The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[The Chris]

I feel like Christian Bale in Harsh Times right now.

 

[imaperson2]

what a ****** thing to wake up to

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

You guys got AIM??

 

[BlackLantern]

umm No....why would I have anything AOL related?? gross

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

umm No....why would I have anything AOL
related?? gross

So we can keep in touch...since this thread is gonna die once we stop bumping it.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

umm No....why would I have anything AOL related?? gross

Yeah I hate AOL too.

 

[BlackLantern]

So we can keep in touch...since this thread is gonna die once we stop bumping it.

Im on the Hype....you can PM me or find me in one of the threads I habitate in

 

[FCEEVIPER]

FOX execs talk 'Dollhouse' renewal, 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles' cancellation
The 'Dollhouse' renewal was a bet on Joss Whedon, Kevin Reilly explains

Monday, May 18, 2009
By Daniel Fienberg
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Although FOX's freshly minted schedule contains the usual assortment of shuffling, flopping and fresh programming, network executives faced a very familiar run of questions to start their Monday (May 18) morning conference call with reporters, questions regarding a pair of sci-fi dramas.

Journalists, it seems, wanted to know about the renewal of "Dollhouse" and, to a slightly lesser degree, about the cancellation of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles," both shows that did subpar ratings for the network this spring, but claim devoted fanbases.

FOX Entertainment President Kevin Reilly acknowledged that basic ratings for "Dollhouse," while fairly dismal, weren't the full reason for bringing the show back to its Friday night 9 p.m. ET home in the fall.

"First, it's a bet on creativity and that's something that never changed and I'm happy to say we're doing that. You know how inspired Joss Whedon is, it's a bet on Joss," Reilly said, noting that live viewership didn't necessarily tell the full "Dollhouse" story. "We feel our numbers are a marker for an audience that want to watch something... We did see a consistent uptick in the ratings for the live-seven. We did a 1.5 each week, consistently tuning up to a 2.0. That was a pattern for us that we liked, betting on Joss. I think you're gonna see it grow next season."

Reilly later added, "I'd venture to say that if we had put new shows on Friday night in particular, there'd probably be a lot of cynicism about 'Well wait, you're creating an entire new night of television?' Not to mention if we'd cancelled Joss' show, I'd probably have 110,000.000 emails this morning from fans.' So bet on something that has a core that you believe can work. It's better than taking a wild flier."

The show also appears to have a fan in Peter Rice, FOX's newly hired entertainment chairman, who comes from the feature world and Fox Searchlight.

"We think we can grow the show. The show became much stronger creatively during the course of the season," Rice told reporters. "Joss feels very energized about it and we believe in him as a creator. We had a lot of success in the past and we feel he can build the show and it can grow in a new season and that Friday is a good place for it to do it."

Jon Nesvig, FOX's president for sales, added another advantage to keeping FOX in the Friday business, saying, "Something that advertisers are pushing us for is to keep investing in scripted entertainment programming and the fact that we have a Friday night lineup of original scripted entertainment programming is great for our advertisers and it keeps us in that ballgame and we're investing in that product."

However, instead of pairing "Dollhouse" with "Terminator" again in a topically consistent Friday lineup, FOX will kick off the night with the new comedy "Brothers" and the returning comedy "'Til Death."

Of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles," which energized fans with a bang-up second season finale, Reilly offered no real hope of reprieve.

"'Terminator' has completed its run," he bottom-lined. "I think it had a nice little run. It was not an either/or. We did see it tailing off a bit. It had a nice creative core, but ultimately we made the bet on 'Dollhouse' for the night and felt we had some other show that would make a better profile for the night. So that's it for 'Terminator.'"

Asked if a blockbuster theatrical run for "Terminator Salvation" might retroactively save "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," Reilly reiterated the show's demise.

"We looked at the ratings track on Monday, where it had a pretty consistent run and then on Friday where it moved to and that trend line was then ultimately decided it," Reilly said. "But we make no apologies for that show. We had a huge launch for that show. We gave it a lot of support and some consistent scheduling. We tried and felt it was time to move on."

 

[Nightmare]

http://www.savethescc.com/

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

If Fox was so supportive of the show, why the hell did they fail to realize that the ratings for the show were gonna fall when they moved it to Friday nights? Seriously, how could they not realize that?

That's a FAIL on their part!!!

 

[Flash Facts]

As much as a enjoyed Whedon's past works I would have much rather have had another of season of TSCC than another season of Dollhouse.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Given that TSCC did have a huge launch and made it through two seasons, I'm inclined to agree with Reilly. TSCC got more than most Fox shows do, to be honest.

