Apocalypse Timeline(s) in Apocalypse

[SuperT]

They'll be as old as they want them to be since there's been nothing at all in the film's that have established when they were born or how old they are.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They may be working on the star trek theory.Basicly only the future of DOFP that wolverine
woke up to at end of film they have to lineup with.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Well, timeline from Empire isnt official. Scott and Jean must be teen in this one. How old are Hank, Havok and Banshee in FC ? around 15. We suppose Scott and Jean are also around 15 in 1983.
So in 2023 (DOFP'end) they are almost 60! yes, too old but they really look so young

 

[Super Jim]

^ Right! There has to be at least a semblance of accuracy with their ages, otherwise they will just screw up this timeline debacle even further.

Look, Jean was anywhere between 11 and 16 in 1985 when Chuck visited her in X3. Since she was born prior to DOFP her age doesn't change. Even if she was born after the DOFP changes, her actually birthdate wouldn't change, otherwise she (and any of these mutants) would never be. Effectively, either they were or were not born.

So in 1983 (now that we know the year the movie will take place) Jean SHOULD BE anywhere between 9 and say 14 years old. I know that's not what many are hoping for, but if they want to force 1983 (for whatever reason - hey I think I'll investigate that), then they SHOULD BE stuck with at least an appropriate age for her.

Now some have said that I can't prove thtat it was 1985 when Chuck visited her. Although that is what seems to have been the accepted year, this may need to be investigated further. Is there any way to verify the year (other than the statement of 10 years prior - or whatever that was) that Chuck and Erik visited the Grey's?

 

[CyclopsSummers]

As timeline released by Empire is finally not official, X1-X2-X3 dont set in 2005-2006 ??

Basicly only the future of DOFP that wolverine
woke up to at end of film they have to lineup with.

However Logan intereferes to modify events, not date of birth of characters. If Scott was born in 70 or 68 ... his DOB doesnt change in modified timeline

 

[psylockolussus]

Its either it is set in the 2000s or sometime after that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The closest thing we have to official stated answer since empire timeline and Viral sites can't be trusted is Bryan Singer saying Future parts of DOFP are set 10 years after Last
Stand.

You don't actully see the word "2023" onscreen In DOFP but wolverine tells them he was sent back 50 years from future In 1973 scenes which equals 2023.

 

[Super Jim]

Well, all of the past stuff from First Class and DOFP (and the stuff inbetween) is known.

For example, we know, for a fact, that Mystique left with Erik in 1962. And we know for a fact that Erik was captured and found guilty of assassinating President Kennedy in 1963. We know for a fact that Azazel (and Tempest) were killed during Project: Wideawake in 1963.

This all means that we know for a fact that Nightcrawler (assuming he is the offspring of Mystique and Azazel - and I would hope Singer wouldnt' mess with that) was born in either 1963 or 1964.

That means that we know for a fact that in 1983 Nightcrawler would be between 18 (about to turn 19) and 20 years old.

As far as Jean, Ororo and Scott, only logical guesses can be made. As far as these it seems that Jean's age is the one that we can try to figure out, based on the visit from Professor X and Erik in X3. Yes, X3 didn't happen, but IF we can figure out when that visit took place and we can take some logical guesses at the age of Jean during that visit, then we can determine, at least within a few year range, how old Jean should be in 1983.

AT this point all evidence points to her being somehwhere between 11 and 13 years old in 1983, which likely wouldn't work for the movie. But this is based on what we think was the year for the visit. Is there anyway to fine-tune when that was?

 

[CyclopsSummers]

I think they will manage for bringing Scott Jean Ororo in their 15, like Hank Havok and Banshee in FC.

The closest thing we have to official stated answer since empire timeline and Viral sites can't be trusted is Bryan Singer saying Future parts of DOFP are set 10 years after Last
Stand.

What a mistake from Singer. DOFP sets 10 years after the Wolverine.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

and when did the Wolverine take place

 

[Super Jim]

I have heard two main arguments for Origins.

One has to do with the 5-mile island incident, making the movie events in 1979 and the other has to do with the Vietnam War, which would put the movie anywhere between 1979 and 1981. At the same time, a thread here at superherohype places the timeline in 1985. Here is the link:

http://forums.superherohype.com/archive/index.php/t-346455.html

At the same time, this timeline analysis has Jean Grey being visited by Chuck and Erik when she was 14 in 1986 (I had that visit in 1985), Ororo's powers manifesting at the age of 12 years in 1988 and Scott's powers manifesting at the age of 17 in 1985.

