World "The Spectacular Spider-Man" Appreciation Thread (possible spoilers) - Part 1

[Spider-Aziz]

It's funny how the slingshot weblines disappear after he lets go.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

So I'm finally reading that elseworld stuff starring Mary Jane by Sean McKeever and Miyazawa Takeshi; Mary Jane, Mary Jane: Homecoming, and Spider-Man loves Mary Jane. Fun stuff, you should read it.

That bit with the fall formal dance in Catalysts choosing Flash and MJ as king and queen is taken from the third issue of the Homecoming mini.

 

[Mistah K88]

I always find it interesting when they take ideas (no matter how small) from other comics. It may be a coincidence of course, but when we have people like Matthew Resnick in the series you never know.

Oh, ALSO I've noticed like Batman the Animated Series, most of the villains have unique themes or jingles when they show up. Of course there are some that are more prevalent like the theme of The Big Man (which extends to Hammerhead as he's a direct extension); and some that seem to be used more like the Green Goblin's and Venom's; but I've noticed that there are certain jingles that only play with certain baddies when they are one on one with Spidey. I can identify Ock's, Electro's, Rhino's, and Sandman's themes...heck even Norman's civilian identity had one (which should have told us something). I'm not sure if Kraven, Shocker, or Mysterio had unique jingles/themes (I'll have to re-watch their episodes and listen to the background music any other time they are on screen)... And I'm not sure if the jingle in Accomplices when Silver Sable shows up at the auction which replays when her helicopter shows up to attack Kingsley is Sables theme...but I'll say it is anyway...

Oh yeah, there's a portrait of Richard and Mary Parker at May and Peter's house... Peter favors his father looks wise.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Music is something to review now.

 

[Mistah K88]

In light of recent events...

Emily Osborn

First Appearance: The Spectacular Spider-Man # 180 (September 1991)

So not much is known about this character (yet) other that she is the wife of Norman Osborn and the mother of Harry Osborn. It was said that Norman's resentment for Harry came from the loss of his wife... In this series she has remained alive and in Harry's life. While we don't see her do much in this series, there were plans for her that were going to be acted out in Season 3 after her husband's "demise". It seemed that she was just as indifferent to Harry as Norman was... but the world will never know. From those plans, all we know is that Marina Sirtis would most likely been her voice.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Emily_Osborn_(Earth-616)

 

[UltimateWebhead]

A new episode from the podcast is now up. Featuring Greg Weisman and Daran Norris, they discuss Growing Pains among other topics.

http://www.spidey-dude.com/?p=5370

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

A new episode from the podcast is now up. Featuring Greg Weisman and Daran Norris, they discuss Growing Pains among other topics.

http://www.spidey-dude.com/?p=5370

Thanks, I had forgotten to post that here. And man, I was sick when I recorded that.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Thanks, I had forgotten to post that here. And man, I was sick when I recorded that.

You're welcome. Hope you're feeling better.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Anyone else had a chance to listen to the Growing Pains podcast episode? Some really great stuff on there. I love how this show coined Colonel Jupiter and now, it's like people have just gone ahead and adopted that name for John.

 

[Mistah K88]

The name Colonel Jupiter originating from the show was something I didn't know about. Funnily enough I remember reading the comic that featured John in the Jupiter suit (something about the misunderstanding being Spider-Man robbing a bank [it was a bomb he was removing]).

The escalation theme I mentioned earlier is also present with Jonah in this show. I remember him not really caring about Spider-Man's existence when he first heard about Spidey and just wanted to make money off of the Webhead. Then minor things like Spider-Man doing small stuff to humiliate him (sticking him to the ceiling in the Rhino attack) as well as jealousy of Spider-Man and Gobby's fight getting more attention than his astronaut son's landing, started him on the path to thinking Spider-Man was no good. It all turns into full blown hatred when Spider-Man defeats John, and sending him to Ravencroft. I'd say that this is one of the better interpretations of our favorite publisher as the personal grudge he has with Spider-Man actually is, well...personal.

If anything the way Spider-Man interacted with Jonah also gives more characterization for Peter, as what they said over the podcast with Peter being able to say and do irritating things to his boss under the anonymity of a mask that he wouldn't do as Peter. Peter can be quite cheeky as Spider-Man; not just to villains, but even to people that he generally likes, but has ANY sort of minor petty disdain for (JJJ). I remember Peter doing harmless pranks in the comics quite a bit (like webbing his college dean's door shut for example). Not enough to hurt someone, but enough to inconvenience them.

You know...Peter mocking and provoking J. Jonah Jameson has got me thinking about Eddie again in terms of the differing personality to Peter. People like to blame solely the Symbiote for Venom's nature and turn to darkness ...However, when Peter had the Symbiote, he wasn't going after people like Jonah, Flash, Sally and the like to get back at them for petty reasons. He was rude, sure; Peter also brushed off his actual friends like Gwen, and even took a deal from a crime lord. That said he still didn't go out to hurt anyone who wronged him. It goes to show that even with negative emotions being on the forefront, Peter doesn't have it in him to go out of his way to hurt or kill someone...Where Eddie went straight to thoughts of murder as a first resort, only stopping for the sadistic purpose of twisting the knife first.

