Apocalypse The Timeline

[Mr. Youtube]

Okay, so with Jubilee and Angel cast, why is nobody worrying about the timeline that had to be so meticulously fixed in Days of Future Past? Wouldn't Warren Worthington III be like three years old in 1983 and Jubilee -10 years old? I mean, Jubilee is easy to fix, the girl in the first three films was portrayed by two different actors, could've been two different students who just shared a common power that Jubilee was meant to have. What about Angel, though? The only fix I can think of is that Ben Hardy is playing Warren Worthington II and not III and Apocalypse forcibly gives him wings and that's why they look metallic. Any others that I've probably missed?

 

[Illuminata]

I think with the addition of Angel/Warren puts a huge dent in the timeline this means any and all characters are up for reboot. With the exception of Wolverine I assume but I'm sure if this timeline continues they'll have to incorporate him at some point.

I really hate the guy the chose for Cyclops. Horrible casting.

 

[Sullstar]

DOFP changed the timeline so that X3 didn't really happen now.

I don't know how they'll explain it, they probably won't so it's better to look at it as a separate trilogy than the originals imo.

Heck they could even start him as Archangel and use Apocalypse's time travel powers to explain it

 

[kasjan]

X3 doesn't happen, like other things (after Vietnam Origins, X1, X2, The Wolverine, dystopian future DOFP) after 1973.
What Logan did in 1973 has impact after, not before 1973. So Warren can't be born before 1973. If he was born before 1973, he would be same age in old and new timeline. Warren can be born earlier this time, but not earlier than 9 months after 1973 DOFP events.

 

[xrs13]

This is still a point of contention?

 

[X-Maniac]

Okay, so with Jubilee and Angel cast, why is nobody worrying about the timeline that had to be so meticulously fixed in Days of Future Past? Wouldn't Warren Worthington III be like three years old in 1983 and Jubilee -10 years old? I mean, Jubilee is easy to fix, the girl in the first three films was portrayed by two different actors, could've been two different students who just shared a common power that Jubilee was meant to have. What about Angel, though? The only fix I can think of is that Ben Hardy is playing Warren Worthington II and not III and Apocalypse forcibly gives him wings and that's why they look metallic. Any others that I've probably missed?

This didn't need ANOTHER thread. There's already one called Continuity where we've thrashed this to death.

I think what we're supposed to accept is that DoFP kissed goodbye to the original trilogy and that a blank canvas has been created. It was a fond farewell to those old films.

They already ignored some things in First Class, which didn't follow the hints in the original trilogy about when Xavier/Magneto met, etc.

The series has been rebooted but in a way that doesn't totally throw out the old films, as they exist somewhere in the multiverse.

The recasting of Angel, Jubilee, Nightcrawler and Colossus, a recast Toad and Trask in DoFP, the original plans for a recast Juggernaut in DoFP (replaced with Quicksilver)... all signs that they are starting afresh.

I just hope that from now on there is a consistency, cohesion and continuity that they stick to. We'll see.

 

[guyisnotcool]

Maybe nobody cares. ;p
Guess we have to see what they come up with it.

 

[dax]

I think what we're supposed to accept is that DoFP kissed goodbye to the original trilogy and that a blank canvas has been created. It was a fond farewell to those old films.

They already ignored some things in First Class, which didn't follow the hints in the original trilogy about when Xavier/Magneto met, etc.

The series has been rebooted but in a way that doesn't totally throw out the old films, as they exist somewhere in the multiverse.

The recasting of Angel, Jubilee, Nightcrawler and Colossus, a recast Toad and Trask in DoFP, the original plans for a recast Juggernaut in DoFP (replaced with Quicksilver)... all signs that they are starting afresh.

I just hope that from now on there is a consistency, cohesion and continuity that they stick to. We'll see.

