Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[harryoscop]

I hadn't seen that set report....hmm.....that's quite different. I'm guessing this is their way of dealing with the big age gap Peter and May usually have.

Which is ridiculous imo. Ultimate, SPIDEY, SSM and even Ultimate cartoon alll had a younger Aunt May & she wasn't turned into a INO version of her classic self. Just once again Caroll & Watts taking a classic character & making an oc with that template. Nothing to see here.

 

[2kt09]

That Aunt May description sounds most like the Ultimate cartoon iteration.

 

[Shikamaru]

The relationships aren't classic. Peter has Ganke as his best friend and confident (classic HS Peter never had a best friend or confident, he was a full-on outcast & loner), his relationship dynamic with the new May will be closer to a big sister/little brother relationship as opposed to the motherly caretaker from the classics. Flash's relationship with Peter will clearly be very different from the classics too since he's no longer an athletic jock. Him being in High-school is from the classics but the contents within the High-school elements are not from classic comics at all. Liz is perhaps the only one who is close to her classic self in the entire HS cast.

Spidey's quips are there.. But the one in the second trailer fell flat for me, personally.

First, changes from the source material are fine as long as they're interesting (or at the very least harmless). What's wrong with Ganke? Having one friend who's also a loner doesn't take away much from loner status. If anything it's an opportunity to have monologues without doing monologues (since Peter can talk to someone).

Second, what are you basing the May thing on? Hopefully not on her age. She's a middle-aged woman. My mom was in her 40s when I was in high school.

Third, where did you read that about Flash? I actually haven't read anything about MCU Flash so you may or may not be onto something there.

Fourth, it's a trailer. Chill.

 

[jasontodd]

He's basing the May is more like a big sister on a set report. If you read back in this thread just one page back, he puts the quote in his post.

 

[PeterBenParker]

That Aunt May description sounds most like the Ultimate cartoon iteration.

There's been plenty of that. A lot of the Tony Stark influence is very derivative of S.H.I.E.L.D/Nick Fury from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

Anyway, we went from having harmless changes to change for the sake of it, and it's only been growing with every new report or snippet of what we're in for.

As far as Ganke goes, it's confusing when he's a character that is part of Miles' ever-growing story (and was created for him). Even BMB is confused with what they're doing to 'Ned Leeds'.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/even-brian-michael-bendis-is-confused-by-peters-best-fr-1794110879

I’ll be very honest right now. I have not talked about this publicly, but it feels very bizarre. Most of the time the characters that I’ve had a hand in creating that have made it to the screen, from Jessica [Jones] all the way to Maria Hill and Quake, the level of quality of the adaptation and care in which they bring the character forward past the adaptation into its new life has been uniformly amazing — my luck in this area has been second to none.

I’ve not seen Spider-Man: Homecoming, so I’m gonna wait until we see what we see. But, yeah, it was bizarre and flattering. I don’t even know if Ganke was the inspiration, or they just got to their own place with a character like this on their own. I don’t know. It does seem like it might have been, but no one’s told me either way. There’s so much else in that trailer that’s from ‘Ultimate Spider-Man’ that I would assume that, yes, it is… It’s weird only because Ganke wasn’t part of Peter’s story—he was part of Miles’ story.

It begs the question why they wanted Ganke when Miles is getting his own film the following year and that's bound to confuse people, when in one film the character is called 'Ned Leeds' when in the other film he's named properly...unless the Miles film takes Harry as a trade for Homecoming taking Ganke.

 

[2kt09]

Apologies in advance for piggy-backing your conversation.

First, changes from the source material are fine as long as they're interesting (or at the very least harmless). What's wrong with Ganke?

For a similar reason/pet peeve to, "what's wrong with Tony's Spidey suit"?

Spectacular and even other adaptations do indeed mix-n-match characters, plot devices, etc
but it comes down to preference rather than if it in fact is interesting or harmless.
If it's interesting, there's something to talk about.
If it's harmless, there's no interest.

...unless the Miles film takes Harry as a trade for Homecoming taking Ganke.

lol that's one way to go.

 

[Shikamaru]

Apologies in advance for piggy-backing your conversation.

For a similar reason/pet peeve to, "what's wrong with Tony's Spidey suit"?

Spectacular and even other adaptations do indeed mix-n-match characters, plot devices, etc
but it comes down to preference rather than if it in fact is interesting or harmless.
If it's interesting, there's something to talk about.
If it's harmless, there's no interest.



lol that's one way to go.

Don't really care about Tony making the suit, so you're talking to the wrong person.

 

[2kt09]

Don't really care about Tony making the suit, so you're talking to the wrong person.

the point was merely they're circumventing something as already established as Iron Spidey
Heck, I go on about even doing the symbiote seems redundant when he's already "nothing without the suit"

 

[harryoscop]

First, changes from the source material are fine as long as they're interesting (or at the very least harmless). What's wrong with Ganke? Having one friend who's also a loner doesn't take away much from loner status. If anything it's an opportunity to have monologues without doing monologues (since Peter can talk to someone).

Second, what are you basing the May thing on? Hopefully not on her age. She's a middle-aged woman. My mom was in her 40s when I was in high school.

Third, where did you read that about Flash? I actually haven't read anything about MCU Flash so you may or may not be onto something there.

Fourth, it's a trailer. Chill.