 

[Jordacar]

The development they gave to JJ was so smooth, I didn't even realize it was happening. Usually Jonah is given a pretty singular personality, but the writers brilliantly saw potential for a build in his dynamic with the webhead that I'd never even thought of.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The name Colonel Jupiter originating from the show was something I didn't know about. Funnily enough I remember reading the comic that featured John in the Jupiter suit (something about the misunderstanding being Spider-Man robbing a bank [it was a bomb he was removing]).

The escalation theme I mentioned earlier is also present with Jonah in this show. I remember him not really caring about Spider-Man's existence when he first heard about Spidey and just wanted to make money off of the Webhead. Then minor things like Spider-Man doing small stuff to humiliate him (sticking him to the ceiling in the Rhino attack) as well as jealousy of Spider-Man and Gobby's fight getting more attention than his astronaut son's landing, started him on the path to thinking Spider-Man was no good. It all turns into full blown hatred when Spider-Man defeats John, and sending him to Ravencroft. I'd say that this is one of the better interpretations of our favorite publisher as the personal grudge he has with Spider-Man actually is, well...personal.

If anything the way Spider-Man interacted with Jonah also gives more characterization for Peter, as what they said over the podcast with Peter being able to say and do irritating things to his boss under the anonymity of a mask that he wouldn't do as Peter. Peter can be quite cheeky as Spider-Man; not just to villains, but even to people that he generally likes, but has ANY sort of minor petty disdain for (JJJ). I remember Peter doing harmless pranks in the comics quite a bit (like webbing his college dean's door shut for example). Not enough to hurt someone, but enough to inconvenience them.

You know...Peter mocking and provoking J. Jonah Jameson has got me thinking about Eddie again in terms of the differing personality to Peter. People like to blame solely the Symbiote for Venom's nature and turn to darkness ...However, when Peter had the Symbiote, he wasn't going after people like Jonah, Flash, Sally and the like to get back at them for petty reasons. He was rude, sure; Peter also brushed off his actual friends like Gwen, and even took a deal from a crime lord. That said he still didn't go out to hurt anyone who wronged him. It goes to show that even with negative emotions being on the forefront, Peter doesn't have it in him to go out of his way to hurt or kill someone...Where Eddie went straight to thoughts of murder as a first resort, only stopping for the sadistic purpose of twisting the knife first.

That's a good point. The symbiote didn't create anything new for whomever was attached to it, instead, the symbiote just brought to the forefront the dark feelings that were hidden beneath the surface. So, for Peter, this was all the hurt he had because of losing his Uncle and the resentment he may have been feeling. It doesn't make him evil but once those feelings were no longer being filtered, it made Peter into a jerk (for lack of a better word). And with Eddie, it's like he had all those thoughts of murder and wanting to do evil things as a result of the pain he was hiding but because it was being filtered by his sense of self restraint or whatever, for most looking on they just thought Eddie was just your typical well-adjusted college student. Once the symbiote released those feelings Eddie was free to become what he may have just truly wanted all along.

 

[Mistah K88]

You know, is this one of the only Spidey related adaptions to REALLY reference things from New York?

Normally the only major area that we ever get to see in a fictional New York is Times Square, but in this cartoon we've also seen locations like Central Park, Coney Island, and the Rockefeller Center Ice Rink; as well as events like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Also characters like Jonah, Sandman, and Spidey himself mention sports teams like the Knicks and the Yankees. Small touches like this REALLY establish that Spectacular Spider-Man takes place in New York City. OUR New York City and not somewhere that is inspired by it like Metropolis.

I've also come across another thread of ours during a Google search

Favorite Spectacular Spidey Quotes

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Found this on Youtube. I didn't see it posted anywhere so I thought I would share. It's an orchestral version of the theme song from TSSM.

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And, here's the same theme but with a faster tempo. I think it's about 1.25x

[YT]WXAsl4sQqBA[/YT]

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm not a Todd McFarlane fan, but I love the homage to one of his poses in the first thumbnail.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I'm not a big McFarlane fan either however I've always loved that pose. So kinetic/dynamic.

 

[Mistah K88]

I just had a thought a little bit of time ago; hypothetically if this series was somehow magically revived, I wonder if plans would go as they originally envisioned before the series was screwed by the network, or if they would take ideas from the decade that has passed in modern comics.

Would Sony/Marvel try to force Miles Morales in this universe. Would they force Gwen to become more like Spider-Gwen? Is there anything from modern comics that you feel would be good fit to adapt? (Enemies? Storylines? Characters?)

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Yeah, that's one of the few things that would make me wary about a theoretical (and unlikely) revival. A lot of Marvel stuff now seems to always push specific characters that either are new or big hits in the comics or just happened to be in the MCU. It makes a lot of their new shows, video games, etc. feel samey and repetitive, and characters that I felt were better off in their own universes (Miles's Spider-Man and Spider-Gwen) feel weird alongside the traditional Peter Parker.