This would have the main characters at the following ages in 1983:

Scott: 15
Jean: 11
Ororo: 7

Now I'm not advocating whether this timeline thread is correct or not. In fact, the only character age that I am positive on is Nightcrawler, and that is based on when Mystique and Azazel could have been together, which would have to be between 1962 and 1963. So in 1983 Nightcrawler will have to be between 18 and 20 years old! As far as Scott, Jean and Ororo; most seem willing to forgo what they saw in Origins and even First Class (when Professor X used Cerebro). I'm willing to, but I get stuck with the visit to Jean by Professor X and Erik. Yes, maybe that specific event never happened post DOFP, but her birthday is finite. She was born prior to DOFP, so IF that visit happened in 1985 and she was say, 13 years old, then they have to stay with that. Maybe they could try to say that she was, at max, 15 years old, which would make her 13 years old in 1983. But again, that's based on the visit being in 1985, and I'm not sure we can state that definitively. Does anyone have any evidence as to what year that visit took place in X3?

 

[psylockolussus]

I think they will manage for bringing Scott Jean Ororo in their 15, like Hank Havok and Banshee in FC.



What a mistake from Singer. DOFP sets 10 years after the Wolverine.

The great thing about the films set in the "not so distant future" is there's no exact date to them that was shown in the film.

Who knows in the future, they might wanna change the dates they said and just say the original trilogy/The Wolverine/DOFP future period all happened in just 10 years and in the same decade.

 

[dax]

As timeline released by Empire is finally not official, X1-X2-X3 dont set in 2005-2006 ??

I don't see how X1 can be set in 2005 when the World Trade Center was featured in the movie. Plus, it will be 1 year before the 9/11 attacks destroyed those twin towers which puts the movie's timeline around the year 2000 and the gap between X1 and X2 is very short so X2 is set 3-4 months later. Both movies mentioned that Wolverine has had amnesia for 15 years while the flashback scene in X3 says it was 20 years ago which means that the entire X-men trilogy took place in 2000.

What a mistake from Singer. DOFP sets 1o years after the Wolverine.

So that would mean that the future parts of DOFP is set 23 years after X3.

and when did the Wolverine take place

Most likely around the year 2011 (11 years after X3) and with the after-credit scene being set 2 years later, that places the movie in 2013. That gives us the 2023 date that was implied by Wolverine in DOFP.

I have heard 2 main arguments for Origins.

One has to do with the 5-mile island incident, making the movie events in 1979 and the other has to do with the Vietnam War, which would put the movie anywhere between 1979 and 1981.

2 problems with the movie being set in 1979 is that 1)Since DOFP ignored the part where Wolverine meets Stryker during the Vietnam war, then that means that the scene in Origins was set in 1975 and 2) When Wolverine quits Team X and the "6 years later" part comes up, that places the rest of the film in 1981. Even without using the empire timeline, you still get the sense that most of Origins: Wolverine is set in the 80's.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

Here is what we know based on information provided only in the movies:

1962 – X-Men: First Class

- Cuban Missle Crisis took place in 1962

1973 – X-Men: Days of Future Past

- Paris Peace Accords take place in January of 1973 and the year is stated directly in the movie.

1973 to 1979 – X-Men Origins: Wolverine

- The Three Mile Island incident took place in 1979, and the events at the beginning of the movie takes place 6 years prior to the end. In Days of Future Past, Wolverine wakes up in a situation where he has angered whomever he is working for. So in the original timeline it is assumed he is out of a job and heads back into the military in 1973 and likely meets up with Stryker later in the year.

2023 – X-Men: Days of Future Past

- Stated to have happened 50 years after 1973

X1 to X2 – a few weeks or months have passed, possibly the same year.
X2 to x3 – There is a new president, which means it would have to correspond with election timelines.

X3 flashback is 20 years ago

The post-credits scene in The Wolverine takes place 2 years after events in the movie.

I don't see how X1 can be set in 2005 when the World Trade Center was featured in the movie. Plus, it will be 1 year before the 9/11 attacks destroyed those twin towers which puts the movie's timeline around the year 2000 and the gap between X1 and X2 is very short so X2 is set 3-4 months later. Both movies mentioned that Wolverine has had amnesia for 15 years while the flashback scene in X3 says it was 20 years ago which means that the entire X-men trilogy took place in 2000.

