Oscars opens up some more film roles for him. I've seen him on stage, the guy's just ridiculously talented.

I absolutely agree.

It's fine that you made that point by stating your opinion but I can't believe people argued that point. Oh well

I don't think anyone really argued that point.

Agreed, its not really a debate.

*Ironically there are still people who believe Marsden could have carried X3 on his own [as his character does in the books].

I am not one of those people.

I don't believe anyone wanted Marsden to carry X-Men 3 on his own, as that isn't the point of The Dark Phoenix Saga.

 

[chaseter]

I definitely wouldn't prefer switched roles and have Cyclops in front and center instead of Wolverine. But the screentime should be equally shared. The X-Men have many members and I feel everyone is important. It's not just Cyclops that I'm unhappy about. Rogue and Colossus also barely had anything to do.

We have Rogue only taking part in the Danger Room, then getting jealous and deciding to take the cure. And Colossus, after seeing him in X2, I was so looking forward to seeing him in an extended role in X3. First, his metal form looked horrendous compared to X2. And second, he had even less lines than in his X2 cameo role.

It not only went back on the character, but I don't understand why Rogue took the cure so she could be with Bobby physically but then never comes back That is like me changing something about me so that I could be with someone I loved but then never going back to them.

This thread needs to be renamed The Runtime and such Thread!

 

[Peter McCabe]

I definitely wouldn't prefer switched roles and have Cyclops in front and center instead of Wolverine.

Agreed.

But the screentime should be equally shared.

Dissagreed. Jackman is the face of the franchise, so he needs to have the most to do. He carries the films.

Plus equal screentime for ALL the mutants in X3 would require a 5 hour movie.

The X-Men have many members and I feel everyone is important.

Yes and no. Some have actual story arcs that require them to have more screen time - Rogue in X1, Magneto and Xavier, Jean in X3, etc.

Some don't really warrant alot of time - Callisto, Kitty Pryde, Colossus, etc.

It's not just Cyclops that I'm unhappy about. Rogue and Colossus also barely had anything to do.

We have Rogue only taking part in the Danger Room, then getting jealous and deciding to take the cure.

I can totally sympathize with her decision. Since X1 she'd been looking for a way out. In X2 she kinda said "Fine, this is what I HAVE to be." In X3, Bobby's distant behavior and obvious attraction for Kitty broke the camel's back for Rogue's rejection of her powers. She saw a way out in the cure and took it. For Bobby. She is a teenager.

And Colossus, after seeing him in X2 I was so looking forward to seeing him in an extended role in X3. First, his metal form looked horrendous compared to X2. And second, he had even less lines than in his X2 cameo role.

Agreed. Colossus sucked. But then again the only thing you can do with Colossus is get him into a fight. The Epic Juggernaut vs. Colossus shoulda been shot and fit into the climax somehow. Oh well.

 

[JP]

And WHY is Jackman the 'face' of the franchise?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It not only went back on the character, but I don't understand why Rogue took the cure so she could be with Bobby physically but then never comes back That is like me changing something about me so that I could be with someone I loved but then never going back to them.

This thread needs to be renamed The Runtime and such Thread!

Yes, that was a big cock up.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And WHY is Jackman the 'face' of the franchise?

Because Wolverine is.