The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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^ I probably would have said the same thing if I read a spoiler, instead of seeing it happen with my own too eyes... What happened was pretty friggin' shocking, but I'm adjusting.

I have mix feelings but like you, I'm adjusting. I kinda wish there was more of Derek but...what the feck do I know? I'm not one of them (writers).

I'm still not over Charlie though... I wish there was at least one scene where Sarah pulls him out of the water and makes her peace with him before she buries his body...somewhere.
 
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I'm still not over Charlie though... I wish there was at least one scene where Sarah pulls him out of the water and makes her peace with him before she buries his body...somewhere.

I bet a lot of people feel that way about the ones they've lost, but that's life and death for ya.
 
^ I probably would have said the same thing if I read a spoiler, instead of seeing it happen with my own too eyes... What happened was pretty friggin' shocking, but I'm adjusting.

I bet a lot of people feel that way about the ones they've lost, but that's life and death for ya.


yeah...but I'd like to know if:

A) She leaves the body in the water...or

B) Buries his body after pulling him out of the water...or

C) The hell with it...lets move on and forget he even existed.
 
yeah...but I'd like to know if:

A) She leaves the body in the water...or

B) Buries his body after pulling him out of the water...or

C) The hell with it...lets move on and forget he even existed.

She probably did something respectful with it. I felt there was enough emotional fallout afterwards that a burial scene wasn't needed. Plus, she needed to find John, and then after that they had to save Savannah. These people haven't really had time to come to grips with the recent casualties of war, but there have been moments where you can tell they're on the verge of breaking down. Like when Sarah is telling Ellison about Derek, she pauses for a very long time, obviously fighting back something. Then Ellison's reaction to Charlie, you can tell that he was quite shocked and sad about his death.
 
And online petition will not save this show. Hulu views and DVR ratings might, but not a petition. A petition is nothing but a piece of paper, and to the people in charge it means nothing.
 
Open up a tab for Hulu and stream Sarah Connor Chronicles on every single device you can get your hands on that supports a web browser. I do this on my desktop, laptop and PS3. Also, I've asked every single member of my family, and all my friends to do the same. 3 people all together. I'm doing my part. Are you?
 
Someone might use it for a paper football if an intern or PA bothers to print it out.....DVR numbers are noted by tv channels, but they really don't count for anything
 
Yes...nielsen does note DVR viewings and report those....but the networks don't use DVR viewings as a factor in deciding whether to keep a show or not
 
Jericho was one of the most DVRd shows on CBS and lasted 1 full season....Arrested Development was DVRd and TIVOd like crazy...by your thinking, it should still be on...

Networks make a bulk of their revenue on ad dollars....people don't watch ads when they DVR/Tivo their shows because they fast forward through....
 
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Fox Leaning Toward 'Dollhouse' Renewal
But news not so good for 'Sarah Connor'

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Apr-05-2009
Source: Airlock Alpha


The Fox network is just a step away from shaking up its Friday lineup for the 2009-10 season, canning one show and considering a move to a new night for a second.

Let's hit the good news first. Airlock Alpha has learned that Fox is looking to give its struggling "Dollhouse" a second season, to see if it can grow some legs on a new night. Fox had originally intended "Dollhouse" to air Mondays with "24," but Fox instead decided to move "House" to that spot to replace "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles," and to create sort of a genre theme night on Fridays.

The audience for "Dollhouse" are not exactly where Fox had hoped they would be, however, critical reaction to later episodes following its February premiere has grown more positive toward the series as it has had the chance to flesh itself out. Showrunner Joss Whedon had said ahead of its premiere that he had gone back to retool certain aspects of the show, including using a new premiere episode than what was originally planned, eventually canning what would have been the premiere.

The move seems to be an easy one for Fox. While the audience hasn't been as large as expected, it has instead remained stable. It's not a number that Fox uses, but "Dollhouse" carries a BlipNetwork Stability Index Rating of 92.0, better than every other network genre show currently on television outside of "Reaper" on The CW, which has a 94.7. A Stability Index Rating is the comparison of the show's highest overnight rating and its average overnight rating to see how much of its overall audience a show has retained.

Other factors in favor of the show continuing is that it's not as expensive as other Fox shows. Much of its upfront costs, including the construction of the elaborate set that is the dollhouse itself, were covered by funds that normally would've paid for a pilot (no pilot was made for "Dollhouse"). Also, while Whedon's Mutant Enemy Productions and star Eliza Dushku's Boston Diva Productions are tied to the series, 20th Century Fox Television is still the primary production company involved, which means its licensing fee is not as steep as it would be if the show was produced by another studio.

That, along with ratings, is one of the aspects killing "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." That show is set to end its second season April 10 after a 22-episode run, but its sophomore season has been nothing but a complete struggle.

