Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[Dark Raven]

Tom can't even appear on the tonight show without Sony assigning RDJ to babysit him

You are wrong about that. It is RDJ appearing, and Tom just gets to make a cameo appearance as a bonus, just like the movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sony can be rest assured the film will make a billion because of Iron Man, so it makes sense.

They are not playing around, they need all the money they can get.

 

[harryoscop]

lmao this movie is not touching 1 Billion

 

[spiderral]

Found this on Instagram:

Haha, best one yet. But honestly, count all of things connected to Tony Stark in this movie that he had nothing to do with in the comics...

Just saw this one on Facebook too, haha:

 

[marvelrobbins]

lmao this movie is not touching 1 Billion

well amazing spider-man 2 did 700 million ww.putting iron man/stark may get it up there.sony doesn't care about quality.they basicly gave feige creative control.unfortully feige seems more concerned with his oeverall mcu plans than doing a good spider-man film.i would laugh though if all of sony's desperate attempts with sacrifcing quality spider-man to get to one billion dollars and it still fails.

except for those of us who are critical of what feige is doing if people are disappointed they will blame sony and say marvel was not to blame.

 

[harryoscop]

well amazing spider-man 2 did 700 million ww.putting iron man/stark may get it up there.sony doesn't care about quality.they basicly gave feige creative control.unfortully feige seems more concerned with his oeverall mcu plans than doing a good spider-man film.i would laugh though if all of sony's desperate attempts with sacrifcing quality spider-man to get to one billion dollars and it still fails.

except for those of us who are critical of what feige is doing if people are disappointed they will blame sony and say marvel was not to blame.

Trust me, it's not. The movie is still of the disappointment of TASM2. I still regularly see comments on Social media talking about how tired they are of him. RDJ will boost the film but only great wom will give it legs. It's going to have a **** ton of competition that evem TASM2 & TASM didn't have. Apes, Despicable Me 3 & Dunkirk. People can't blame Sony entirely because Marvel had creative control, Sony may have collided with them on different things but Marvel still has to take the blame too. You're right, Feige seems more concerned with making connections to the wider MCU as opposed to making Spider-Man the best he can be. And that sucks because when the deal was first announced, everything Feige said about him sounded great

Just saw this one on Facebook too, haha:

 

[harryoscop]

Instead of building Spider-Man's universe in the MCU, they're steadfast in making everything connect to what came before. And that makes the world of the MCU seem wayyy too small. Every piece of tech has to come from Tony Stark or Stark industries or past events. We can't have an independent Spider-Man already out in the MCU making his own tech & kicking butt, so we'll tie it back to Stark. We can't have Herman Schultz making his own homemade gauntlets & concussion proof suit, so we'll half-ass his design & give him one of Crossbone's gauntlets from Civil War. We can't have Adrian Toomes have a grudge against a new character (like Judith Hoag) so we'll tie him back to Tony Stark again. The same goes for everybody in his gang of criminals.

Nothing in this movie feels fresh from Spider-Man's universe. Unlike every other Phase 3 movie (Strange, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) Spider-Man isn't bringing anything new to the MCU that's not ****ing tied back to what came before. And that's perhaps the biggest missed opportunity. We could've had the Daily Bugle AND Oscorp in this movie to flesh out the wider MCU but nope.

 

[Dark Raven]

Instead of building Spider-Man's universe in the MCU, they're steadfast in making everything connect to what came before. And that makes the world of the MCU seem wayyy too small. Every piece of tech has to come from Tony Stark or Stark industries or past events. We can't have an independent Spider-Man already out in the MCU making his own tech & kicking butt, so we'll tie it back to Stark. We can't have Herman Schultz making his own homemade gauntlets & concussion proof suit, so we'll half-ass his design & give him one of Crossbone's gauntlets from Civil War. We can't have Adrian Toomes have a grudge against a new character (like Judith Hoag) so we'll tie him back to Tony Stark again. The same goes for everybody in his gang of criminals.

Nothing in this movie feels fresh from Spider-Man's universe. Unlike every other Phase 3 movie (Strange, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) Spider-Man isn't bringing anything new to the MCU that's not ****ing tied back to what came before. And that's perhaps the biggest missed opportunity. We could've had the Daily Bugle AND Oscorp in this movie to flesh out the wider MCU but nope.