The issue with the World Trade Center is whether or not recent events around the time of the movie were impacted by mutants coming to more prominence. But to go with your assumption, let's say that X-Men takes place around 2000.

That puts X2 later in 2000 or possible early 2001, and then X3 would be in 2004 because of the newly elected president going based on the idea that it wasn't a special election or the previous president didn't resign or get impeached.

At that point, getting from X3 to The Wolverine to the future portion of DOFP is just a matter of connecting the dots. The ten year thing sounds good between The Wolverine post-credit scene and DOFP, so we'll go with 2013 in the post-credit scene. That would put a gap between X3 and The Wolverine at 6 to 7 years.

The X3 flashback to the 80s is the thing that screws over the entire timeline. But again, this is assuming that the flashback is meant to be before events in X3 and not prior to the entire trilogy. It is possible that the flashback was meant to be prior to events in the entire trilogy, which if X-Men takes place in 2000, then Magneto and Xavier would meet Jean Grey in 1980.

My assumption is the oldest Jean can be in the flashback is 14. So going based on that assumption, she could be 17 in 1983.

 

[kasjan]

There was nothing about 1979 in Origins movie.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

There was nothing about 1979 in Origins movie.

The finale of Origins takes place at Three Mile Island, and the events that take place there look to be the X-Men universe's version of the Three Mile Island Incident, which took place in 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

 

[X-Maniac]

The finale of Origins takes place at Three Mile Island, and the events that take place there look to be the X-Men universe's version of the Three Mile Island Incident, which took place in 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

No.

The characters in Origins speak about Three Mile Island as though they know its reputation from the incident, so it had already happened. Also, it didn't involve a cooling tower falling down.

That earlier incident allowed Stryker to set up a base there. He'd never be able to have a mutant experimentation facility at a fully functioning nuclear power plant, lol...

Furthermore, the Empire magazine timeline states the end of Origins as having occurred in 1987.

That's EIGHT YEARS after the Three Mile Island Incident.

 

[kasjan]

The finale of Origins takes place at Three Mile Island, and the events that take place there look to be the X-Men universe's version of the Three Mile Island Incident, which took place in 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

It was after Three Mile Island accident.

 

[marvelrobbins]

No.

The characters in Origins speak about Three Mile Island as though they know its reputation from the incident, so it had already happened. Also, it didn't involve a cooling tower falling down.

That earlier incident allowed Stryker to set up a base there. He'd never be able to have a mutant experimentation facility at a fully functioning nuclear power plant, lol...

Furthermore, the Empire magazine timeline states the end of Origins as having occurred in 1987.

That's EIGHT YEARS after the Three Mile Island Incident.

But there Is reason to doudt the empire timeline by the 1983 setting of Apocalypse.

I agree if you listen to dialogue closly it's more likely mainpart of origins took place after the three mile island real life event.

Kinberg has confirmed the little red haired girl seen playing when magneto moved the stadum In DOFP was jean.If she was around 8 then she will be 18 In Apocalypse.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

No.

The characters in Origins speak about Three Mile Island as though they know its reputation from the incident, so it had already happened. Also, it didn't involve a cooling tower falling down.

That earlier incident allowed Stryker to set up a base there. He'd never be able to have a mutant experimentation facility at a fully functioning nuclear power plant, lol...

Furthermore, the Empire magazine timeline states the end of Origins as having occurred in 1987.

That's EIGHT YEARS after the Three Mile Island Incident.

Okay. I saw Origins after First Class. My assumption was that it was something similar to what First Class did with the Cuban Missile Crisis, an alternate version of history where mutants are involved but is covered up. I know a cooling tower didn't fall down, but this was an alternate version of history.

But I have only seen Origins once, so I'll take your word for it. That whole stretch from 1975 to 1987 just feels like a long time though.

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The biggest problem I have with the Empire timeline is the placement of the original trilogy in relation to the first meeting Charles and Erik have with Jean.

Either way, I think Singer and Kinberg can reasonably have Jean in her late teens in Apocalypse, which is what I am more concerned with.

 

[psylockolussus]

The characters in Origins speak about Three Mile Island as though they know its reputation from the incident, so it had already happened. Also, it didn't involve a cooling tower falling down.