 

[Timstuff]

I'm not even gonna watch Dollhouse next season. I don't have anything against Joss Whedon (I've been a Browncoat for years), but I just can't bring myself to watch Fox anymore. Also, Dollhouse didn't interest me that much in the first place, and without TSCC as a lead-in I've got even less reason to watch.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm not even gonna watch Dollhouse next season. I don't have anything against Joss Whedon (I've been a Browncoat for years), but I just can't bring myself to watch Fox anymore. Also, Dollhouse didn't interest me that much in the first place, and without TSCC as a lead-in I've got even less reason to watch.

I never got into Dollhouse.

*sighs*

Oh well.

Here's a little something:

http://hadleyk.com/

 

[Timstuff]

["We looked at the ratings track on Monday, where it had a pretty consistent run and then on Friday where it moved to and that trend line was then ultimately decided it," Reilly said. "But we make no apologies for that show. We had a huge launch for that show. We gave it a lot of support and some consistent scheduling. We tried and felt it was time to move on."

So basically, the show was doing well on Monday, but then Fox effed it up by moving it to Friday, and rather than change their ways they decided to blame the show and cancel it. Way to go Fox, I've never felt more justified in my loathing of you!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that struck me as a bit silly. If it worked on Monday and floundered on Friday, why not even try moving it back to Monday?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yeah, that struck me as a bit silly. If it worked on Monday and floundered on Friday, why not even try moving it back to Monday?

Exactly.

That is why Fox fails to realize that moving it from Monday to Friday was a lame idea from the start and to the end. So who's fault is it really? Can I blame the show? No.

Fox is to blame for their stupidity.

In John Connor's words: They don't know anything!!

 

[kane9321]

wow...I'll watch family guy..but thats it, FU fox ...FU

 

[BlackLantern]

Fox tends to believe that if a show is good....viewers will follow....24, House, and Bones have all changed nights and their numbers have stayed consistent

 

[Timstuff]

Well, Fox thinks a lot of things that aren't necessarily accurate... TSCC's viewership was still there, but they were watching it through DVR. That's not good enough for Fox though, because rather than move the show back to a night where people can actually watch live, they just canceled it. And niether House or 24 had to deal with the Friday Slot of Death.

 

[Mister J]

It was floundering long before the move to Friday. The debut drew 18M; by the next week, it was down to 10M. The remaining 7 eps of Season 1 steadied around 8M. The Season 2 premiere was under 6.5M and the audience was never that high again, with the remaining 12 eps of that slate of 13 averaging about 5.3M, firmly placing it on the chopping block. There was a good amount of speculation in this very thread as to whether or not the full season order on Season 2 would even come through after we got a look at the ratings in early Fall 2008. That was all on Monday.

The last 9 episodes (on Friday) is where it finally bottomed out, all under 4M, going as low as 2.96M. Viewership steadily decreased throughout the run while the show was still on its original night. It's not as if the move killed what was a prospering show with a growing audience. It just put the nail in the coffin, as many of us thought. SCC was at risk long before the Death Slot placement.

 

[Timstuff]

I wish people would stop bringing up the fact that it had 18 million viewers on the pilot. It was right after the Superbowl, for cripes sake! Once the casual dipsticks realized "Oh, Arnie isn't in the TV show? LAME!" they tuned out, and eventually the show bottomed out at around 4.5 million viewers on Fridays, DVR numbers included. Fox ran it against Monday Night Football, never gave it a lead-in, and interfered by forcing Josh Friedman to introduce Riley earlier than he wanted and make more "Terminator of the Week" episodes. FOX mismanaged the show. It's like they never wanted the show to be successful. If they did, they would have given it American Idol as a lead in and let Josh do his thing instead of forcing Riley down our throats and making us sit through so many self-contained episodes!

 

[BlackLantern]

well the blow is cushioned with the news that some other shows I don't like at all are being cancelled (Eleventh Hour, possibly Without a Trace)

 

[Mister J]

The importance of the pilot numbers are negligible. My point was to counter this fanciful notion that somehow the show was doing well on Monday and the Friday move is what killed ratings. There was trouble in retaining an audience long before that.

 

[BlackLantern]

The importance of the pilot numbers are negligible. My point was to counter this fanciful notion that somehow the show was doing well on Monday and the Friday move is what killed ratings. There was trouble in retaining an audience long before that.

Agreed...I watch/DVR about 7 shows...reason being that I work from 11:30 - 8:00 and I usually am cooking dinner when I get home and in some cases I hit the bar before I get home...the only show I make a point of watching live is Supernatural, because it's been that good this year...every other shows gets recorded and I watch them in 3 or 4 episode chunks