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The Superhero Cinematic Civil War of Tomorrow Thread - Part 62

Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987)

This is it folks, the final Superman movie starring Christopher Reeve. Definitely my first time watching this...

After an obligatory opening action sequence in space where Superman saves some international astronauts, the film gets off to an oddly solemn start. We see Clark surveying the wreckage of his parents' dilapidated farm, in the first of several scenes that underscore how alone this version of Superman truly is. He finds one last Kryptonian crystal in the barn along with a recording from his biological mother, telling him that this is the final fragment from his home world, and that once he uses it he will be completely "alone". He later tells Lois (more on her momentarily) that she was the only person he's ever known whom he felt a connection with. And to make matters even worse, Clark is visited by a real estate agent who encourages him to sell the farm to a commercial interest, advising that he "can't stop progress". It's these mournful scenes of isolation and eerie prescience that make genre films like this so difficult to dismiss offhand. Moreover, seeing the hale and hearty Reeve in his prime, knowing what we know now about a life that can only be described as tragic, make these opening sequences almost more than I could bear...

I found The Quest for Peace to be the most satisfying Superman film since the second entry. While new director Sidney J. Furie possesses not one iota of Richard Donner's sense of majesty and grandeur (sorry but I still consider Superman II a Donner film), at least an earnest attempt is made to return to form. Margot Kidder, Gene Hackman, and Jackie Cooper are all brought back, and to his credit, Reeve doesn't just phone it in (even though legend has it that he only agreed to return as a trade-off so he could make his passion project). Unfortunately, this also means a return to slapstick and, alas, more gaslighting of Lois. Clark reveals his identity to her a second time, only to wipe her memory of the event yet again! Or does he? Things are left ambiguous; does she remember or doesn't she? Does she only partially remember? I shudder to think of what this poor woman's therapy bills must look like...

Superman IV also continues that curious Reeve-era tradition of showing Superman, in his Clark Kent identity, bullying a human. From the diner encounter in the second film, to ex-jock Brad in the third film, to the personal trainer in the fourth, this version of Superman clearly isn't above showing us puny humans who's the boss from time to time. While it's true that all three of his victims were creeps or bullies themselves, this type of retaliation seems incongruous with the character. I guess audiences in the 70's and 80's really did have a higher tolerance level for this sort of thing...

If we're being honest here, the film itself is fun but nothing really special. However, there's an odd undercurrent of sadness to the proceedings that, once again, makes the movie difficult to discount. Unfortunately though, this has more to do with context than any evident skill in front or behind the camera. Compared to other contemporaneous franchises where many of the principals are still alive, it occurred to me while watching this how the Reeve Superman films are now primarily populated by ghosts. Richard Donner, Mario Puzo, the Newmans, Robert Benton, Alexander Salkind, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Richard Pryor, Ned Beatty, Jackie Cooper, Margot Kidder, Terence Stamp, Reeve himself... All gone now. I can only imagine for true fans of these films who watch them often, the act of revisiting these movies must just get sadder and sadder with each passing year...

When Reeve does his customary wave & devilish smile at the end of Superman IV for the very last time, I confess that the waterworks started to swell up. I enjoyed all these films to varying degrees but I honestly don't see myself returning to them again anytime soon :yay:


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My friend...they are already targeting and fast tracking Demon Slayer as we speak lol😅
I suspect Netflix wants to milk this thing while its still hot

yeah, I'd be more open to the idea of Demon Slayer live action if Netflix just let Netflix Japan and Japanese production studios to handle all the creatives, just like they did with House of Ninja, Alice in Borderland and City Hunter.
The same thing when WB Japan has done it with Rurouni Kenshin.

I hope they do that, but given how huge the anime was, I dread that Netflix wants to make this an English language show (like One Piece or Cowboy Beebop) to gain more hype and exposure from the mainstream.

Friend, I KNEW IT.

