The Talon

[avidreader]

Nope, not there either.



The poster on the left, is what I'm looking for.

I thought that was the one you meant. I cant believe you cant find it. Is that Vote for Lex Luthor site still up, or has it been taken down.

 

[KalKai]

Red X..

 

[Red]

Thanks KalKai

 

[Red]

Edit

 

[Kane]

Hmm got some potentially Great news (well maybe not to Incredible Hulk).

Apparently over at Toonzone, one of the DC writers just revealed that Birthright will be REMOVED from continuity in the comics because of 'poor sales and poor reviews from critics and fans.' The origins of Superman will return back to Man Of Steel after the Infinite Crisis. Apparently the alterations in the timeline of Birthright is somehow tied with Infinite Crisis, a mistake that needed to be fixed.

This is great news as there was alot of critisism over how Birthright warped the existing postcrisis continuity.

 

[AgentPat]

Hmm got some potentially Great news (well maybe not to Incredible Hulk)...

Or me. Great news my arse. That truly SUX! MOS needed to be replaced and long forgotton. *sigh* I really love BR too.

 

[Kane]

MOS actually had more fans and praise than I thought. I went into it with exteme skeptisism and it wasnt as bad.

I guess the MAIN reason Im saying its great news is Birthright really messed up the continuity timeline of Superman. It just didnt fit with the existing history that was based off MOS and destroying almost 20 years of Superman adventures wasnt worth it.

I need to find that posting on TZ (hopefully someone whos a member on there will pull it up cause I asked the comics forum) because there may also have been something said about them working on a new origins (that isnt MOS) that will be intergrated soon which doesnt contradict the past 20 years...just adds new elements that dont contradict..

But for now, its apparently back to MOS.

 

[Serene]

Hmm got some potentially Great news (well maybe not to Incredible Hulk).

Apparently over at Toonzone, one of the DC writers just revealed that Birthright will be REMOVED from continuity in the comics because of 'poor sales and poor reviews from critics and fans.'

Dumbass fanboys.

 

[Kane]

Dumbass fanboys.

But technically your a Smallville fanboy..

Besides, it wasnt just the fans. Even with the DC writing dept itself, Birthright would have caused way too many continuity glitches unnecessarily.

I dont think there were ever any issues with the DC writers and MOS, Birthright was just written as partially a gimmick to readvertise Superman to the audience at the height of Smallville's early seasons' popularity.

Theyve been planning Infinite Crisis for over two years. I think they always planned to retcon Birthright out during IC if it failed with the readers.

Well at least SV's 'Black Kryptonite' is still in the comics, though the audience didnt seem to react well to Loeb's Supergirl writing as well...it was pretty weak. Hes been replaced with Greg Rucka who wants to take a new, bolder direction with the material.

I still think this was a very postive move though. I wouldnt want the DC timeline to be as convoluted as Marvel's timelines.

 

[triplet]

Dumbass fanboys.

Yeah... what she said.

 

[Serene]

But technically your a Smallville fanboy...

But not a dumbass one.

Whatever.. I just really liked BR and I'm sorry to see it getting shafted.

 

[triplet]

Well, technically you're a Smallville fangirl, but definitely not a dumbass one that is certain.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Or me. Great news my arse. That truly SUX! MOS needed to be replaced and long forgotton. *sigh* I really love BR too.

I'm with you Pat, I liked Birthright also. I was waiting for them to give more explanation about the change in IC.

 

[Kane]

Well, technically you're a Smallville fangirl, but definitely not a dumbass one that is certain.

mhmmm...

 

[Kane]

I'm with you Pat, I liked Birthright also. I was waiting for them to give more explanation about the change in IC.

Well the new origin theyre working on could have a few things from birthright; like Clark travelling the world etc...

Just dont count on the SV elements being there; Lex in Smallville, younger Kents, Clark's teenage personality, Kryptonite everywhere etc.... as they conflict with the story of the past 20 years. Theyve all been purged.

 

[Lara]

whatever...comics can't make up their minds. It's always such a convuluted insular mess anyway. Wait long enough and it will all change again.

 

[Serene]

mhmmm...

So much for that trial run...

*plonk*

 

[Super_Ludacris]

In all the years I read DC titles I never understood why people had gripes with continuity when the TPTB over there themselves have always alternated (Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, Pre-Crisis, Elseworlds. I know there's an explcit difference but who's really counting?). I always figured as long as the basic principles and origins where there DC could really go to work with there charcters. Some might say that's why Marvel has the better quality (more consistent timeline) some might argue DC has more freedom and creative control because of it but ultimatley what works is if the story is good. I aint never really read Birthright but early issues looked impressive from a scan through. I imagine it's better than this All-Star Batman bull****, what a dissapointment. The homie Frank Miller is out of touch latley He need to stick to making Sin City movies and watch the money come from royalities

 

[Kane]

whatever...comics can't make up their minds. It's always such a convuluted insular mess anyway. Wait long enough and it will all change again.

lol Keeping Birthright would have made it a convoluted mess!

Not including it actually keeps the timeline perfectly linear and easy to follow with Superman's postcrisis story.

Dont be so ignorant about it. Up until Smallville's release and Birthright, they were following the MOS origins for way over 15 years.

Marvel changes its origins and basis like every week. A consistant timeline is what makes DC comics much better. In fact, there could be no Infinite Crisis if DC didnt have such a well planned out timeline, and IC was planned 2 years prior to its release as well. The writers are actually pretty skilled, probably the best in any Superman medium.

 

[Kane]

So much for that trial run...

*plonk*

....emotional

 

[Super_Ludacris]

They gonna change there timeline every 15 years or something...

 

[Kane]

In all the years I read DC titles I never understood why people had gripes with continuity when the TPTB over there themselves have always alternated (Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, Pre-Crisis, Elseworlds. I know there's an explcit difference but who's really counting?).

They actually do a great job alienating them though. The fact that the post-crisis is the actual real timeline for Superman and everything else is "Elseworlds" is pretty good. Marvel never actually states which of their series are the 'real' ones. IC did bring all the timelines together though and cleared up continuity in a good way.

 

[Kane]

They gonna change there timeline every 15 years or something...

If that was the case, they would have kept Birthright

They do what pleases the general public.

Stuff like bringing back Hal Jordan (and the rebirth of The Corps) and Kara Zor-El were to please the Lantern and Supes fans.

Because of IC I really dont see them changing the origins. The new origin story is just supposed to add more elements to it, making MOS as detailed as Birthright I suppose but leaving all the SV elements out as they contradict existing stuff.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

They cuttin Birthright cause of the sales

 

[Kane]

They cuttin Birthright cause of the sales

And because of fan reactions. It wasnt that well recieved overall, which explains the poor sales.

It didnt make sense to alot of fans and just complicated things. I just read Birthright recently, as I wasnt a comic book reader or a Superman fan when it came out a few yrs ago, and it was okay but definately not great enough to screw up Superman's existing history over.