Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[NotNickFury]

This isn't really a skepticism at Homecoming specifically, though I suppose it could be, as well as the rest of the live-action Spider-Man films. Okay, Raimi films- Peter is a high school student and later college student. The Webb films- high school student. And right now in the MCU: high school student.

I get that a young, high school student is easier to market and appeal to a younger audience, but is there no one else that would like to see Peter Parker as an adult? I think back to the comics and the '94 animated series and think, you know, there's just as much worthwhile and memorable material of Peter as an adult versus him as a student.

And I don't mean us seeing Holland grow in the role, but just maybe Peter as an adult from the start.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think putting Peter as a kid gives it a different storytelling perspective.
Not many superhero movies, especially the big ones, tell the story of being a hero through the eyes of a kid

I personally prefer seeing Peter as a kid/teen. That's something that made Spider-Man special. He was young as a sidekick but he was hanging with the heavy hitters and dealing with really heavy stuff.

I really dont think they made him high school to market to kids and a younger audience. Marvel and even SONY don't have to worry about the younger market when marketing a character as big as Spider-Man

 

[PeterBenParker]

I get that a young, high school student is easier to market and appeal to a younger audience, but is there no one else that would like to see Peter Parker as an adult? I think back to the comics and the '94 animated series and think, you know, there's just as much worthwhile and memorable material of Peter as an adult versus him as a student.

Yeah, I've wanted an adult Spider-Man for a while now or at the very least college-adulthood. There's such a broader array of talent if you're looking for a more mature, experienced Spider-Man.

In the Slott ASM, Peter is an adult but he's ultimately a man-child/Tony Stark Lite.
In the Conway ASM RYV, Peter is an adult and father but he's ultimately stuck in an alt. universe that could be cancelled at any moment if sales go down.

The only thing we have right now of a mature Spidey is whatever Insomniac is doing and we know very little about it. My hope is for the SMU to have its own Spider-Man but that all hinges on casting and story details.

 

[2kt09]

This isn't really a skepticism at Homecoming specifically, though I suppose it could be, as well as the rest of the live-action Spider-Man films. Okay, Raimi films- Peter is a high school student and later college student. The Webb films- high school student. And right now in the MCU: high school student.

I get that a young, high school student is easier to market and appeal to a younger audience, but is there no one else that would like to see Peter Parker as an adult? I think back to the comics and the '94 animated series and think, you know, there's just as much worthwhile and memorable material of Peter as an adult versus him as a student.

And I don't mean us seeing Holland grow in the role, but just maybe Peter as an adult from the start.

My preference is as Blackman lays forth.
I wouldn't be opposed to it if they make his adult life interesting to where he's already accomplished certain things yet still has issues to get through.

I really don't think they made him high school to market to kids and a younger audience. Marvel and even SONY don't have to worry about the younger market when marketing a character as big as Spider-Man

The supposed Harry Potter approach with a noticeably young cast along with all the other YA superheroes coming our way on the big and small screen gives off this intended trend in marketing to a younger audience, even though they are in fact already satiated by older superhero idols.

 

[Mysteryman]

If peter is an adult from the start, how do you make a trilogy out of that?

 

[PeterBenParker]

If peter is an adult from the start, how do you make a trilogy out of that?

Easy. Late 20s for one film, early 30s for another and mid-late 30s for the final film. For example:

• Peter facing a villain while wanting to propose to MJ in film one. Subplot about him wanting to give back to his younger days ala working at Midtown High as a teacher. MJ says yes to the proposal and there's one of the hooks for the sequel.
• In film two, Peter gets tested both as a hero and a soon-to-be husband when a tougher villain emerges (ups the stakes) and Peter/MJ question whether they can take this on. Ultimately, they can and marry.
• Film three is an adaptation of sorts of Kraven's Last Hunt, which sends a powerful message that Peter will and overcome anything for the sake of his loved ones and his responsibility.

That was all off the top of my head, of course, but anything can work.

I just find having a more mature Spider-Man offers loads of story possibilities, i.e. Peter ending his story on a happy note with MJ being pregnant, dying for the sake of his city in a bittersweet ending, passing of the torch to someone like Miles or even a future ahead with Miguel, etc. etc.

The final film would be a big challenge for him, I'd think, so you'd have to have something that is not only a true test to the character but to really showcase why Spider-Man is so beloved and treasured among many. A final battle with Norman? Sinister Six? Venom? KLH? Loads of things they could do.

