The Avengers The Superbowl spot - Part 1

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[samsnee]

So what should it be? I'm hoping we get at least 2 things:

1. Full clear shot of the Hulk
2. Shot of the aliens

Here are last year's. I wasn't a fan of Thor's but I did like Captain America.

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[cherokeesam]

Meh. If the movie portrays her helplessly plinking away at the bad guys armor with her peashooter while the big boys do all the heavy lifting in that scene then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

But I highly doubt that'll happen, and until then it's just people whining out of context, like I said.

Yeah, I trust Whedon to know enough about the character to portray her strengths and weaknesses accurately. As I keep saying, Widow *can* be shown as a very effective part of the plan for the *espionage* part of the battle. Good spies are essential in any war, and spies are wasted on the front lines. Hopefully Tasha will be shown doing her thing, while the big boys go out and do *their* thing.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Good point about the piloting, chewy. Maybe the Quinjet has missiles.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah, I trust Whedon to know enough about the character to portray her strengths and weaknesses accurately. As I keep saying, Widow *can* be shown as a very effective part of the plan for the *espionage* part of the battle. Good spies are essential in any war, and spies are wasted on the front lines. Hopefully Tasha will be shown doing her thing, while the big boys go out and do *their* thing.

yeah I feel like I've brought up the "Tasha's assets are stealth and intrusion" about a thousand times in these threads but all anyone seems to care about is how much ass someone can kick. tried to explain it to echostation last week but he was pretty clearly trolling.

 

[darkslayer101]

heres wat i am talkin about

Spoiler

 

[BigThor]

Well apparently Black Widow is going to be piloting the ****ing Quinjet during the film's final act, so I guess that's something?

I figured as much, that makes perfect sense.

 

[Smashlilman]

heres wat i am talkin about

Spoiler

 

[Raiden]

heres wat i am talkin about

Spoiler

Nothing but a box of red X, man.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Yeah, I trust Whedon to know enough about the character to portray her strengths and weaknesses accurately. As I keep saying, Widow *can* be shown as a very effective part of the plan for the *espionage* part of the battle. Good spies are essential in any war, and spies are wasted on the front lines. Hopefully Tasha will be shown doing her thing, while the big boys go out and do *their* thing.

Gravity still effects everything on Earth regardless of what planet you're from. I'm sure Black Widow can use her skills in hand to hand combat to dispatch the bad guys.

 

[BigThor]

Gravity still effects everything on Earth regardless of what planet you're from. I'm sure Black Widow can use her skills in hand to hand combat to dispatch the bad guys.

I know Black Widow is tough and all, but these are advanced alien beings do you really think she can use martial arts to defeat aliens that are powerful enough to have Cap on the ropes?

I sure hope the soldiers in Loki's army aren't weak enough to be beaten by a human's punches and kicks, that would be quite lame.

 

[The Morningstar]

Agreed. But maybe he wrist bracers augment her strength too? We'll find out soon enough.

 

[BigThor]

Agreed. But maybe he wrist bracers augment her strength too? We'll find out soon enough.

That would be too forced, leave her strength the way it just let those bracers shoot out automatic bullets.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I know Black Widow is tough and all, but these are advanced alien beings do you really think she can use martial arts to defeat aliens that are powerful enough to have Cap on the ropes?

I sure hope the soldiers in Loki's army aren't weak enough to be beaten by a human's punches and kicks, that would be quite lame.

Well, women can overtake a big, musclely man by using their weight as an advantage. It's the basics of self defense. I'm assuming you are a guy as you little understand how a small woman can immobilize a larger attacker with basic anatomical knowledge.

 

[IronGirl299]

I'm a girl who takes self defense lessons and I guess I'm doomed since I'm unnaturally small and light but I'm trying to make up for it in speed

 

[Perfect Cell]

Well, women can overtake a big, musclely man by using their weight as an advantage. It's the basics of self defense. I'm assuming you are a guy as you little understand how a small woman can immobilize a larger attacker with basic anatomical knowledge.