The thing is, Hollywood is going to start looking at all these anime properties and find all the Tom Hollands, the Sydney Sweeneys that they can to whitewash them since they see that there is opportunity to make even more money. But like you said, let Japanese production studios handle the live action if you decide to go that route.

Actually, I'm still really surprised at the restraint of Hollywood for not taking Sailor Moon on yet. Even as a show on The CW, lol.
 
The only Terminator sequel he was actually involved with was a letdown. That franchise ended at 2. :o

I'll give him a pass for that Dark Fate mess because even though he produced it, he didn't reeeeeeeeeeally write the script or direct it.

But yeah, T2 and T2-3D is it.
 
I'll give him a pass for that Dark Fate mess because even though he produced it, he didn't reeeeeeeeeeally write the script or direct it.

But yeah, T2 and T2-3D is it.
T3 is mostly just a rehash of 2 but I do like the ending. I don't even mind Salvation. From a story perspective it's harmless, it just handled the future war in a boring way compared to the opening scene of T2.

Genisys can f*** all the way off (except for JK Simmons) and Dark Fate immediately got off on the wrong foot by killing John Connor as a kid. It has some good stuff in it but not enough to redeem it.
 
I'll give him a pass for that Dark Fate mess because even though he produced it, he didn't reeeeeeeeeeally write the script or direct it.

But yeah, T2 and T2-3D is it.
Would Dark Fate have worked better had Genisys not happened?
 
Would Dark Fate have worked better had Genisys not happened?
Maybe in terms of box office because they could have leaned more into Arnie's return. Since he had just been in Genisys four years earlier and that fell flat, they had to fall back on making a big deal about Linda Hamilton returning.
 
Is anyone else not really feeling this new season of Gen V? Their reliance on grossout humor is getting to be overkill. Say what you will about James Gunn, but at least I never had to look at some dude's balls and taint in any of his projects. :o
 
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Is anyone else not really feeling this new season of Gen V?

I thought it was solid, and I like how it really leans into the X-Men parody, but the whole concept of The Boys and Gen V coming into this year politically feels like "a hat on a hat." It's bizarre how sane the world of The Boys is compared to ours. :o
 
I thought it was solid, and I like how it really leans into the X-Men parody, but the whole concept of The Boys and Gen V coming into this year politically feels like "a hat on a hat." It's bizarre how sane the world of The Boys is compared to ours. :o
What are your thoughts on the taint from the new episode in my edited post? Curious minds want to know. :o
 
Honestly, my shock factor bug died years ago, so I'm cool with the grossout humor. And they've always relied on that stuff on Gen V and esp on The Boys.
I've been desensitized for a while but I feel like Gen V hits us over the head with it too much and too often in comparison to The Boys.
 
T3 is mostly just a rehash of 2 but I do like the ending. I don't even mind Salvation. From a story perspective it's harmless, it just handled the future war in a boring way compared to the opening scene of T2.

Genisys can f*** all the way off (except for JK Simmons) and Dark Fate immediately got off on the wrong foot by killing John Connor as a kid. It has some good stuff in it but not enough to redeem it.

Drizzy, why?!

T3 was okay, but that ending always put a bad taste in my mouth. I loathe the idea that Judgment Day is inevitable. It just takes away from the whole 'there's no fate but what we make' notion.

Maybe video games are back?

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I need some more fighting games though, but I'm sure Marvel Tekken Tokon will satiate that for me.
 
Drizzy, why?!

T3 was okay, but that ending always put a bad taste in my mouth. I loathe the idea that Judgment Day is inevitable. It just takes away from the whole 'there's no fate but what we make' notion.
Only in an "oh wow, they actually went there" way.
 
Naked people don't bother me. Seeing a POV shot from inside the toilet of some guy sitting down on it?

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Well that's gross.

I don't watch The Boys/Gen V, but I mean, after that faux Ant-Man anal sneezing scene, you know what time it is over there. :o
 

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