 

[harryoscop]

Easy. Late 20s for one film, early 30s for another and mid-late 30s for the final film. For example:

• Peter facing a villain while wanting to propose to MJ in film one. Subplot about him wanting to give back to his younger days ala working at Midtown High as a teacher. MJ says yes to the proposal and there's one of the hooks for the sequel.
• In film two, Peter gets tested both as a hero and a soon-to-be husband when a tougher villain emerges (ups the stakes) and Peter/MJ question whether they can take this on. Ultimately, they can and marry.
• Film three is an adaptation of sorts of Kraven's Last Hunt, which sends a powerful message that Peter will and overcome anything for the sake of his loved ones and his responsibility.

That was all off the top of my head, of course, but anything can work.

I just find having a more mature Spider-Man offers loads of story possibilities, i.e. Peter ending his story on a happy note with MJ being pregnant, dying for the sake of his city in a bittersweet ending, passing of the torch to someone like Miles or even a future ahead with Miguel, etc. etc.

The final film would be a big challenge for him, I'd think, so you'd have to have something that is not only a true test to the character but to really showcase why Spider-Man is so beloved and treasured among many. A final battle with Norman? Sinister Six? Venom? KLH? Loads of things they could do.

 

[Mysteryman]

Easy. Late 20s for one film, early 30s for another and mid-late 30s for the final film. For example:

• Peter facing a villain while wanting to propose to MJ in film one. Subplot about him wanting to give back to his younger days ala working at Midtown High as a teacher. MJ says yes to the proposal and there's one of the hooks for the sequel.
• In film two, Peter gets tested both as a hero and a soon-to-be husband when a tougher villain emerges (ups the stakes) and Peter/MJ question whether they can take this on. Ultimately, they can and marry.
• Film three is an adaptation of sorts of Kraven's Last Hunt, which sends a powerful message that Peter will and overcome anything for the sake of his loved ones and his responsibility.

That was all off the top of my head, of course, but anything can work.

I just find having a more mature Spider-Man offers loads of story possibilities, i.e. Peter ending his story on a happy note with MJ being pregnant, dying for the sake of his city in a bittersweet ending, passing of the torch to someone like Miles or even a future ahead with Miguel, etc. etc.

The final film would be a big challenge for him, I'd think, so you'd have to have something that is not only a true test to the character but to really showcase why Spider-Man is so beloved and treasured among many. A final battle with Norman? Sinister Six? Venom? KLH? Loads of things they could do.

Those are interesting ideas but I cant see family friendly Marvel doing Kravens Last Hunt.
Especially when you consider what happened to Kraven at the end.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Those are interesting ideas but I cant see family friendly Marvel doing Kravens Last Hunt.
Especially when you consider what happened to Kraven at the end.

They can adapt things. Make them ambiguous. Like having him [BLACKOUT]jump from the top of a building into his supposed suicide[/BLACKOUT]. But then when Peter looks down, there's [BLACKOUT]no body lying on the streets[/BLACKOUT].

 

[PeterBenParker]

Those are interesting ideas but I cant see family friendly Marvel doing Kravens Last Hunt.
Especially when you consider what happened to Kraven at the end.

Understandably so, but they could just take certain elements and leave out some of the darkness. The best stories come from taking key points and building around it, like we saw in Spider-Man 2 with Ock's origin and the Spider-Man No More story.

I bring up Kraven's Last Hunt, however, because it was an idea one of the execs (Jeff Robinov) at Sony pitched before the deal was made with Marvel. They likened it to "James Bond-ing" Spider-Man, where they'd take popular stories and adapt them without being limited to a specific cast for example, giving them a wider array of actors (and directors) that would suit whatever story they envisioned. Obviously that idea wouldn't work now unless they dropped out of this current deal but KLH has always been an idea for them.

http://screenrant.com/sony-hacker-leak-adult-spider-man-reboot-kravens-last-hunt/

That has everything I ever wanted from Spider-Man, admittedly. Also features this:

According to Robinov:

Another side of Spider-Man that might be interesting to explore in a reboot is seeing him as an adult. Spidey hasn’t remained a teenager over the 52 years he’s been around. He’s moved in with his girlfriend, gotten married, and in some storylines, even became a science teacher at a high school.

It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read.

 

[harryoscop]

Most of their ideas were downright terrible but whaddya know, somebody at Sony for once actually understood the character & had a great idea for once.