I think he was assuming that the alien invaders are going to have some form of super strength, since they were able to push around Captain America, a super soldier, so easily. Saying that Black Widow would be able to immobilize people like that with her martial arts would be like saying a person would be able to take down a gorilla just by throwing some jiu-jitsu at it.

 

[Smashlilman]

If Hit girl can take out a bunch of grown men with automatic weapon with a pistal, harpon, and her skill then Black Widow can do the same with some aliens.

 

[The Morningstar]

Kick Ass had surreal dark comedy elements to it though (and it was awesome). I don't think Avengers is going that route.

Plus the guys Hit Girl slaughtered in Kick Ass were nobodies, just generic drug dealers/mafioso types. The enemies in Avengers are inter-galactic warriors.

 

[Lorus]

Really, it's complete nonsense that people should have such a huge problem with Black Widow being part of the hero shot. It's obvious that that's what Whedon wants here, a shot which shows every one of our heroes standing resolute in the face of danger, proving why they are the Avengers and we are lucky to have them protect us. Each hero is shown in a way that encapsulates them in an iconic a way as possible and the Widow with her pistol is as close to an iconic image of her as there is. The shot serves an obvious narrative purpose which is why it leaves an impression even in a vacuum of context.

Why are people so convinced that obviously she's unprepared to take down any foes when we know absolutely nothing about them? We've seen one brief shot of them jumping and a video of men in mo-cap suits being punched. That's it. We don't know what they're capable of, or who stands the best chance of hurting them, or who they stand the best chance of hurting.

I guess that I'm struggling to grasp why people can accept that ridiculous justifications that Cap and Hawkeye can stand there armed with a shield and a bow but reject Widow on the basis of realism, of all things. Cap's main method of attack is throwing a defensive weapon away from himself and was easily apprehended in his own film by HYDRA goons with flamethrowers. We have seen Hawkeye fire exactly zero arrows but are convinced that he is fine because obviously he has sci-fi/magic arrows which will make everything even, just as the Widow is so clearly helplessly outgunned.

How come Hawkeye's arrows from the comics count as reasons but Widow's canonical gadgets, fighting expertise don't? Also, if we're looking to the comics for justification, why aren't we taking into account the fact that Widow's bracelets are essentially machine guns but shrunk down to a compact size?

She is a hero. In a film based on white hats beating up black hats that is enough to justify one human taking down countless enemies regardless of realism because the victory means more than X can beat up Y. It stands for the triumph of heroism over selfishness or community over barbarism. What I'm trying to say is that if you are annoyed by people armed with one gun defeating countless hordes of villains who are much more heavily armed, then you are a tad late in alerting Hollywood.

End rant.

I'm new here, please don't hate me!

 

[cherokeesam]

Well, women can overtake a big, musclely man by using their weight as an advantage. It's the basics of self defense. I'm assuming you are a guy as you little understand how a small woman can immobilize a larger attacker with basic anatomical knowledge.

Certainly. But we can safely assume that neither Widow nor anyone else has any "basic anatomical knowledge" of warriors from another planet and/or dimension.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Really, it's complete nonsense that people should have such a huge problem with Black Widow being part of the hero shot. It's obvious that that's what Whedon wants here, a shot which shows every one of our heroes standing resolute in the face of danger, proving why they are the Avengers and we are lucky to have them protect us. Each hero is shown in a way that encapsulates them in an iconic a way as possible and the Widow with her pistol is as close to an iconic image of her as there is. The shot serves an obvious narrative purpose which is why it leaves an impression even in a vacuum of context.

I agree completely with your overall point. However!

Cap's main method of attack is throwing a defensive weapon away from himself and was easily apprehended in his own film by HYDRA goons with flamethrowers.

Cap allowed himself to be captured. That was part of the plan to figure out what the Skull was up to.

I'm new here, please don't hate me!

Welcome!

 

[Lorus]

I agree completely with your overall point. However!



