The Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 60

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know why you took a post that has pretty much every sentence pointing out that it's from my point of view as saying that someone is wrong. It's all subjective and it's no big deal to disagree on which films we like. I just think it's a film that really feels like the studio was desperate to get on the superhero money train (and was successful in that regard) and they threw in a big name actor that did his best while nothing else really worked.

And every sentence I write that isn't a quote or a fact, is from my point of view. It's no big deal to disagree.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

FYI nobody wrote that Villeneuve has been more financially successful than Reeves.

Then on what grounds is Reeves lagging behind in terms of "success"?

 

[flickchick85]

FYI nobody wrote that Villeneuve has been more financially successful than Reeves.

Your barometer of success is baffling to me.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'd argue they are funnier then the vast majority of comic book flicks, including those considered "comedies". A lot like Craig's Bond, which has me chuckling so much more then the spoofs of the character.

Half of Morgan Freeman's dialogue gets me going every time.

"Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante, who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands, and your plan is to blackmail this person?"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Half of Morgan Freeman's dialogue gets me going every time.

"Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante, who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands, and your plan is to blackmail this person?"

 

[DA_Champion]

Your barometer of success is baffling to me.

The Hollywood Critics' Association named Villeneuve the best director of the decade, and so on and so forth.

 

[squeekness]

When he looks back at the half blown up hospital, like, "that's it?" kills me every single time.

This is me as well. Too f'n perfectly played.

 

[Gee]

Just read about André Braugher's passing.

RIP Captain Holt!

 

[emielaen]

Just read about André Braugher's passing.

RIP Captain Holt!

An absolutely horrific loss.

 

[Drizzle]

It's such a shock. I loved him on Brooklyn Nine Nine. Relevant to this thread, he was also in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and he voiced Darkseid in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Hollywood Critics' Association named Villeneuve the best director of the decade, and so on and so forth.

We're going to need that so on and so forth.

I just looked up both Denis (who I love) and Reeves (who I rather like). And between them, the biggest award win I could find is a Saturn Award, with Reeves actually winning for director for The Batman. 2049 won best film, but Denis lost best director to Coogler for Panther.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Hollywood Critics' Association named Villeneuve the best director of the decade, and so on and so forth.

Okay, this gets better. So the "prestigious" Hollywood Critics' Association has existed since... 2016. Their president? Scott Menzel. Moreover, going over their wiki, they have a sizable list of awards discontinued as they hand out.

Now, this doesn't mean they aren't good at handing out awards. But they sure as heck aren't prestigious and winning their Filmmaker (not director) of the decade award isn't major. One of that MTV popcorn buckets has more cache, which probably has a better argument for counting towards "success".

Hollywood Creative Alliance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You will notice they are now named The Hollywood Creative Alliance. Their third name in 8 years.

 

[flickchick85]

Denis making more awards-friendly films does not make him “more successful.” They are both very acclaimed and successful filmmakers whose films have been embraced by audiences, period. What a bizarre argument.

 

[Ninjablade]

Denis making more awards-friendly films does not make him “more successful.” They are both very acclaimed and successful filmmakers whose films have been embraced by audiences, period. What a bizarre argument.

Yeah, but The Batman didn't have a cultural footprint. Nobody talks about it... unless it's to talk about it's lack of cultural footprint.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Denis making more awards-friendly films does not make him “more successful.” They are both very acclaimed and successful filmmakers whose films have been embraced by audiences, period. What a bizarre argument.

I wish audiences embraced 2049 a tad more.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, but The Batman didn't have a cultural footprint. Nobody talks about it... unless it's to talk about it's lack of cultural footprint.

The biggest cultural footprint The Batman has made, is everyone on social media talking about how the Penguin show looks as ugly as Lee Pace.

 

[Ninjablade]

The biggest cultural footprint The Batman has made, is everyone on social media talking about how the Penguin show looks as ugly as Lee Pace.