This isn't about DOFP erasing the original trilogy and the wolverine films, it's about the tampering of a character's age. Even though time travel is what erased the events of 5 movies, it cannot erase a person's date of birth because they will still be born at specific points in time whether if its in the old or the new timeline. Even in the original timeline, we saw both Cyclops and Jean Grey as teenagers in X3 and Origins which means they were both born before 1973. The recasting of Nightcrawler and Toad don't count because they were both born before 1973 as well so it makes sense for them to exist in the new timeline while recasting Trask is a case of the filmmakers not caring about the already-established universe. The other 3 are the most problematic because we already saw Colossus in the new 2023 timeline in DOFP which means that he was still born in the 1980's. Whatever year the Deadpool movie takes place, the recasting of Colossus will contradict with the DOFP ending and both Angel and Jubilee being in Apocalypse contradicts with their ages in the original timeline. For them to be in the movie, they'd have to be born before 1973 but they weren't even present in DOFP. They were both born in the same decade as Colossus so they shouldn't be alive in X-Men: Apocalypse.

 

[x-er]

This complaint will continue to pop up on here even well after Apocalypse comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray

 

[X-Maniac]

This isn't about DOFP erasing the original trilogy and the wolverine films, it's about the tampering of a character's age. Even though time travel is what erased the events of 5 movies, it cannot erase a person's date of birth because they will still be born at specific points in time whether if its in the old or the new timeline. Even in the original timeline, we saw both Cyclops and Jean Grey as teenagers in X3 and Origins which means they were both born before 1973. The recasting of Nightcrawler and Toad don't count because they were both born before 1973 as well so it makes sense for them to exist in the new timeline while recasting Trask is a case of the filmmakers not caring about the already-established universe. The other 3 are the most problematic because we already saw Colossus in the new 2023 timeline in DOFP which means that he was still born in the 1980's. Whatever year the Deadpool movie takes place, the recasting of Colossus will contradict with the DOFP ending and both Angel and Jubilee being in Apocalypse contradicts with their ages in the original timeline. For them to be in the movie, they'd have to be born before 1973 but they weren't even present in DOFP. They were both born in the same decade as Colossus so they shouldn't be alive in X-Men: Apocalypse.

Oh, for heaven's sake. I know all that. I've been arguing about it myself.

Re-read my post - it says "I think what we're supposed to accept..."

Get it? I'm saying we're all supposed to accept this is now a blank slate.

 

[dax]

Not everyone is going to accept it as easily as you do.

 

[X-Maniac]

Not everyone is going to accept it as easily as you do.

We don't have much choice.

In any case, First Class already mucked up the continuity before there was any time travel, because Xavier didn't meet Magneto when he was 17 and other stuff.

 

[pavlov]

this thread needs to get locked

 

[Mars123]

Dofp has made a new timeline meaning the sentinels never got made or at least become like they do in the future scenes of dofp.

Thus everything from wolverine origins (minus first 7 mins) X1, 2, 3 and wolverine no longer happen from 1973 onwards.

Firrst class still happens as before 1973

 

[CyclopsSummers]

The recasting of Angel, Jubilee, Nightcrawler and Colossus, a recast Toad and Trask in DoFP, the original plans for a recast Juggernaut in DoFP (replaced with Quicksilver)... all signs that they are starting afresh.

Sabrettoth in X1/Origins, Toad in X1/DOFP, Moira in X3/FC must be all the same

Dofp has made a new timeline meaning the sentinels never got made or at least become like they do in the future scenes of dofp.

Future Sentinels are cancelled but we can still have old sentinels in future x-men movies focusing in present days

 

[Mr.M]

I think the best way to do it from here on out, don't point out specific dates or years. No Clinton/Bush presidencies. Go as far as Reagan and the Berlin Wall, but enough with the historical references. Leave this new time frame as ambiguous as possible. That way we can at least patch up the bleeding and move forward with the current changes. Deadpool shouldn't reference any years or anything of the sort. If it can take place sometime between the 00's-present day; this will be the best approach going forward.

Angel/Jubilee gaffes are terrible, but I'm going to try to move on.