We'll find out that Spider-Man gets his name from a Porsche 918 Spyder that Tony Stark used to drive and not from the arachnid.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Trust me, it's not. The movie is still of the disappointment of TASM2. I still regularly see comments on Social media talking about how tired they are of him. RDJ will boost the film but only great wom will give it legs. It's going to have a **** ton of competition that evem TASM2 & TASM didn't have. Apes, Despicable Me 3 & Dunkirk. People can't blame Sony entirely because Marvel had creative control, Sony may have collided with them on different things but Marvel still has to take the blame too. You're right, Feige seems more concerned with making connections to the wider MCU as opposed to making Spider-Man the best he can be. And that sucks because when the deal was first announced, everything Feige said about him sounded great

it's possibly homecoming may have to suffer a bit for sins of amazing spider-man 2.while i very much liked first amazing spider-man i have instinct second one was going to have problems.

i remain baffled at what goes through feige and his brain trust heads.spider-man is different beast than other films they have done.it's clear more people have problems with the iron man/stark forced into major role.

sony in trailers and spots seem to be doing same thing as amazing spider-man 2 showing so much of film.and yes marvel will have to take some of blame for homeocming if it gets bad reaction.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Instead of building Spider-Man's universe in the MCU, they're steadfast in making everything connect to what came before. And that makes the world of the MCU seem wayyy too small. Every piece of tech has to come from Tony Stark or Stark industries or past events. We can't have an independent Spider-Man already out in the MCU making his own tech & kicking butt, so we'll tie it back to Stark. We can't have Herman Schultz making his own homemade gauntlets & concussion proof suit, so we'll half-ass his design & give him one of Crossbone's gauntlets from Civil War. We can't have Adrian Toomes have a grudge against a new character (like Judith Hoag) so we'll tie him back to Tony Stark again. The same goes for everybody in his gang of criminals.

Nothing in this movie feels fresh from Spider-Man's universe. Unlike every other Phase 3 movie (Strange, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) Spider-Man isn't bringing anything new to the MCU that's not ****ing tied back to what came before. And that's perhaps the biggest missed opportunity. We could've had the Daily Bugle AND Oscorp in this movie to flesh out the wider MCU but nope.

so puzzling.it should also be noted we have seen almost nothing of aunt may in trailers.while i feel they went too young on her so puzzling we see more of ned leeds in name only than her.

i agree with your points.

 

[harryoscop]

We'll find out that Spider-Man gets his name from a Porsche 918 Spyder that Tony Stark used to drive and not from the arachnid.

Wouldn't put it past them. Tony is the one who comes up with the iconic "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" phase.

it's possibly homecoming may have to suffer a bit for sins of amazing spider-man 2.while i very much liked first amazing spider-man i have instinct second one was going to have problems.

i remain baffled at what goes through feige and his brain trust heads.spider-man is different beast than other films they have done.it's clear more people have problems with the iron man/stark forced into major role.

sony in trailers and spots seem to be doing same thing as amazing spider-man 2 showing so much of film.and yes marvel will have to take some of blame for homeocming if it gets bad reaction.

Yep, the complaints about Stark are all over Facebook & I think that's wonderful because it shows even people who are casual fans know that what's happening is wrong. I could actually see a scenario where critics complain about the constant consistent blatant MCU references if the movie does it like the trailers & promos so far. Loool and imagine if Homecoming's RT score ended up in the 70s just like TASM1

 

[marvelrobbins]

Wouldn't put it past them. Tony is the one who comes up with the iconic "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" phase.


Yep, the complaints about Stark are all over Facebook & I think that's wonderful because it shows even people who are casual fans know that what's happening is wrong. I could actually see a scenario where critics complain about the constant consistent blatant MCU references if the movie does it like the trailers & promos so far. Loool and imagine if Homecoming's RT score ended up in the 70s just like TASM1

well iron man 2 and avengers:age of ultron have rt scores in the 70's so it's not crazy to imagine.

when we have the high tech spider-man suit have ai as they showed in last trailer something is very wrong.

 

[AnneFan]

I have issues with the film, but there's plenty of other things I'm liking as well. Holland looks the part. He has the Spidey personality down pat, even if it seems a little try-hard in parts. I love the suit and how he moves in action. Michael Keaton is a first class actor and I'm very happy they went with The Vulture as the villain. Bottom line, I don't think this is going to be my absolute ideal interpretation of the character, but I'll probably still manage to have fun with it.

