The Sarah Palin Thread: 'Controversial Controversy' Edition

[Marx]

Yep....that criteria is why I can stomach either party....

Yeah...it's definitely unnerving when someone condemns a person of the opposing party while overlooking someone in the own party.

 

[Kelly]

and BTW, that should be can't....not can.

 

[Kelly]

and BTW, that should be can't....not can.

 

[Marx]

I knew what you meant.

 

[Marx]

JOHNSTON FILES 'LETTER OF INTENT' FOR WASILLA MAYORAL RACE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...etter-of-intent-to-run-for-office-in-wasilla/

 

[Wylie Times]

JOHNSTON FILES 'LETTER OF INTENT' FOR WASILLA MAYORAL RACE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...etter-of-intent-to-run-for-office-in-wasilla/

Go Levi Go!!

 

[Matt]

Can't this kid just accept that his fifteen minutes are over?

 

[Matt]

Mayor Verne Rupright responds to Johnston's letter of intent:

"Well, it is a little early to declare. Usually most wait until the year the seat is up. But since I am nearly old enough to be Levi's grandfather I think it would be wise for him to get a high school diploma and keep his clothes on. The voters like that!"

And apparently Johnston's manager stated he hoped to copy the rise of Sarah Palin from mayor of Wasilla to governor of Alaska, "creating a rural, Alaskan version of the Bush political dynasty."

Oh lord.

 

[TimBisley]

Nice smackdown by Mayor Rupright.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Mayor Verne Rupright responds to Johnston's letter of intent:





And apparently Johnston's manager stated he hoped to copy the rise of Sarah Palin from mayor of Wasilla to governor of Alaska, "creating a rural, Alaskan version of the Bush political dynasty."

Oh lord.

I dunno. In my experience the really conservative crowd isn't that concerned with formal education. most wear their anti intellectualism like a badge of honor. As long as you can wrap yourself in a flag and carry a Bible you're golden. Levi needs to have a come to Jesus moment like Bush had. Then he will be forgiven for all his past transgressions.

 

[Kelly]

I dunno. In my experience the really conservative crowd isn't that concerned with formal education. most wear their anti intellectualism like a badge of honor. As long as you can wrap yourself in a flag and carry a Bible you're golden. Levi needs to have a come to Jesus moment like Bush had. Then he will be forgiven for all his past transgressions.

your backhanded swipes at conservatives are getting tiring...

How about changing to showing all that is "right" about liberals....? Or at the least, balancing it out.

 

[TimBisley]

You "roll your eyes", but there are truth to his words. There is a bit of anti-intellectualism on the right, mostly because they associated education with the liberal elite. They revel in their ignorance. Not all of them, but a lot do. Enough to make it a relevant point of discussion. So you may find it "tiring" because you strive to be in the middle, or at least have extreme objectivity to the point that you almost sound like an apologist for the right. Every party sucks. If one group is horrible, well the other is horrible too. Because one side should never be attacked unfairly, even if its justified. When someone points out something bad about the right wing, they shouldnt have to also call out a dem just to make people like you happy.

 

[Kelly]

Honestly, depending on the discussion, I'll probably simply take the other side of the person I'm talking with.......its simply a habit. I do that in my classroom and sometimes it seeps into my conversations....

I'm very much a "but what if....." kind of person.....it makes for great discussion in my classroom....

BUT, sometimes pisses people off in everyday life, and here....simply depends on what thread I'm in....

I can definitely see where you and Hobo are coming from, but I have a very big, overwhelming disdain for generalizations, and that sometimes comes out stronger than anything else....

No apology making here, I just happen to converse with MANY liberals and conservatives on a daily basis, and NONE of them come across as anything but intelligent to me.....whether I agree or disagree with them.

 

[StorminNorman]

You "roll your eyes", but there are truth to his words. There is a bit of anti-intellectualism on the right, mostly because they associated education with the liberal elite. They revel in their ignorance. Not all of them, but a lot do. Enough to make it a relevant point of discussion. So you may find it "tiring" because you strive to be in the middle, or at least have extreme objectivity to the point that you almost sound like an apologist for the right. Every party sucks. If one group is horrible, well the other is horrible too. Because one side should never be attacked unfairly, even if its justified. When someone points out something bad about the right wing, they shouldnt have to also call out a dem just to make people like you happy.