 

[psylockolussus]

They are cherry picking on what they choose to ignore. They are using and retconning Angel/Jubilee/Psylocke not as a disrespect to their original appearance but to give those characters a much substantial role. And for some reason, they cannot redo them in the present/future period.

I can't wait to see if any of these three will show up in the present/future period. With Nightcrawler, I assume they'll bring back Alan Cumming.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

None of those movies from over 10 years ago matter at all.

 

[Havok83]

Okay, so with Jubilee and Angel cast, why is nobody worrying about the timeline that had to be so meticulously fixed in Days of Future Past?

its obvious you havent been reading these threads since last year

 

[DigificWriter]

Singer and Co. clearly pulled a Star Trek 2009 with DoFP and created an alternate timeline (something that I didn't believe they were going to do, but ended up being wrong on). However, what remains unanswered is whether or not the original timeline was completely erased/overwritten or if it still exists in parallel with the new timeline, as is the case with the Star Trek 2009 timeline and the Star Trek timeline of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the TOS and TNG films.

 

[ciscostudent561]

None of those movies from over 10 years ago matter at all.

yup.
probably best left forgotten.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

DOFP was made in order to retcon events in trilogy and 2 wolverine. But FC, intro in Origins and intro of The Wolverine are not cancelled we are OK.

But they try to modify some informations about characters, making a lot of incoherences. They cant create another Angel an Jubilee among x-men because in OT we have already Angel and Jubilee among x-men. If not we can consider that an old Angel and an old Jubilee existed in original timeline and young Jubilee and Angel who were recruited in 2005/2006 were different characters.

In Origins's intro, Stryker met Logan and Creed, before 1973 ??? or atfer ? In 1973, Stryker is present at Paris, alongside with Trask and the president.

 

[Mr.M]

Singer and Co. clearly pulled a Star Trek 2009 with DoFP and created an alternate timeline (something that I didn't believe they were going to do, but ended up being wrong on). However, what remains unanswered is whether or not the original timeline was completely erased/overwritten or if it still exists in parallel with the new timeline, as is the case with the Star Trek 2009 timeline and the Star Trek timeline of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the TOS and TNG films.

Nobody cares. I'm glad you fessed up to this at least when the writing was on the wall for most of us a year back. It's a moot point talking about the old timeline. It's unlikely any more films will continue in that timeline, past/preset/future, although it's a slim possibility for Wolverine 3.

These age changes aren't errors that were made unlike the prequels and The Hobbit trilogy. This is blatant disregard for characters, albeit minor ones, that appeared in previous films. Like I said, it's time to accept it and move on. I have no interest buying old box sets for the OT (I have X1 but that's all), and I don't know why Fox should even invest in putting together an X-Men movie anthology box set on Blue-Ray, aside for some former poster who shall not be named.

Took ten years of films to finally, MAYBE, get this series right. What a waste of time and money. Thankfully for Fox, the old movies turned a decent profit for them.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Took ten years of films to finally, MAYBE, get this series right. What a waste of time and money. Thankfully for Fox, the old movies turned a decent profit for them.

Finally The REAL X-MEN! It's so exciting

 

[dax]

DOFP was made in order to retcon events in trilogy and 2 wolverine. But FC, intro in Origins and intro of The Wolverine are not cancelled we are OK.

But they try to modify some informations about characters, making a lot of incoherences. They cant create another Angel an Jubilee among x-men because in OT we have already Angel and Jubilee among x-men. If not we can consider that an old Angel and an old Jubilee existed in original timeline and young Jubilee and Angel who were recruited in 2005/2006 were different characters.

In Origins's intro, Stryker met Logan and Creed, before 1973 ??? or atfer ? In 1973, Stryker is present at Paris, alongside with Trask and the president.

I would say after 1973 because when Stryker ran out of the meeting room after tazing Mystique, he didn't recognize Wolverine which meant they didn't officially meet yet until 1975 (most likely the year when the Vietnam war scene in Origins took place).