The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 7

[kvz5]

So apparently there is a rumor that Bale and Hathaway had an affair recently. The selfish part of me hopes it's true because maybe we'll get some great chemistry out of them in the movie.

http://www.twisted-news.com/2011/07/a-list-love-affair/

I read that back in June at a movie forum when there were fewer clues (just that it's two big stars in a superhero/comic book franchise and one is married) and the popular guess at that time was RDJ and ScarJo. But I guess now with more clues given the popular guess among the gossip forums is Bale and Hathaway.

Gotta love gossip. They never disappoint. It's always the same, you just replace the names. The next one I'm expecting is two co-stars fighting.

What if Batman has one and uses two Tumblers to throw off his pursuers from catching him?

I think this idea is more likely than the GCPD or Bane acquiring another Tumbler.

From NolanFans:

Just went down to the 41st street set. It's blocked off 2 blocks from Butler and 1 block from Foster. They were very clear about saying no photographs, but I can tell you they have snow on the road (not a lot, but bits piled up on cars and near telephone poles, etc. They were rolling two or three times when I was there, and was told that they were filming in the house. It got very quiet on set when they called out "rolling" and I thought I could hear someone in the house raise their voice at some point. Sounded like bale...

Nice! Maybe a confrontation scene? Would be nice if he/she heard what was being said.

Where are our ninjas? Can't find anything relevant on Twitter yet.

LOL guys, it said there was yelling after they called out "rolling". It was a scene being shot.

 

[Solidus]

I really have not followed the whole convo about how someone got Tumblers, but you do know there is "plans" for them, and schematics, and Reese did have access to them, very well Bane or someone could have stolen them, or gotten a hold of them. There are many ways people could duplicate it.

 

[Wedge A.]

I wonder whose house it's supposed to be.

 

[kvz5]

I wonder whose house it's supposed to be.

My guess is it's either Gordon's or Selina's. I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[Pagan]

If it happened after TDK yes but, couldn't it possible these things happened during TDK? Everyone knew Gordon was complacent with Batman at that point.

Between when Harvey is saved Gordon getting back to MCU to interrogate Joker, might Batman been able to salvage the wreckage and hide it or something?

EDIT: Also refusing an investigation like that could be seen as suspicious but also it could be he doesn't want the federal government poking around in Gotham. This happens a lot in real life; Batman is a murderer to them yes but, I'm not sure that would necessarily constitute bringing in the federal government to bring him down. (however if he's being blamed for Harvey's death then it could)

Hmm. I'd have to go back and watch TDK again. I thought after the wreck he was pretty busy. maybe Alfred drove the Bat Wrecker down to haul it off?

 

[Wedge A.]

My guess is it's either Gordon's or Selina's. I'm leaning towards the latter.

I agree. But it also leads me to wonder, if the assumption that Bale was present is correct, if he was there as Batman or Wayne.

It's been too long since The Dark Knight's filming. This is fun. t:

 

[Blue Sugar]

Bale and Hathaway petting in a car? Color me intrigued!

 

[The_Raganork]

Hmm. I'd have to go back and watch TDK again. I thought after the wreck he was pretty busy. maybe Alfred drove the Bat Wrecker down to haul it off?

He was busy but, Gordon booked Joker, Went home, got the call from MCU and returned back to MCU

Meanwhile Harvey and Rachel Were kidnapped and tied up.

Seems like some time probably past there...enough time to maybe haul it away, especially with everyone diverted to Joker's capture.

 

[sglass03]

I apologize if this has been suggested before, discussed to death already, or is off-topic, but is it possible that Bane's venom (if they are using the venom angle in the film) is actually a re-engineered strain of Crane's fear gas?

Hear me out: it might make sense that, at some point after weaponizing the blue flower compound, the LoS found it had other qualities - i.e., lending heightened perception and strength to its victims.

Seeing Bane's mask full-on in the trailer, it seems much more like a breathing apparatus than an injection system. Since the chemical has to be inhaled to have an effect (hence the whole microwave emitter in BB), perhaps the mask regulates the flow of the newly-engineered compound into Bane's lungs.

For me, it would be a non-hokey way to tie in the LoS, Bane, and many of the events of BB without seeming too forced.

 

[kvz5]

I agree. But it also leads me to wonder, if the assumption that Bale was present is correct, if he was there as Batman or Wayne.

It's been too long since The Dark Knight's filming. This is fun. t:

Maybe the person can tell from the voice. Or maybe not.

 

[rashad]

I really have not followed the whole convo about how someone got Tumblers, but you do know there is "plans" for them, and schematics, and Reese did have access to them, very well Bane or someone could have stolen them, or gotten a hold of them. There are many ways people could duplicate it.

Reese gave the plans back to Fox though.

 

[The_Raganork]

I really have not followed the whole convo about how someone got Tumblers, but you do know there is "plans" for them, and schematics, and Reese did have access to them, very well Bane or someone could have stolen them, or gotten a hold of them. There are many ways people could duplicate it.