 

[YoungBlood]

Instead of building Spider-Man's universe in the MCU, they're steadfast in making everything connect to what came before. And that makes the world of the MCU seem wayyy too small. Every piece of tech has to come from Tony Stark or Stark industries or past events. We can't have an independent Spider-Man already out in the MCU making his own tech & kicking butt, so we'll tie it back to Stark. We can't have Herman Schultz making his own homemade gauntlets & concussion proof suit, so we'll half-ass his design & give him one of Crossbone's gauntlets from Civil War. We can't have Adrian Toomes have a grudge against a new character (like Judith Hoag) so we'll tie him back to Tony Stark again. The same goes for everybody in his gang of criminals.

Nothing in this movie feels fresh from Spider-Man's universe. Unlike every other Phase 3 movie (Strange, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) Spider-Man isn't bringing anything new to the MCU that's not ****ing tied back to what came before. And that's perhaps the biggest missed opportunity. We could've had the Daily Bugle AND Oscorp in this movie to flesh out the wider MCU but nope.

100% agree with this comment and I can sum up the main problem this film and probably this franchise's future, which is trying (way too hard) to be different.

It's highly understandable that this version of Spider-Man should be different from the Raimi version and the Webb version and that's ok, but looking at the way this version is going and the choices Sony and Marvel are doing, it feels like their making changes and trying to be different for the wrong reasons.

They put him in the MCU, which is good, but now that Iron Man and The Avengers are tied to him, it feels like he can't stand on his own two feet like say Doctor Strange can.

They give him a mentor in the form of Stark, but he act's more like Daddy Warbucks and it makes Peter loses his independence. (Tony making Iron Spider; fine/ Tony making modified classic Red/Blue Iron-Man esque; not okay)

They changed the characters around since people are probably used to Mary-Jane, Harry, and Gwen at this point, but they feel one-note (fat best friend and snarky hipster chick that acts antagonistic towards Peter more likely due to having a crush on him) and are probably tacked on so that it can be different.

They modernized Peter Parker(Vlogging for example) and show that he's really a teen this time, but it makes the film dated by time the next fad comes (Suprised he ain't doing duck-lips and selfies) and shows that he's an incompetent joke (I don't think even the Runaways could screw-up something simple as stopping bank robbers).

They give him a villain that does not have a relationship or connection to Peter (like Norman, Otto, Flint, Eddie to a certain extent, Harry, Connors), but the villain is now related with Iron Man (Everything has to connect to Stark), which makes Spider-Man a bystander.

Now I'm not saying that this film won't me fun because it might be a fun film, but the flaws still won't go away because it's a fun film and the main flaw that MCU Spider-Man always have is difference.

 

[harryoscop]

100% agree with this comment and I can sum up the main problem this film and probably this franchise's future, which is trying (way too hard) to be different.

It's highly understandable that this version of Spider-Man should be different from the Raimi version and the Webb version and that's ok, but looking at the way this version is going and the choices Sony and Marvel are doing, it feels like their making changes and trying to be different for the wrong reasons.

They put him in the MCU, which is good, but now that Iron Man and The Avengers are tied to him, it feels like he can't stand on his own two feet like say Doctor Strange can.

They give him a mentor in the form of Stark, but he act's more like Daddy Warbucks and it makes Peter loses his independence. (Tony making Iron Spider; fine/ Tony making modified classic Red/Blue Iron-Man esque; not okay)

They changed the characters around since people are probably used to Mary-Jane, Harry, and Gwen at this point, but they feel one-note (fat best friend and snarky hipster chick that acts antagonistic towards Peter more likely due to having a crush on him) and are probably tacked on so that it can be different.

They modernized Peter Parker(Vlogging for example) and show that he's really a teen this time, but it makes the film dated by time the next fad comes (Suprised he ain't doing duck-lips and selfies) and shows that he's an incompetent joke (I don't think even the Runaways could screw-up something simple as stopping bank robbers).

They give him a villain that does not have a relationship or connection to Peter (like Norman, Otto, Flint, Eddie to a certain extent, Harry, Connors), but the villain is now related with Iron Man (Everything has to connect to Stark), which makes Spider-Man a bystander.