After a so-so debut on Mondays and never finding its grip after that with audiences, Fox teetered on canceling the show until surprisingly deciding to give it a full-season pickup and moving it to Fridays as a lead-in to "Dollhouse." Rumors were that Warner Bros. Television, which produces the show, slashed its licensing fee to prompt a pickup as a way to help it promote its upcoming "Terminator: Salvation," which premieres May 21.

Once "Salvation" premieres, it seems Warner Bros. will have little use to keep "Sarah Connor" on the air, and likely will not continue to provide a licensing fee discount for a third season. That almost assuredly will allow Fox to make the move it normally would've done before New Year's, and that's cancel the show.

Last year, "Sarah Connor" had the worst Stability Index Rating of all network genre shows, mostly from its inflated series premiere following the National Football League playoffs. This year, it's Stability Index Rating is stronger, but out of 14 network genre show tracked by Airlock Alpha this season, "Sarah Connor" is ranked 13th. Only "Life On Mars" had a worse Stability Index Rating, mostly from its freefall following its move from Thursdays against "Eleventh Hour" to Wednesdays following "Lost."

Of course, none of this has been confirmed by Fox, so it should be treated as any rumor would, meaning information can change, or could even be wrong.


"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" airs Fridays at 8 p.m. ET on Fox. "Dollhouse" airs Fridays at 9 p.m. ET on Fox.
 
That kind of reeks of BS to me. This past week, TSCC actually got better ratings than Dollhouse, and it's been on for 2 seasons while Dollhouse is brand new. I don't want either show to get cancelled, but if they're going to renew only one, they should renew the one that's shown itself to have both longevity and a very loyal viewer base. I stopped paying attention to cancellation rumors a long time ago, and here's why:

For season 2: Fox won't renew the show, there was a ratings drop off!
For the back 9: Order the back 9, there was a ratings drop off!
For season 3: Fox won't renew the show, there was a ratings drop off!

The show is resilient, and aside from a few misfire episodes, the only thing that is really hurting it ATM is the Friday time slot. If the show was on a better night, they'd be getting about 4-5 million live viewers a week. Add to that the fact that the show is not very expensive, the fact that advertisers love it, and the fact that the upcoming movie is likely to renew a lot of interest in the Terminator franchise, and I'd say our chances at renewal are pretty decent. The show is having growing pains, sure, but a lot of shows do in their second season.
 
it might be a late renewal though.....here's hoping someone at Fox likes it enough to say "hey, lets keep it"
 
We had to wait a while for the announcement on season 2, as well. I honestly don't get why so many people act like just because the renewal hasn't been announced already means it's not going to happen.

Right now, I'd say that there's about a 68% chance that the show will be renewed by Fox. Not great odds, but still decent. I'd say there's about a 79% chance of the show will be picked up by another network if Fox passes on it. Ultimately it's Warner Bros. show, and they want to keep Terminator on the tips of everyone's tongues as much as they can. The fact that that article claims that the release of Terminator Salvation marks Warner Bros. no longer needing TSCC is ridiculous. That's like if they were saying Smallville would be cancelled because of Superman Returns, and that show is STILL running (it's quality has been pretty crappy since season 5, but that's not the point.) If WB wants to, they could very plausibly move it to the CW as a lead-in to Supernatural, and if for some reason they don't want to they could move it to a cable channel like USA or Scifi. The most likely scenario though, I think, will be that it stays with Fox for at least one more season.
 
I still don't get that thinking of it moving to another network....how many shows has that happened with?? SciFi has made it very clear they will NOT be the dumping ground for cancelled scifi shows....the CW is trying to be Lifetime Jr and Im sure they are ticked off that 'Supernatural' does as well as it is doing....look at how quickly they canned those "adult shows" on Sunday nights and basically abandoned Sunday all together....

USA doesn't need it.....

The last show I can think of that jumped networks and succeeded was JAG....it ran one season on NBC, got canned....CBS snatched it up and it ran for 7 seasons I think and spawned a spinoff that is still airing
 
As I've said before, there's no place for TSCC on the CW. To say nothing of the fact that I doubt the show would have the budget it's had on FOX if it moved to the CW.
 
The last show I can think of that jumped networks and succeeded was JAG....it ran one season on NBC, got canned....CBS snatched it up and it ran for 7 seasons I think and spawned a spinoff that is still airing

Baywatch became a worldwide phenomenon after moving to syndication from NBC, after they dumped it after one season.
 
I just realized something...i've been watching this show not because I greatly enjoy it...but because I'm hoping it'll improve. :P
 
It's a shame, 'cause I think this last episode has been one of the best of the season. I loved just about everything about it, and it'll be interesting to she how the finale plays out. You have to admit, we're at a pretty big defining moment for the series, what with Sarah's VERY PUBLIC arrest, not to mention Derek's abrupt death.
 
it might be a late renewal though.....here's hoping someone at Fox likes it enough to say "hey, lets keep it"

Yeah I don't think that they've made a rock solid decision yet. Not to mention TSCC's late season ratings shrinking can largely be attributed to moving the show to Friday.
 
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