All the more reason to think that now they're totally locked up someplace where they can't be found.

In fact there's one scene where before Bruce is about to give himself up, Alfred is incinerating records.

I wouldn't be surprised if those plans were in there he does say something like

"All of them, I don't want anything that can lead back to Rachel of Fox"

 

[slimshady247]

Why can't it be Hardy and JGL

And I like Rag's idea that Batman might use two Tumblers to throw people (GCPD or whoever) off when chasing him.

 

[Pagan]

All the more reason to think that now they're totally locked up someplace where they can't be found.

In fact there's one scene where before Bruce is about to give himself up, Alfred is incinerating records.

I wouldn't be surprised if those plans were in there he does say something like

"All of them, I don't want anything that can lead back to Rachel of Fox"

which is why I think he had plans for destroying the vehicle if he had to abandon it. why risk getting caught trying to haul it away?

 

[GrimmReaper7]

Reese gave the plans back to Fox though.

Speaking of Reese I'm curious as to what he's going to be up to this time around since he knows who batman is and hes a wanted fugitive now

 

[The_Raganork]

which is why I think he had plans for destroying the vehicle if he had to abandon it. why risk getting caught trying to haul it away?

Totally Agree; he had to take into account something like this might happen

 

[Solidus]

Reese gave the plans back to Fox though.

That does not mean he had more. Come on he still was going to go on AFTER that and prove who Batman was before the Joker came in. Trust me I'm sure he could have made more and had more for safe keeping.

All the more reason to think that now they're totally locked up someplace where they can't be found.

In fact there's one scene where before Bruce is about to give himself up, Alfred is incinerating records.

I wouldn't be surprised if those plans were in there he does say something like

"All of them, I don't want anything that can lead back to Rachel of Fox"

Read above. And as well, there were engineers who worked on it, they may have seen it on TV and said we can show people how to make those. There is many ways for those kind of things to leak easily.

 

[The_Raganork]

That does not mean he had more. Come on he still was going to go on AFTER that and prove who Batman was before the Joker came in. Trust me I'm sure he could have made more and had more for safe keeping.

The purpose of that nod Bruce gave to Reese seem to imply there's a tacit agreement. I saved you despite your ways; if he wanted to tell the Press after that he surely had the chance.

Reese is complicated though, the way TDK ends really throws his characters mindset into a big questionable area

Read above. And as well, there were engineers who worked on it, they may have seen it on TV and said we can show people how to make those. There is many ways for those kind of things to leak easily.

While these variables are all possible, it's one of those things that is reaching.

For example Batman gave that kid those binoculars or whatever in BB; someone could have found them in his room and investigated and gotten back to Bruce

OR the kid heard Rachel when she said: "Bruce?" so thusly he knows Batman is Bruce..

 

[Solidus]

With Reese or reverse engineers and people breaking into Wayne Enterprises to me is not unrealistic or a reach, its just real corporate espionage how it can happen. I think there are some explanations that would be a reach, but I'm sure there is many as the ones I mentioned that really are not. I think some are reaching in the fact that it is going to be impossible for anyone to get the plans, Reese did. Yes they may be under more lock and key but you never know how they will go about it. What is clear is that it has happened and others are making it.

 

[The_Raganork]

With Reese or reverse engineers and people breaking into Wayne Enterprises to me is not unrealistic or a reach, its just real corporate espionage how it can happen. I think there are some explanations that would be a reach, but I'm sure there is many as the ones I mentioned that really are not. I think some are reaching in the fact that it is going to be impossible for anyone to get the plans, Reese did. Yes they may be under more lock and key but you never know how they will go about it. What is clear is that it has happened and others are making it.

Again all you're saying is possible, I was only merely saying that in my opinion the probabilities are low.

However small the probability though I am bound by reason to entertain your idea because it's in fact POSSIBLE.

We all need more information.

 

[Pagan]

meh I personally think these 3 are just going to be used for different shots or backups in case one fails for some reason or another. I wouldn't get too carried away on the idea there will be multiple Tumblers either chasing each other or being used as decoys.
It's a neat idea to contemplate but probably not going to happen.

 

[Batfan16]

All this discussion raises some interesting questions.

For example: didn't the engineers who designed the Tumbler recognize it when Batman began using it? I take it Fox didn't make the whole thing by himself.

He even says, "WE never could get the damn bridge to work, but this baby works just fine." confirming that - as should be obvious - more than one person worked on this project.

Or is this all part of the suspension of disbelief?

 

[lukey37]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011...-of-action-as-filming-begins-on-batman-movie/

KDKA’s Heather Abraham reported spotting actor Gary Oldman, who plays Commissioner Gordon in the film, on the set.

 

[Solidus]

Well there is black ones and camouflage ones, I'm sure there is going to be more than one. If they have two different colors I'm sure its for a reason.

 

[kvz5]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011...-of-action-as-filming-begins-on-batman-movie/

Nice! So it might be Gordon's house after all.