There is a ton of anti-intellectualism on the left as well. Look at their views on Mises, Hayek, Rand, etc. The left doesn't like intellectuals who disagree with them, the right doesn't like intellectuals who disagree with them.

It's not a "right/left" thing - it's a partisan thing.

In fact the fact that socialism is still respected amongst academics demonstrates the low quality of intellectualism in academia.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Honestly, depending on the discussion, I'll probably simply take the other side of the person I'm talking with.......its simply a habit. I do that in my classroom and sometimes it seeps into my conversations....

I'm very much a "but what if....." kind of person.....it makes for great discussion in my classroom....

BUT, sometimes pisses people off in everyday life, and here....simply depends on what thread I'm in....

I can definitely see where you and Hobo are coming from, but I have a very big, overwhelming disdain for generalizations, and that sometimes comes out stronger than anything else....

No apology making here, I just happen to converse with MANY liberals and conservatives on a daily basis, and NONE of them come across as anything but intelligent to me.....whether I agree or disagree with them.

There's plenty of "balance" on these boards. No one is stopping anyone from commenting. as for generalizations I just have to go with what I hear the conservatives say is their positions. in general they're anti science and revisionist historians when it disagrees with their ideology or faith.

 

[StorminNorman]

And in general the left is anti-economics and have no need to revise history as they own the public schools.

After all, Woodrow Wilson WASN'T a fascist and the New Deal got us out of the Depression.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yes, you are correct.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

There is a ton of anti-intellectualism on the left as well. Look at their views on Mises, Hayek, Rand, etc. The left doesn't like intellectuals who disagree with them, the right doesn't like intellectuals who disagree with them.

It's not a "right/left" thing - it's a partisan thing.

In fact the fact that socialism is still respected amongst academics demonstrates the low quality of intellectualism in academia.

Socialism is vulnerable to slothfulness. Capitalism is vulnerable to greed. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. neither is perfect nor impossible to make work. and they are not mutually exclusive. you can have socialist type programs and core to a capitalist market economy.
If you can control those two deadly sins and keep them reigned in.

 

[StorminNorman]

Socialism is vulnerable to morality. It's vehemently immoral and the definition of inhumane. It is not up to the government to tell me that I have to sacrifice for anyone. I am an independent being.

Socialism is benign slavery. To accept socialism is to reject the Enlightenment and it's discovery of reason.

Most of the sins laid at the feet of slavery are actually the bastard spawn of socialism (or, more accurately, state capitalism - the economic third way you advocate that combines aspects of Socialism with Capitalism - the very economic system of fascism). Like government bailouts. Like corporate control of politicians and industry (Big Business loves Big Government - the biggest supporters of government regulation are the biggest companies in the industries). Like finicial turbulence.

Moving towards socialism is moving towards the days of lords and serfs, back to the days where individuals were necessary capital for the survival of tribes, villages and lands. (Like Hillary says, It Takes a Village). Capitalism is a move towards independence, towards man being able to live the life HE wants to live and not what his government tells him to live.

Capitalism is the future. Socialism is the past.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

And in general the left is anti-economics and have no need to revise history as they own the public schools.

After all, Woodrow Wilson WASN'T a fascist and the New Deal got us out of the Depression.

and George Washington chopped down the cherry tree and could not tell a lie.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Socialism is vulnerable to morality.

capitalism is vulnerable to immorality

 

[StorminNorman]

You are right. But see, in a capitalism system immorality has the ability to be punished. A big company engages in immoral practices? You choose not to deal with them. It may cost you an extra quarter for a can of tomatoes, or an extra 2 bucks for a bag of coffee - but YOU have the choice to penalize immorality and reward the good.

Immorality in government, however, is near impossible to defeat. Woodrow Wilson's government put a man in jail for 10 years for depicting English Soldiers as the enemy of America...in a film about the REVOLUTIONARY WAR during WWI. Why? Because it was propaganda against our allies. Did this director have the ability to choose not to be involved with that government? No. Because that's how government works.

 

[chaseter]

See GM for example. I know a ton of people who are buying Ford vehicles now instead of GM vehicles.

 

[Marx]

I just heard Bristol Palin is going to be on the next season of 'Dancing with the Stars'.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well look at the example she's had set for her. Can we blame her for thinking being an attention ****e is the way to go?