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I don't think Anderson's promos have been that bad but they have gone on to long. he lost me during the interview with Hemme.

TNA moved him into a program with Angle to early. Anderson needed to prove himself more in TNA.

I don't get what Storm is saying about Anderson gettign killed by one chair shot vs Abyss being able to take three or four. Isn't that common sense considering their characters???

Despite Abyss being turned into a whimpering joke he's still a much bigger guy who endures that kind of punishment on a regular basis while Anderson doesn't. Or am I reading what Storm said wrong?

Exactly!! I HATE Abyss' character and what it has become, but of course Abyss' character can eat those chairshots. That's the point! I'm surprised Storm doesn't get that (I'm sure he does but he just is hate mode about everything TNA). Abyss is suppose to be playing the superhuman strength character right now with his sudden push and also like you said Metallo, given his character's history he takes more punishment than anyone he isn't phased.

I mean Brock Lesnar took TWO chairshots to the head from the Hardy's when he debuted and was still standing because his character was suppose to be a monster who couldn't be hurt. Guess what, it worked! Though Abyss' character is such a goof now that I could care less.
 
I was more or less with him until he said that. Then it seemed like he was LOOKING for stuff to complain about. Like he was hating on TNA just to hate.
 
Storm is probably just after a job and hoping they'd hire him as head writer lol
 
323. Juventud Guerrera vs. Australia, 2000
Old Juvi Juice was reportedly tripping on ecstasy and went on a spree beating up cops (what cop can't handle a guy the size of Juvi?). He may have broken the ribs of a female cop.


True story, I remember it on the news down here when they toured.
 
Aparently Bret Hart hangs out with Hornswoggle the the most backstage, lol.
 
Instead off being Foleys big dumb puppy Abyss is now Hogan's big dumb puppy. Oy

And regardless off it being good or bad I never thought I'd see Nigel McGuiness beating the crap out of Hulk Hogan. It was just surreal to watch.
 
I love how Flair calls Abyss "THE Abyss" LOL.

I don't see how Abyss becoming a Hogan disciple helps him. TNA may as well bring Evad Sullivan and Eugene in to form the Hulk Corps with Abyss.
 
Aparently Bret Hart hangs out with Hornswoggle the the most backstage, lol.

According to Hart in his HOF speech, he had a fondness for tossing around midget wrestlers as a kid.

Instead off being Foleys big dumb puppy Abyss is now Hogan's big dumb puppy. Oy

And regardless off it being good or bad I never thought I'd see Nigel McGuiness beating the crap out of Hulk Hogan. It was just surreal to watch.


I hate Abyss! I can only hope he turns heel and loses the mask and actually becomes a monster. He's garbage right now and probably at his all time low. I mean the moster of the ring?! It's so so bad! I almost got sick when I saw Abyss crying over Hulk's beaten body and the fact he actually KISSED Hogan on the head. WTF?!

Wolfe beating up Hogan was great! If TNA is smart they'll make his pairing with Styles and Flair a permanent thing
 
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Abyss loosing the mask might be the worst thing they can do. Despite the claims of being a Mankind/Kane clone I think it was part of his original charm.

Mankind loosing his mask didn't hurt him for a variety of reasons (Cactus was already established and Foley has a natural charm and likability that other masked monsters never had) but it didn't do anything for Kane.

I'm not sure Abyss has the skill yet to get over with another kind of character the way Foley did.

I think they should just leave it on him but make him a real monster again. If they take it off I fear they'll give him an even worse gimmick.

I do hope he or Hogan turn on the other. It seems more likely that Hogan will turn but thats the only way I can stomach the Hogan/Abyss worship fest. Abyss hero turning on him would be a reasonable catalyst for making him a big angry SOB again.
 
323. Juventud Guerrera vs. Australia, 2000
Old Juvi Juice was reportedly tripping on ecstasy and went on a spree beating up cops (what cop can't handle a guy the size of Juvi?). He may have broken the ribs of a female cop.


True story, I remember it on the news down here when they toured.

I do too.
 
Abyss loosing the mask might be the worst thing they can do. Despite the claims of being a Mankind/Kane clone I think it was part of his original charm.

