It's a shame, really. Marvel was suppose to be the Studio to get Spidey right. I was beyond excited for their take on the character. And here we are with this Frankenstein's monster of bad elements mixed together & casual dismissal of the source material. Feige talks about Spider-Man & his mythos with such passion yet he gives us this?
Exactly. Which is what makes all of their numerous changes to Spider-Man; their crown jewel as proclaimed by Feige, all the more baffling & confusing. I don't think we're being pedantic with any of these changes because they're just that extreme/radical.
Comic Flash: Athletic, a jock, tall, a bully, complete opposite of a nerd
Homecoming Flash: Nerd, not a bully, shorter than Peter, academic.
Nah, not much difference there reallly.
But dude, Otto's character was not completely changed though. He was still a nuclear & atomic physicist, inventor, and genius. He still designed his arms with a brain interface & the purpose of handling dangerous experiments. Hell, his origin of how he became Doc Ock was visually lifted off of the pages of the comics. The main changes they made was giving Otto a different motivation & making him sympathetic/redeemable. He was still recognizable as both Doc Ock & Otto Octavius. Compare that careful attention to detail to the sloppy, non-caring handling of every supporting character in this movie.
Ehh, I'm not sure about that. Hardly anybody likes what they've done to Flash, every article I go to is filled with Spidey fans complaining about him (and certain people trying to defend it) & making jokes about him. Nobody likes the idea of Michelle being MJ besides hardcore MCU fans (Reddit) & Zendaya fans. The High-tech Iron Man-lit suit has gotten a **** ton of complaints to the point where you have people like Armin (CBC) trying to defend it. Longtime Spider-Man fansites like "Does Whatever a Spider Can" and "Spider-Man Crawlspace" hating elements of this movie. And don't forget the constant, consistent "Iron Man 4" jokes that pop up everywhere now. (esp after that final poster) It's clear that the fanbase is currently divided on these changes. It's actually surprising me because I thought most of us would eat it up because it's coming from Marvel.
Uh, except they didn't. He wasn't Otto in name only. Comparing Doc Ock to Ned, Betty, Flash, Sally and "Michelle" and even Adrian Toomes (which is a fair change but still didn't have to connect to Stark) and guess who comes out as infinitely more true to the comics compared to all of those characters? False equivalence imoYeah, I guess you're right, they only changed core tenants of his character.
I meant in previous MCU films, not referring to Homecoming because most people aren't going to judge it until it's out. We're definitely the minority around here/Crawlspace/etc. on that front.
Yeah, that when everybody was super hyped & calling this the definitive Spider-Man. (Including me) Here we are now.... on the 33rd page of the skepticism thread..
There are others. I put together a team. *cue Justice league's remix of "Come together"
Part of me wants to watch the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon just to see how much the MCU Spidey seems to be based off of that version, because clearly either version doesn't seem to be the classic/definitive Spidey we all know.
So much about this film is beginning to annoy me. I want July to hurry up so I can finally have an opinion on the full film.
In regards to the NBA ads too, an Instagram user left a really interesting comment:
I think that's been the problem from the get go, as soon as they hired Watts as director because of his work on Cop Car and portraying kids realistically and decided to really take advantage of the fact of a teenage superhero in high school that's all they've really cared about; not nailing the character of Peter Parker/Spider-Man.
As you said harry, why didn't they just draw from the Ultimate comics for inspiration for a 15 year old Spider-Man in the first place? Why have him be a vlogging YouTuber and be afraid of heights and make him say 'cool' and 'awesome' all the time?
Urghh, never been so unexcited for a Spidey film in my life.
It's a shame, really. Marvel was suppose to be the Studio to get Spidey right. I was beyond excited for their take on the character. And here we are with this Frankenstein's monster of bad elements mixed together & casual dismissal of the source material. Feige talks about Spider-Man & his mythos with such passion yet he gives us this?
There are others. I put together a team. *cue Justice league's remix of "Come together"
But in all seriousness, am I the only one confused by Tom's insistence of MCU Spidey being based on the Ultimate comics? To the point where he said he stole certain quips & lines from that version? As an Ultimate Spidey enthusiast, I'm not seeing ANYTHING from those comics in this movie. Ultimate Peter is the opposite of MCU Peter. He's responsible, independent, burdened by his powers & he didn't want to be part of a bigger team, even after Ultimate Six until wayyy later in the series. Tom has to be confusing the comics with the cartoon. MCU Spidey shares an endless amount similarities with that version.
