The Sarah Palin Thread: 'Controversial Controversy' Edition

[DACrowe]

Good points all.

 

[StorminNorman]

Teddy only became president because McKinley thought he was nuts and that after the Cuba craziness it would just simply be easier to control their party's mascot as a do-nothing VP. How did McKinley know an anarchist was going to blow him away a few months into his second term?

By luck of fortune it turns out Teddy was one of our five greatest presidents ever. But I suspect you may disagree.

In any case I picked the 1890s because it was the time before the "plunge" of progressivism. Reconstruction had ended. The presidency post-Johnson (Andrew, this time) was considerably weakened. Jim Crow and the South was overthrowing black rights established in Reconstruction and under the guise of States Rights were setting them up to be powerless for generations to come (there was actually a white race riot in Wilmington, NC in 1898 to throw out the black-friendly Republicans who won the election)--we were on the Gold Standard and Big Business was all-powerful with no oversight, regulation or even child safety laws.

If you view government as evil (or at least Federal government) and business, as well as (terrible) state laws as good...the 1890s should have been an awesome time to the libertarian mindset.

Now to people who like living in the 21st century....No way.

Once again you imply libertarianism and a respect for States Rights equates to racism. It's cowardly and dishonest.

We WERE on a Gold Standard and had a stable currency that didn't faced the inflation we have now. "Big Business" wasn't all-powerful because most regulations hadn't been enacted yet and, as such, Big Business didn't exist in most fields (the Railroad Industry was an exception as the government got involved with the tremendous epic fail that is the Pacific Railroad).

However we didn't have a libertarian state. For one, Lincoln resurrected Hamiltonian policy and the Federal Government had made it clear that States were servants to the Federal Government.

It's very clever to misscharacterize libertarianism as a relic of the past when libertarianism has never been put to practice.

You're failed philosophy has. It was the Fascism of Italy. It was the National Socialism of Hitler (sans eradication of the Jews). It was the Tyranny of Wilson. It was the New Deal of FDR that had to be slashed in order for the economy to finally get out of the Depression. It was the Great Society of Johnson that has destroyed the African American Community and failed at every projected goal.

 

[DACrowe]

1. I never said libertarians are racist. Or those who espouse States Rights are absolute are also racist. However, if you deny that racists hid behind this ideology to enforce segregation and inequality in their states then you are hopelessly deluded.

2. We were on the Gold Standard during the worst economic crash in our country's history that led to a decade-long depression. The one that massive government expenditure on the war ended. Your point?

3. Lincoln did subject states to being permanently part of the Union and saved the nation from falling apart. You're right. But the weakness of his successor, Andrew Johnson and the corruption of Republican President Ulysses S. Grant led to the end of Reconstruction and the power of the Federal government, most especially the Executive Branch, receding until McKinley and more especially Roosevelt. Why else would business magazines eulogize the presidencies of Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison or Rutherford Hayes? The presidents most known for not doing much at all beyond ending Reconstruction...which to a libertarian mindset is preferred.

4. There you go with that asinine argument that fascists are progressives. Last I checked the progressive era helped create the US of the 20th century that had an exploding Middle Class, the best infrastructure in the world (most of it built under Eisenhower AFTER WWII, so don't hide behind that) and generally is considered the most prosperous time in US history. Even when income taxes were over the (ridiculous) amount of 80 percent. 91 percent under Eisenhower. Even I think that is ridiculous, but somehow we boomed without selling out our interests.

Oh but I forgot about those tyrannical projects of those annoying progressives. Women's Suffrage, Workers' rights, food sanitation, national parks and preservation, banking reform, agricultural salvation, first class infrastructure, free education for returning war heroes, Civil Rights, Child Labor Laws and a safety net for the retired and elderly. Those bastards!



5. Only railroads? I'm sure Rockefeller, Carnagie, Vanderbilt, and Hearst would disagree with that.

 

[Marx]

'SARAH PALIN'S ALASKA' TRAILER DEBUTS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/14/sarah-palins-alaska-trail_n_763576.html

 

[Schlosser85]

Thank God I have DVR...

 

[Marx]

She is just continuing to write the campaign against her in 2012.

From the trailer...

I'd rather be doing this than in some stuffy old political office. I'd rather be out here being free.

 

[Prison Mike]

So will the show follow her homelife? I thought it was just a show showing off Alaska?

 

[Matt]

How Sarah Barracuda Could Become President

Be afraid, folks.

 

[Marx]

So will the show follow her homelife? I thought it was just a show showing off Alaska?

It seems to be a combination of both.

 

[ALP]

Ugh, watch it get really high ratings too...

 

[Kelly]

Hell yeah it will get high ratings.....are you kidding?

 

[Marx]

People love trainwrecks...

 

[Kelly]

Exactly.......this thing will be huge.


You put the fact that she is very popular among many.....ALONG WITH those that want to see this crazy lady in action? Good lord, its a gold mine.

 

[ALP]

Hell yeah it will get high ratings.....are you kidding?

I know it will get high ratings, I was just stating it in a scornful sort of way. I dislike when lousy reality shows get high ratings.

 

[Prison Mike]

New Palin ad!

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Things are going to be okay, guys. Sarah Palin said so.

 

[Matt]

:facepalm

None the less, I don't see how Obama supporters can make fun of that commercial as the rhetoric is basically exactly the same as that of Obama circa 2008.

 

[Prison Mike]

I would hope that most people knew the "change" wouldn't be over night.

 

[enterthemadness]

I would hope that most people knew the "change" wouldn't be over night.

It's been 2 years...nothing has happened...dont need 8 years now.

 

[Prison Mike]

Doubt the republicans will do anything better

 

[Christopher Nolan]

It's been 2 years...nothing has happened...dont need 8 years now.

but you needed 8 years to drive the country into ****...

 

[Raiden]

It's been 2 years...nothing has happened...dont need 8 years now.

Why people harped on Obama for his two years in office perplexed me...Bush & GOP were given six years, and they did plenty of screwing up in those years. All of a sudden, people are expecting Obama and the Dems to deliver quick results. I don't really understand that logic.

 

[imdaly]

Why people harped on Obama for his two years in office perplexed me...Bush & GOP were given six years, and they did plenty of screwing up in those years. All of a sudden, people are expecting Obama and the Dems to deliver quick results. I don't really understand that logic.

If he actually changed the direction of the country and started making moves that would actually HELP us, then yes, it'd be ridiculous to expect everything isn't all lemondrops and gumdrops now.

But he's taken the country even FURTHER into the wrong direction and at LIGHTSPEED.


It's like Bush was the pilot on flight USA and he was handling the flying of the plane in such a poor way it was bound to crash. So Obama jumped in saying "Let me steady this plane", and then he grabs the controls and sharply pushes the nose down. We're now shooting directly down towards the ground and will hit in just a few seconds, but because it's only been 10 seconds so far we're supposed to trust him and let him keep going.

 

[Marx]

New Palin ad!

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Things are going to be okay, guys. Sarah Palin said so.

This woman is so full of ****.

I would hope that most people knew the "change" wouldn't be over night.

but you needed 8 years to drive the country into ****...

I find it funny that some people expected two years to be a sufficient amount of time to get us out of such a hole.

 

[Kelly]

I wasn't expecting "change" to happen over night, or even need to see it now.....I JUST DIDN'T THINK I WOULD SEE EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPENING....Spending out the ass, only "spending out the ass on crack" now.....

That has nothing to do with change, that has everything to do with growing government at an even faster rate, no transparency WHATSOEVER, which was a tent pole of his campaign.

 

[dnno1]

http://wtfhassarahpalindonesofar.com/1