Mankind loosing his mask didn't hurt him for a variety of reasons (Cactus was already established and Foley has a natural charm and likability that other masked monsters never had) but it didn't do anything for Kane.

I'm not sure Abyss has the skill yet to get over with another kind of character the way Foley did.

I think they should just leave it on him but make him a real monster again. If they take it off I fear they'll give him an even worse gimmick.

I do hope he or Hogan turn on the other. It seems more likely that Hogan will turn but thats the only way I can stomach the Hogan/Abyss worship fest. Abyss hero turning on him would be a reasonable catalyst for making him a big angry SOB again.

Abyss needs a total repackaging. Losing the mask would be the best thing for him. It drops all the mankind comparisons and freshens his character. Besides there's absolutely no charm left to his character anymore. Hogan turning on Abyss would be bad because honestly Abyss would still end up being a goof. Foley turning on Abyss didn't change anything so I don't know why Hogan would. Abyss just needs to go full on heel and get evil.
 
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I think for the most part, Anderson has been a major fail in TNA.

The only promise he ever showed IMO was one interview he did when he was feuding with the Undertaker.

He hasn't maintained that since.

Anderson is a natural talker but another one in the win column for scripted promos as he just rattles on and on incoherently when left to his own devices. His biggest problem though is that he has not really improved in the ring.

-AJ/Flair pairing has been th best part of TNA every week, and possibly wrestling. The TNA world title program is certainly a lot more interesting that WWE's.

I think slingshotting AJ from Angle to Joe to Pope is a bad idea, it's not allowing for any real investment in the world title angle, right now I'd say Cena/Batista is better booked.

-Eric Bischoff has been a great personality and is perfect in every delivery. I don't care for either fued with Jarrett or Foley, but that has to do with the booking and not EB.

Bischoff is very good at his role but it's jarring the way he and Hogan are supposed to be a team and yet he is playing heel and Hogan is playing face.


-The heel turn of Morgan is being done nicely, even if you can see it coming at least it's not out of nowhere and they are adding to it little by little.

This is the one for me, TNA have the chance to really create their own big man main eventer who is the total package and would crossover given his mix or look and intelligence.

I don't think Anderson's promos have been that bad but they have gone on to long. he lost me during the interview with Hemme.

TNA moved him into a program with Angle to early. Anderson needed to prove himself more in TNA.

I don't get what Storm is saying about Anderson gettign killed by one chair shot vs Abyss being able to take three or four. Isn't that common sense considering their characters???

Despite Abyss being turned into a whimpering joke he's still a much bigger guy who endures that kind of punishment on a regular basis while Anderson doesn't. Or am I reading what Storm said wrong?

My issue was that it looked so damn weak.
 
Probably ODB and Daffney... who are both better workers than 60 percent of the barbies WWE employs.

well sorry this match didn't show it. they looked like a couple of rejects from a backyard wrestling fed and wrestled even worse

i'm not defending the divas. i don't want the women wrestler to look like life size barbies, but its just two opposite extremes but its a shame the decent female wreslters get nothing where we get "dolls" or "freaks"

i've tried to give tna a chance but seriously it's just painful to watch
 
Anderson is a natural talker but another one in the win column for scripted promos as he just rattles on and on incoherently when left to his own devices. His biggest problem though is that he has not really improved in the ring.

He does tend to rattle on, but he still manages to be entertaining. Tis is what bugged me about Storm's rant too because The Rock would rattle on and go off on unrelated tangents all the time in his promos. I'm not saying Anderson is the Rock, but he's still a very good talker. But By Storm's reasoning that a bad promo by The Rock too then.

And yes Anderson's ringwork is severely lacking, which is why I'm glad he's fueding with Angle since Kurt makes everyone look better. Anderson's natural charisma and promos are enough that he doesn't need to be great in the ring though, just solid.



I think slingshotting AJ from Angle to Joe to Pope is a bad idea, it's not allowing for any real investment in the world title angle, right now I'd say Cena/Batista is better booked.