First-- Because he's not a classic Peter Spider-Man character. They're taking away an integral part from the Miles Morales comic for no reason. I don't have a problem with Peter having a confident but it's not "Classic Spider-Man". The weight of the world was on his shoulders alone.

it should have & could have easily been another character from Peter's comics. It SHOULD have been MJ because that's where Homecoming's whole "teen Peter having a confident" idea came from: the Ultimate comics. & the inspiration for the idea came from MJ being his confident later as an adult in the 616 comics. If not MJ, It could have easily been Randy or Kenny Kong or even Ned Leeds who is not a bootleg Ganke.


Second-- No, her age is not a problem for me. Her characterization is, which is closer to her Ultimate cartoon self but she's even more removed than that because she's going to parties now too & can't cook anymore. (which is a staple of May) as for the big sister thing, I posted the quote on the last page. She's Aunt May in name only, period.


Third- Oh lord, you missed on a lot from him:

"American high schools are so different to British ones," Holland explains in an interview with Short List magazine. "Bullying wasn’t really a thing, so when they cast Flash Thompson they knew they didn’t need a 6ft 5in jock to beat Peter Parker up. They needed a rich, smug kid commenting on how bad his trainers were."

On top of that, his writing was based on Holland's experience with bullies in ONE High-school as opposed to the actual character from the comics.


Fourth-- I'm basing it off of everything we've learned about the movie.

 

[Chris B]

Personally, the Ganke/Ned Leeds aspect doesn't bother me too much. I figure that they simply liked the character but wanted to avoid appearing to co-opt too much from Miles Morales world, so they slapped a name from Peter's supporting cast onto him. And outside of being framed as the Hobgoblin, 616 Ned Leeds never really did anything of note, so I'm not too upset about that.

On the other hand, I do think Randy Robertson would've made more sense to play the best friend role. It would've been a bit more faithful and he could've served as a natural means towards Peter getting a job at the Bugle later on being Robbie's son.

 

[PeterBenParker]

lol that's one way to go.

Can you imagine?

 

[C-3PO]

First, changes from the source material are fine as long as they're interesting (or at the very least harmless). What's wrong with Ganke? Having one friend who's also a loner doesn't take away much from loner status. If anything it's an opportunity to have monologues without doing monologues (since Peter can talk to someone).

Second, what are you basing the May thing on? Hopefully not on her age. She's a middle-aged woman. My mom was in her 40s when I was in high school.

Third, where did you read that about Flash? I actually haven't read anything about MCU Flash so you may or may not be onto something there.

Fourth, it's a trailer. Chill.

Flash is being played by Tony Revolori from The Grand Budapest Hotel and Dope. Here's a picture,

 

[harryoscop]

Anybody else think it's stupid that they made Spider-Man afraid of heights? I mean, it's not some huge thing I hate, I just find it dumb & an unnecessary change lol

 

[Dark Raven]

Anybody else think it's stupid that they made Spider-Man afraid of heights? I mean, it's not some huge thing I hate, I just find it dumb & an unnecessary change lol

Where have they done that?

He should be afraid of spiders next. Also should have some balance issues with vertigo.

 

[harryoscop]

Where have they done that?

He should be afraid of spiders next. Also should have some balance issues with vertigo.

Carroll said Peter is afraid heights "Like any well-balanced person" and that we're not going to see Spider-Man swinging between skyscrapers like he's alway done since his inception.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Anything to make him more relatable to the kiddies, I suppose.

 

[harryoscop]

Anything to make him more relatable to the kiddies, I suppose.

For shame.

 

[SpideyJJ]

But he's just a kid guys, how much can we the viewers suspend our disbelief to see a kid swinging like a pro in a world with gods, aliens, titans, sentient AI's and gems that could grant a being unlimited power? it's highly illogical

 

[SpideyJJ]

Seriously though, I get why their doing it. They really want to drive home his youth and inexperience so that they can show his growth not just as Peter, but as Spider-Man in terms of his confidence, combat ability etc. I just think it's pretty dumb

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I really wanted a final swing...

 

[harryoscop]

Seriously though, I get why their doing it. They really want to drive home his youth and inexperience so that they can show his growth not just as Peter, but as Spider-Man in terms of his confidence, combat ability etc. I just think it's pretty dumb

It is ridiculously dumb. They're taking the idea of a rookie Spider-Man to the extreme. What hero in the MCU had to go on a journey to become the recognizable version of that character everybody knows? It's a journey Peter never had to go on in the comics.

 

[Dark Raven]

This Peter should've had a bad experience with indoor wall climbing and now won't even scale walls with his powers as Spider-Man.

Also, he should have repetitive strain injury on his middle fingers so that he has trouble using it to trigger his web shooters.

 

[Mysteryman]

Repetitive strain injury, for some reason that made me laugh!

 

[PeterBenParker]

What hero in the MCU had to go on a journey to become the recognizable version of that character everybody knows? It's a journey Peter never had to go on in the comics.

You know who did have to go on a journey like that?

Spoiler

 

[Matt Parker]

Ok, I'm gonna defend the fear of heights thing. They said that he will work up to bigger and bigger swings as the movie and presumably the series goes on. I compare it to Daredevil, where he is constantly developing his gadgets and abilities over the course of many adventures. DD didn't get his billy club or even swing from building until the final episode of Season 2, and him swinging off buildings is a pretty big part of DD's iconography. I think it's a potentially interesting approach. Ultimate Spider-Man did the same thing in the comics, where he wasn't swinging around until about 12 or so issues in.