As for stuff I'd actually like. Well, Mr. Negative would be pretty cool to see, and Weisman has mentioned he's enjoyed the character before. Coupled with another statement he made about how he could still fit Kingpin if they got the rights, it makes me think there's some future story developments that would need a new crime boss on the scene. The whole FEAST angle would be pretty cool and give Aunt May a bit more to do (assuming it doesn't clash with previously-made plans regarding here). I also think a few of the BND villains could be salvageable (Overdrive, Screwball, Paper Doll), so if they could do do something cool with them, them that'd be great.

Also, while I WOULDN'T actually want to see Superior Spider-Man adapted by the show, I admit I'd like to hear/see Josh Keaton take a crack at it and imitate Peter McNicol's Doc Ock. Just for fun.

 

[Shikamaru]

If the show ever gets revived (in comic form or whatever), I doubt it would do so without Greg Weisman having full control. I mean, it's more-or-less his baby. Reviving it and not giving him full creative control defeats the purpose.

Certain things get revived without the original creator (i.e. Batman Beyond), but those things are usually original concepts. In those cases the concept is the main appeal, even if it started as an auteur piece. In Spectacular Spider-Man's case that's not applicable since the concept is just Spider-Man/Peter Parker as we know him.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Before I continue, there's going to be a 10th Anniversary panel for the show at Sac-Con this upcoming Sunday at the Sacramento Convention Center. Greg Weisman and Victor Cook (who's also doing a panel earlier for Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters) will be there. Check it out if you happen to be in the area!

If the show ever gets revived (in comic form or whatever), I doubt it would do so without Greg Weisman having full control. I mean, it's more-or-less his baby. Reviving it and not giving him full creative control defeats the purpose.

And Cook's baby as well.

Certain things get revived without the original creator (i.e. Batman Beyond), but those things are usually original concepts. In those cases the concept is the main appeal, even if it started as an auteur piece. In Spectacular Spider-Man's case that's not applicable since the concept is just Spider-Man/Peter Parker as we know him.

Ugh, now I'm reminded of those terrible Batman Beyond comics that completely miss the point of the original series and pulled stupid stuff like Barbara's pregnancy (though I guess Timm's partly to blame for starting the Bruce/Barbara thing as well).

I mean, I'd think Marvel and Sony would bring back Weisman, Cook, Cheeks, and as many people from the old show as possible, and that overall plans for the show would go mostly untouched. But, I think they'd have stronger influence on certain characters and elements showing up for synergy. Just my speculation, of course.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

As much as I would like the show to not have team ups or more heroes and definitely none of that SpiderVerse crap, keep in mind that Weisman and Cook originally planned to have this set within an existing Marvel universe. There were plans to have references to Captain America, use of the Kingpin and have Johnny Storm be a guest hero.

Though if Weisman and Cook were to be given the chance to continue the show as planned I don't think it would go much beyond that. Weisman has stated their show was meant to be just like the original comics where it was the early days of Marvel--the Fantastic Four are established and well known but outside of that, not much else. Antman was running around, there were rumors of the Hulk out west and Captain America was still on ice. So if they kept with that same mindset, the show wouldn't change much. And I'd really hope they'd avoid the Spider Gwen stuff. Just have her die like she was always meant to.

 

[Mistah K88]

... with the original plans being 5 seasons of Peter going through high school and more adult oriented DTVs I start to wonder what stories they had in mind. Sure there is the obvious Death of Gwen Stacy (as it seems like everyone tended to avoid her until this series brought her back into the public eye, so this one WAS going to happen if they got that far), but what about the Death of Jean DeWolff? They took the time to establish Jean not trusting Spider-Man in this series, with her partner Stan Carter being supportive of vigilante activity...sometimes to a chilling degree "'If you ask me Spidey hasn't gone far enough".

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I wouldn't want the best Spider-Man show to be messed up by the inclusion of characters like all the other Spider-People, or plots like Superior Spider-Man. Keep these things away please.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Super enemies Spider-Man faced in this series:

1. Vulture
2. Fancey Dan/Ricochet
3. Ox
4. Electro
5. Lizard
6. Montana/Shocker
7. Sandman
8. Rhino
9. Tombstone
10. Green Goblin
11. Doctor Octopus
12. Chameleon
13. Venom
14. Mysterio
15. Kraven
16. Tombstone
17. Silver Sable
18. Silvermane
19. Molten Man

He faced enemies in a number slightly smaller than the number of episodes this show had, and they still got fleshed out with more screen time than most enemies did in the 90s cartoon, except the Russian guys and the two sidekicks, and that's very impressive.

 

[2kt09]

Proving once again why Sony is still the one & only to consistently get animated Spidey right

Joaquim Dos Santos has been tapped to direct a sequel to the animated superhero movie,