Angle and Styles had been done to death so AJ needed to move on. They could've kept the Joe thing running longer, but they did plant the seeds for Pope and AJ fued during Impact when Pope pinned AJ. Plus Joe and Styles has been done numerous times too so I'm not broken up that they left it. Pope winning the tournament was the perfect set up for those two and it doesn't really feel hotshotted. I think there's plenty there to be invested since they've booked it well. They've been establishing Pope as a top guy and the chracters involved will make this very good. The key will be to have the fued go on for a few months.



Bischoff is very good at his role but it's jarring the way he and Hogan are supposed to be a team and yet he is playing heel and Hogan is playing face.

Agreed. I don't care for the booking of EB's fueds and it makes no sense for him to be full on heel while Hogan is a face, but EB plays his role perfectly. I enjoy him way more than McMahon.



This is the one for me, TNA have the chance to really create their own big man main eventer who is the total package and would crossover given his mix or look and intelligence.

I'm not crazy about Morgan, but he can be a huge star. He has a great look and plays an effective heel. His mic skills have improved a lot since he's learned he doesn't have to talk at ludicrous speed. If the new regime gets behind him and doesn't blow it like TNA did after his Bound For Glory match with Angle, they have a star.
 
Man, I used to be a huge Kennedy mark but injury after injury and screw-up after screw-up just made me lose interest in him.

Though, I still find it weird that he gets released just days after announcing on Raw that he was going after the WWE title. :hehe:
 
ok if true this could confirm a Prediction of mine of an Orton Face turn( of course not baby face but an anti Hero Face Ala Steve Austin )

O yea and could I get that Legends PM pretty please

I was so blinded by Sheamus on SD that I didn't even notice Orton and HHH teaming together. In what bass-ackwards world would it make sense for those two to be on the same team after what they went through last year?
 
Abyss needs a total repackaging. Losing the mask would be the best thing for him. It drops all the mankind comparisons and freshens his character. Besides there's absolutely no charm left to his character anymore. Hogan turning on Abyss would be bad because honestly Abyss would still end up being a goof. Foley turning on Abyss didn't change anything so I don't know why Hogan would. Abyss just needs to go full on heel and get evil.


When they've tried to get away from old masked Abyss thats when the characters sucked. What they need to do is take him back to what he used to be.

A total repackaging is often as lazy as Hollywood's easy way out of rebooting when they don't want to put the effort into fixing something. Abyss isn't far gone enough that they can't salvage his old character.

If he looses the Abyss character whats he gonna do? I can't think of one thing that wouldn't be stupid or already been done.

Him loosing the mask will simply give people another excuse to say that he's copying another Kane storyline since Kane did the same thing.

Keeping the mask and going full heel at least makes him stand out because Foley and Kane lost theirs long ago. Rey loosing his mask did him no favors either and it was the same people in charge in WCW.


If Abyss and TNA Creative could make loosing the mask work I'd say go for it but they've shown in the past they can drop the ball on this kind of thing.


well sorry this match didn't show it. they looked like a couple of rejects from a backyard wrestling fed and wrestled even worse

i'm not defending the divas. i don't want the women wrestler to look like life size barbies, but its just two opposite extremes but its a shame the decent female wrestlers get nothing where we get "dolls" or "freaks"

i've tried to give tna a chance but seriously it's just painful to watch

Thats because TNA has variety in its wrestlers, especially the women. You haven't been paying attention or otherwise you'd know that.

Are Angelina Love, Tara, Roxxi, and Sarita freaks? No. Are they dolls? No.

You've got freaks, you've got good mat wrestlers, you've got high flyers, you've got eye candy. And most of them are either decent or great in the ring. Id argue that at one point Love may have been one of the most well rounded overall wrestlers in WWE and TNA. She can talk, she's got charisma and she's pretty good in the ring. She was certainly the linchpin of the Beautiful People during their first run when they were one of the better (mens OR womens) stables in WWE/TNA.

Whats wrong with variety? Daffney's one of the better womens wrestlers in the two big companies she just has a particular style which is pretty hardcore.

You've taken a snapshot and generalized the whole division. Daffney vs ODB was simply them showing Daffney as insane which will further the Tara/Daffney feud. Which is already better than any feud going on in WWE right now.

Give me Daffney throwing a guard rail on Tara and beating the crap out of her with a chair vs Michelle McCool and this ridiculous Piggy James nonsense any day.