I'm sure once Andy clears those scheduling conflicts, he'll find a way to make them both look pretty

 

[Ninjablade]

Speaking of ugly, I see @Snow Queen is back at it on X

 

[Man in the Suit]

Denis making more awards-friendly films does not make him “more successful.” They are both very acclaimed and successful filmmakers whose films have been embraced by audiences, period. What a bizarre argument.

Speaking of success... Denis's rewrite of Sicario caused Taylor Sheridan to truly happen. Denis removed bad dialogue, changed scenes around, added the Jon Bernthal character, changed the Alejandro character with input from Benicio del Toro, changed the ending with input from Emily Blunt.

And now Taylor Sheridan has 10 terrible shows on TV... Hollywood!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m late as hell, but these last few pages has shown me that you all still don’t respect Batman Returns. It’s the funniest Bat film and DeVito is still undefeated as the Penguin.

Case in point:



I still LMAO at this. And don’t get me started on Batman and Robin.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

And every sentence I write that isn't a quote or a fact, is from my point of view. It's no big deal to disagree.

Exactly, so no reason to take a post that even has specific opinion wording as someone saying that you're wrong. The main reason I responded was because you seemed to take my post as saying that, so I wanted to clarify that I didn't.

I wish audiences embraced 2049 a tad more.

That is an extremely underappreciated film, save for maybe among the critics. Fortunately it at least didn't ruin his chances to get another big budget project like Dune.

 

[Kane52630]

The Hollywood Critics' Association named Villeneuve the best director of the decade, and so on and so forth.

Denis making more awards-friendly films does not make him “more successful.” They are both very acclaimed and successful filmmakers whose films have been embraced by audiences, period. What a bizarre argument.

 

[DA_Champion]

Okay, this gets better. So the "prestigious" Hollywood Critics' Association has existed since... 2016. Their president? Scott Menzel. Moreover, going over their wiki, they have a sizable list of awards discontinued as they hand out.

Now, this doesn't mean they aren't good at handing out awards. But they sure as heck aren't prestigious and winning their Filmmaker (not director) of the decade award isn't major. One of that MTV popcorn buckets has more cache, which probably has a better argument for counting towards "success".

Hollywood Creative Alliance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You will notice they are now named The Hollywood Creative Alliance. Their third name in 8 years.

No, the MTV popcorn buckets don't have more cache, but we'll leave that hyperbole aside.

I'm surprised I have to belabor this point, but yes, Denis Villeneuve has an exceptionally high level of success in Hollywood. That is looking at success in the aggregate of commercial, prestige, critical, et cetera, where I evaluate his level of prestige and critical acclaim relative to other blockbuster directors. To the best of my knowledge, Villeneuve and Nolan are the most successful at straddling that divide between blockbusters and prestige.

He's received academy award nominations for best picture, best director, and best adapted screenplay. He's also received nominations from the Golden Globes and from Cannes, which between them are, I think, the three most respected film awards. All the while he is responsible for multiple blockbusters.

He's also held in high regards by executives. I recently found out that he's being allowed to make a film about Rendezvous with Rama. In an era where the industry is focused on explosions and action set pieces, he's actually being permitted to develop a tentpole based on an exceptionally slow and hard science fiction story. It's a story about exploration and ideas. The characters in the book are very surface level and cookie cutter -- because the story is about the ideas, and not the characters. The fact it's being made is remarkable.

Aside: I was in the process of listening to the audio book, about halfway done, when I found out that it was being made into a film.

I love Matt Reeves as a director. I hope that he gets to make more movies. Now that I think about it, I'd be curious to see what he could do with Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.

 

[Drizzle]

I’m late as hell, but these last few pages has shown me that you all still don’t respect Batman Returns. It’s the funniest Bat film and DeVito is still undefeated as the Penguin.

Case in point:
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I still LMAO at this. And don’t get me started on Batman and Robin.

More like the saddest. My heart still breaks for these poor babies.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

More like the saddest. My heart still breaks for these poor babies.

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That scene was sad.

But fun fact: they used a mix of animatronics and little people actors to play those penguins.