Now I'm not saying that this film won't me fun because it might be a fun film, but the flaws still won't go away because it's a fun film and the main flaw that MCU Spider-Man always have is difference.

Nailed it. And the thing that makes me sad is that two years ago, I was excited at the idea of Tony Stark/Iron Man being in a Spider-Man film. This image:

Would have had me flipping my **** in excitement. But now when I see that image, or any image of MCU Spider-Man with Iron Man, it pisses me off. Because it does not feel like two heroes teaming up, it feels like a kid & his overprotective father. And it's such a shame. This movie could have been Spider-Man's true Homecoming. But everything is wrong

 

[Poppy]

100% agree with this comment and I can sum up the main problem this film and probably this franchise's future, which is trying (way too hard) to be different.

Exactly. Your whole post was on point.

I'm getting tired of the "Well, they have to find new origins to distance themselves from Tasm2" and "You wanted Spidey in the MCU and now you're complaining?!" arguments.

If Marvel really wanted to make something new and different, they whould have made a Miles movie with Miles as the main Spider-man. But he wouldn't have made enough money, so instead they brough Peter and changed him too much .

I would have been fine with Tony showing at the very end of the movie and be like "Peter you impressed me with Vulture out there, I might need you with something new now." dun dun dun, Infinity War.

I would rather have the hero being on his own in their solo movie and then teaming up in the Avengers movies. I thought that was the purpose of those movies. Now the interactions of the different heroes in the Avengers movies don't feel special because they are already teaming up in the other movies.
And the fact that I can't stand Tony in the mcu and that he's everywhere is not helping .

I definitely think Tony is going to be in the Homecoming sequel because the first one is going to reach the billion and Marvel is going to want the repeat that success.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I could see Stark having a mentor role through at least 3 of the movies.

Thing is peter is a kid and it sounds like they plan on keeping him a kid for a while so its not like he will throw away a mentor/teacher/father figure to be a grown up

 

[AlluAllu]

Perhaps Tony will die in Avengers 4. His final moments could be spent with Peter. Tony could say something like that he's happy that he helped to give the world a hero even better than Iron Man.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe if Tony dies, he'll transfer his consciousness into Peter, allowing Spidey to finally become more responsible and to grow up. Peter will just be a shell, and Tony in his body will literally be shell head.

 

[Poppy]

Maybe if Tony dies, he'll transfer his consciousness into Peter, allowing Spidey to finally become more responsible and to grow up. Peter will just be a shell, and Tony in his body will literally be shell head.

Did you recently watch Get out?

 

[spiderral]

Exactly. Your whole post was on point.

I'm getting tired of the "Well, they have to find new origins to distance themselves from Tasm2" and "You wanted Spidey in the MCU and now you're complaining?!" arguments.

If Marvel really wanted to make something new and different, they whould have made a Miles movie with Miles as the main Spider-man. But he wouldn't have made enough money, so instead they brough Peter and changed him too much .

I would have been fine with Tony showing at the very end of the movie and be like "Peter you impressed me with Vulture out there, I might need you with something new now." dun dun dun, Infinity War.

I would rather have the hero being on his own in their solo movie and then teaming up in the Avengers movies. I thought that was the purpose of those movies. Now the interactions of the different heroes in the Avengers movies don't feel special because they are already teaming up in the other movies.
And the fact that I can't stand Tony in the mcu and that he's everywhere is not helping .

I definitely think Tony is going to be in the Homecoming sequel because the first one is going to reach the billion and Marvel is going to want the repeat that success.

Just wanna say how glad I am to read your posts and to share the same thoughts and skepticisms you all have.

I really want July to arrive already so I can just make my mind up about this film and either:

1) Enjoy the hell out of it

or

2) Put it behind me if it's no good and just look forward to every other Marvel movie coming out (Thor Ragnarok looks pretty good am I right?)

 

[Dark Raven]

Did you recently watch Get out?

Don't know what that is or what happens in there.

 

[harryoscop]

Did you recently watch Get out?

 

[Poppy]

2) Put it behind me if it's no good and just look forward to every other Marvel movie coming out (Thor Ragnarok looks pretty good am I right?)

If Homecoming is not good, I'll just go rewatch Wonder Woman t:.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Homecoming really is not good, I'll just go rewatch Wonder Woman t:.

I hear RDJ is going to be making a cameo in WW, in stark contrast to Homecoming.