That earlier incident allowed Stryker to set up a base there. He'd never be able to have a mutant experimentation facility at a fully functioning nuclear power plant, lol...

Furthermore, the Empire magazine timeline states the end of Origins as having occurred in 1987.

That's EIGHT YEARS after the Three Mile Island Incident.

Bingo!

 

[X-Maniac]

But there Is reason to doudt the empire timeline by the 1983 setting of Apocalypse.

I agree if you listen to dialogue closly it's more likely mainpart of origins took place after the three mile island real life event.

Kinberg has confirmed the little red haired girl seen playing when magneto moved the stadum In DOFP was jean.If she was around 8 then she will be 18 In Apocalypse.

Well, yes, it need not be 1987 precisely. But it's certainly after 1979.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

and when did the Wolverine take place

severals years after X3

I don't see how X1 can be set in 2005 when the World Trade Center was featured in the movie. Plus, it will be 1 year before the 9/11 attacks destroyed those twin towers which puts the movie's timeline around the year 2000 and the gap between X1 and X2 is very short so X2 is set 3-4 months later. Both movies mentioned that Wolverine has had amnesia for 15 years while the flashback scene in X3 says it was 20 years ago which means that the entire X-men trilogy took place in 2000.

You know what ? Producers arent able to etablish us a true timeline

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I have heard two main arguments for Origins.

One has to do with the 5-mile island incident, making the movie events in 1979 and the other has to do with the Vietnam War, which would put the movie anywhere between 1979 and 1981. At the same time, a thread here at superherohype places the timeline in 1985. Here is the link:

http://forums.superherohype.com/archive/index.php/t-346455.html

At the same time, this timeline analysis has Jean Grey being visited by Chuck and Erik when she was 14 in 1986 (I had that visit in 1985), Ororo's powers manifesting at the age of 12 years in 1988 and Scott's powers manifesting at the age of 17 in 1985.

This would have the main characters at the following ages in 1983:

Scott: 15
Jean: 11
Ororo: 7

Now I'm not advocating whether this timeline thread is correct or not. In fact, the only character age that I am positive on is Nightcrawler, and that is based on when Mystique and Azazel could have been together, which would have to be between 1962 and 1963. So in 1983 Nightcrawler will have to be between 18 and 20 years old! As far as Scott, Jean and Ororo; most seem willing to forgo what they saw in Origins and even First Class (when Professor X used Cerebro). I'm willing to, but I get stuck with the visit to Jean by Professor X and Erik. Yes, maybe that specific event never happened post DOFP, but her birthday is finite. She was born prior to DOFP, so IF that visit happened in 1985 and she was say, 13 years old, then they have to stay with that. Maybe they could try to say that she was, at max, 15 years old, which would make her 13 years old in 1983. But again, that's based on the visit being in 1985, and I'm not sure we can state that definitively. Does anyone have any evidence as to what year that visit took place in X3?

You've placed a lot of importance on character ages as seen in other films.

Are you going to take into account Ororo's age in First Class? Minimum of 6 years old, making her 27 in 1983.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I agree, I've always had issues with how we saw Charles using Cerebro and seeing a mess of mutants.

Look, we all know that that little girl with the white hair was Ororo and that kid with the ruby quartz glasses was Scott (and where exactly did he get those glasses?); but if they want to ignore this, they can. They can use any sort of excuse from Charles was seeing a future incarnation of these mutants, or that they weren't even Ororo and Scott. We'd all know it's bull patties, but they've screwed up this timeline so badly with the decisions that they've made, that they need to start making something make sense.

The reason I've placed a lot of importance on character ages as seen in other films is because the writers have decided to hold these movie events every 10 years or so. We've had the early 60's, the early 70's and now we'll get the early 80's.

That's great and all, but you can't screw with certain things. For example, most of us would love to see Archangel in the Apocalypse movie. I know that is something I've wanted for over a decade. But the moment they had Angel (and a poor one at that) in X3, well this became unlikely. Again, most of us would have liked to have seen Gambit and Rogue together, but again, they chose to have these two characters in a way where that pretty much can't happen. Fine, it is what it is. But once they chose to do what they did they can't now have Rogue in the 80's with Gambit, can they?

The same holds true for Jean, Scott and Ororo. The ages need to make sense, otherwise it just fuels the attrocity of what this X-movie timeline has become!

Either create a legitimate timeline that they will stick with, or reboot!