 

[harryoscop]

From left to right- Cindy, Jason Lonello, Betty Brant, Sally Avril, Jorge & "Abraham".

Really annoys me how nobody in this photo is recognizable from the comics.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Don't know what you're talking about, Gwen is clearly right there.

Joking aside, this is a somewhat valid criticism IMO. But it's all up to the movie to make us shut up and enjoy the ride.

 

[Mistah K88]

From left to right- Cindy, Jason Lonello, Betty Brant, Sally Avril, Jorge & "Abraham".

Really annoys me how nobody in this photo is recognizable from the comics.

To be fair...aside from Betty Brant (and even that can be debatable), who has an iconic look along the lines of Gwen, MJ, Harry, or the like from that list.

are Cindy, Jorge, and Abraham original characters?

 

[Richard Grayson]

To be fair...aside from Betty Brant (and even that can be debatable), who has an iconic look along the lines of Gwen, MJ, Harry, or the like from that list.

are Cindy, Jorge, and Abraham original characters?

Most probably. These characters will prob have very small roles and be more high school archetypes for the most part

 

[harryoscop]

To be fair...aside from Betty Brant (and even that can be debatable), who has an iconic look along the lines of Gwen, MJ, Harry, or the like from that list.

are Cindy, Jorge, and Abraham original characters?

Well, Cindy is speculated to be Cindy Moon aka Silk's alter ego, as for Jorge & Abraham, probably. Yeah. But even if they don't have iconic looks, I don't see why they had to have those classic names from the comics. Sally has always been the the stuck-up, "hot girl' archtype. SSM expanded on that & made her awesome. Betty kinda does have an iconic look, the brunette bob look. (only the 60s show had her different) but Betty in this movie is a hybrid of both her & Gwen. It's baffling. Jason Lonello was another bully that hated Peter.

They didn't even try to make anybody look like the comics. They basically just picked out a bunch of names from the early comics & randomly slapped them onto these characters they've created for the movie. Like, what's the point? Do they think they're pleasing fans because those names are in the movie? Or...? Why couldn't they follow the SSM route & pull characters from the comics but actually have them be those characters? Greg Wiseman should have been the producer instead of Eric Carroll

 

[harryoscop]

I also liked how Wiseman's Spectacular Spider-Man followed the motto of "never making original characters" because Spider-Man's mythos & array of supporting characters is so vast that they'd never need to. Clearly that idea is lost over at Marvel with the addition of "Michelle" as a main character in this movie.

 

[YoungBlood]

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[YoungBlood]

From left to right- Cindy, Jason Lonello, Betty Brant, Sally Avril, Jorge & "Abraham".

Really annoys me how nobody in this photo is recognizable from the comics.

Is this from the Disney Channel?

 

[ironwez20]

From left to right- Cindy, Jason Lonello, Betty Brant, Sally Avril, Jorge & "Abraham".

Really annoys me how nobody in this photo is recognizable from the comics.

I'm not buying her being Betty brant til I see the movie. That girl looks way to much like Gwen is astounding. Marvel wouldn't be that stupid to make a girl look like Gwen and call her Betty. That's like giving a character red hair and calling her Gwen or Liz Allen it's just weird.

 

[X Knight]

I'm not buying her being Betty brant til I see the movie. That girl looks way to much like Gwen is astounding. Marvel wouldn't be that stupid to make a girl look like Gwen and call her Betty. That's like giving a character red hair and calling her Gwen or Liz Allen it's just weird.

I agree.

if I had no idea about the Betty thing, I'd immediately think the blonde girl is Gwen - headband and all.

 

[AlluAllu]

I'm fine with original characters, even original characters in major roles. But I agree, they shouldn't have given them these names.

 

[Poppy]

If Marvel/Sony really want to make hybrid characters, then they should own it 100%. Call them 'Gwen brant', 'Michelle Jones Parker', sure it would sound dumb but so is the idea to create hybrid characters in the first place. t:


Marvel while they were writing Peter in Civil War and Homecoming:

 

[GuestStar2004]

I ain't fond of the made up friend characters in this movie (i assume they are made up and not in the comics)

They feel like the sorta thing you would do for a tv show.

 

[X Knight]

I don't mind creating original characters. And I don't even mind if they draw inspiration from an existing minor character.

But if you are going to do it, do it sparingly, especially if there's already a large pool of existing characters to use, like Spider-Man has.

And if you do create an original character, don't hijack an existing character's name. Come up with an original name.