Cap allowed himself to be captured. That was part of the plan to figure out what the Skull was up to.



Welcome!

Fair point. However, I think despite my example being flawed, the moment later on where Cap wedges the door open with his shield and then finds himself in trouble against a flamethrower goon, luckily being bailed out by Peggy, illustrates my overall point.

Thanks for the welcome! I'm a long time lurker and look forward to discussing things with you all.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Cap's shield is an adamantium-vibranium monster weapon/protective gear that is not only invulnerable to almost all attacks, but it also has a blade-edge that never dulls and is damn good at decapitating foes; flies for long distances before boomeranging back to Cap; and can be used as a melee wallop with the same effectiveness as a big-ass sledgehammer.

Very effective weapon against massed enemies.

So you said a glock is only effective for about 50 yards, so Cap's shield has a longer range in effectiveness? What if it doesn't return to him, what if he's surrounded by a group of them?

A glock is still more dangerous than a big-ass sledgehammer. If bullets can't pierce the skin of those aliens in under a 50 yard range, a shield isn't going to do it either.

Hawkeye's arrows can blow up ****, release gas canisters, electrify opponents, spray acid, launch sonic attacks, pierce armor, home in on targets, launch rockets, launch magnesium flares, drop smoke, release thermal rounds, and sooooo much more.

Very effective weapon against massed enemies.

I must've missed those pics and trailers, because all I've seen is him with regular arrows. Can you post some pics showing him blow **** up with his arrows?

All I've seen are regular arrows and one with a grapple hook.

A Glock pistol fires a 9mm bullet at a rate of about 3 per second (or however fast Tasha can pull the trigger), with a magazine of 15 bullets, and has an effective range of about 50 yards.

*Not* an effective weapon against massed enemies.

When was the last time you saw infantry going into battle armed only with a pistol? You take an assault rifle, grenades, LMG, RPG, .50 cal sniper rifle, flamethrower, all the firepower you can lay your pretty little hands on.

There's nothing "******ed" about people using common sense in observing that you don't take a pistol into battle against a whole damn brigade of guys armed with advanced beam weaponry.

Captain America went into battle with only a gun and nobody ****ed about it.

 

[jab1118]

I know Black Widow is tough and all, but these are advanced alien beings do you really think she can use martial arts to defeat aliens that are powerful enough to have Cap on the ropes?

I sure hope the soldiers in Loki's army aren't weak enough to be beaten by a human's punches and kicks, that would be quite lame.

Let alone a human who is 5'4 115 lbs

 

[cherokeesam]

So you said a glock is only effective for about 50 yards, so Cap's shield has a longer range in effectiveness? What if it doesn't return to him, what if he's surrounded by a group of them?

A glock is still more dangerous than a big-ass sledgehammer. If bullets can't pierce the skin of those aliens in under a 50 yard range, a shield isn't going to do it either.

lead bullet =/= adamantium/vibranium shield. Cap has decapitated Ultron with that shield; I don't think he'd have any trouble with whatever skin/armor these baddies wear.

I must've missed those pics and trailers, because all I've seen is him with regular arrows. Can you post some pics showing him blow **** up with his arrows?

All I've seen are regular arrows and one with a grapple hook.

Sure, we're still speculating and assuming, of course; but now that you mention it, in the very first trailer I maintained then (and still do) that if you analyze it very closely, it definitely looks like one scene shows Hawkeye firing an arrow on the Helicarrier bridge and blowing **** up with it.

Anyho, I'll betcha a shiny red penny that Hawkeye has his trick arrows. If he's got a grapnel arrow, there's no reason to assume he doesn't have the rest of 'em.

Captain America went into battle with only a gun and nobody ****ed about it.

Actually, quite a few people did. But again, Cap's shield is a "magic weapon" in and unto itself. Plus, we've already seen images of Cap firing an M4 in the first Avengers trailer; even *he* knows better than to bring a pistol to this kind of fight.