And if you hate TNA so much why watch at all? Just to complain? Seems like a waste of energy. You make it sound like the entire show was terrible. There was plenty of crap Thursday but some good too.
 
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Well Orton is definitely on a anti-hero kind of following now. I was real surprised how the fans were cheering him at elimination chamber.
 
With Angle vs Anderson TNA needs to keep in simple. Let Anderson do what he does best which is talk but not overdo it. let Angle do what he does best which is carry Anderson to a good series of matches.

Its Russo's swerve after swerve, shock after shock, overly wannabe complex overdone booking that could kill the feud.

It might work better if Bischoff and Russo were almost totally hands off. Angles good enough that he could at least make it entertaining.

Matt Morgan turning on Hernandez could help push both of them as singles stars. I thought Morgans talk with Hernandez after the Beer Money match was made was pretty interesting.

Morgan's got a lot of potential for a big man. He's still got a ways to go but I think he's improved in TNA. If he gets good enough I figure Vince McMahon will orgasm over him and have to have him back.
 
I was so blinded by Sheamus on SD that I didn't even notice Orton and HHH teaming together. In what bass-ackwards world would it make sense for those two to be on the same team after what they went through last year?
Yea and you notice he is also teamed up wtih Kofi Kingston, i mean those two alone give it away with me given their history.

Well Orton is definitely on a anti-hero kind of following now. I was real surprised how the fans were cheering him at elimination chamber.
i wasnt surprised... i just smilied and made it made me look like this: :awesome:
 
When they've tried to get away from old masked Abyss thats when the characters sucked. What they need to do is take him back to what he used to be.

A total repackaging is often as lazy as Hollywood's easy way out of rebooting when they don't want to put the effort into fixing something. Abyss isn't far gone enough that they can't salvage his old character.

If he looses the Abyss character whats he gonna do? I can't think of one thing that wouldn't be stupid or already been done.

Him loosing the mask will simply give people another excuse to say that he's copying another Kane storyline since Kane did the same thing.

Keeping the mask and going full heel at least makes him stand out because Foley and Kane lost theirs long ago. Rey loosing his mask did him no favors either and it was the same people in charge in WCW.


If Abyss and TNA Creative could make loosing the mask work I'd say go for it but they've shown in the past they can drop the ball on this kind of thing.

Abyss isn't far gone?? He's pretty much as far gone as one could possibly be. He's a muppet now who cries and act like a kid who pulls his hair and thinks Family Guy is real. Taking the mask off him cannot be compared to Mankind since that was small part of Foley's career, and you cannot really compare it to Kane because Kane's whole gimmick was built on the fact that he was burned up by the Undertaker. Comparing Rey to Abyss is apple and oranges. And unless they try to make Abyss some cartoonish evil burning people monster like they did with Kane after he lost his mask, then I don't see the comparison. None of those WWE characters you mentioned were like the current version of Abyss when they lost their mask.

TNA can drop the ball on Abyss mask or no mask.




Thats because TNA has variety in its wrestlers, especially the women. You haven't been paying attention or otherwise you'd know that.

Are Angelina Love, Tara, Roxxi, and Sarita freaks? No.

You've got freaks, you've got good mat wrestlers, you've got high flyers, you've got eye candy. And most of them are either decent or great in the ring. Id argue that at one point Love may have been one of the most well rounded overall wrestlers in WWE and TNA. She can talk, she's got charisma and she's pretty good in the ring. She was certainly the linchpin of the Beautiful People during their first run when they were one of the better (mens OR womens) stables in WWE/TNA.

well said!

Whats wrong with variety? Daffney's one of the better womens wrestlers in the two big companies she just has a particular style which is pretty hardcore.

You've taken a snapshot and generalized the whole division. Daffney vs ODB was simply them showing Daffney as insane which will further the Tara/Daffney feud. Which is already better than any feud going on in WWE right now.

Give me Daffney throwing a guard rail on Tara and beating the crap out of her with a chair vs Michelle McCool and this ridiculous Piggy James nonsense any day.

And if you hate TNA so much why watch at all? Just to complain? Seems like a waste of energy. You make it sound like the entire show was terrible. There was plenty of crap Thursday but some good too.[/quote]
 
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