The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn

[danoyse]

The Twilight series is predominately liked by females.....most of the posters here are male.....most of the males who complain about the series manage to throw in rants against the females who like it.

Exactly.

 

[Marvin]

Twilight has more staying power and identity than the underworld films.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I'm wasn't saying I think it's a fad, I'm just saying that whether it lasts or not isn't really important in the scheme of things.

 

[C. Lee]

I'm wasn't saying I think it's a fad, I'm just saying that whether it lasts or not isn't really important in the scheme of things.

Exactly. Just because something 30 years from now may not be as popular as it is now...does not lessen how much an individual can continue to like it.

I have tons of books that I bought, read, and loved in the 70's. Most of them are almost unknown to the general populace today....doesn't keep me from pulling them out and rereading and re-enjoying them today.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I'm wasn't saying I think it's a fad, I'm just saying that whether it lasts or not isn't really important in the scheme of things.

Aye, but your pal obviously thought there was something important about the franchise having some kind of pop cultural cache that would take them beyond the notion of a 'fad' as time goes on.

All she had to do was say to someone like Amazing Fantasy15(someone who didn't post anything sexist as far as i could see), or whoever it was that brought up the rushed film schedule of the flicks... 'Aye, in fact, you're right, they do seem like a film production that is being rushed through to strike while the iron's hot, probably will be just a fad in the long term. I never thought of it that way.'
Instead of dismissing the entire discussion as silly and all the dissenters as sexist.

anyway, i was just following the discussion with interest, and felt that should be said, instead of folk being dismissed like that.

 

[Project862006]

Twilight has more staying power and identity than the underworld films.

underworld films are not some highly intellectual sci fi films or anything lol

not much of a praise

 

[Marvin]

underworld films are not some highly intellectual sci fi films or anything lol

not much of a praise

no one calls them a fad

 

[Project862006]

because they are just movies they are not super popular

a fad is something that is a craze and extremely popular but is short term -for example like hanson,backstreet boys,high school musical,etc.

notice once high school musical ended zach efron is not talked about at all or HSM because it was a fad

twilight imo fits into that mold but thats just my opinion

 

[Marvin]

I see

 

[mclay18]

We'll Meyer could always finish the book from Edward's prospective as soon as she feels her "artistic integrity" has returned.

Stephanie Meyer seems like a really nice person (I listened to her commentary on Eclipse), but she's not a great writer. There's some things that people are just not good at. The best thing about Meyer is that, like J.K.R., both are successful female writers who have encouraged more children and teenagers to read.

Say what you want about Meyer or Rowling's writing, but that's a pretty good accomplishment in today's environment where kids are using computers, texting, et al..

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I agree that she isn't the greatest writer out there, but she has unique ideas and imagines pretty interesting characters (in my opinion)

 

[Liam_H]

Not what I meant when I wrote that but doesn't matter.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well Underworld has been around close to 10 years. Twilight movies have not.

 

[ironwez20]

Well I see twilight as somthing that all the fans will look back on and say "what were we thinking?" Not being negative but it happens alot.

 

[HallowShield]

Twilight will be just like N*Sync was... a popular fad back in the late '90s, and this will end up as the popular movie fad of the late '00s. In 10 years, or even 5 years, many chicks that adored it will not care to "gloat" about it, and will have their new material or band to be swooning over. The franchise only has made it to the final book/film because it made the women audience get all quivery in their seats to seeing wet abs in the rain, etc. and therefore will flock to the next big thing in a couple of years. (And that's not me trying to sound sexist or anything - it's just the simple truth of the majority of the female or ultra-femme gay guy audience for Twilight Saga in particular.)

 

[Liam_H]

^What your saying applies to guys and their explosions/hot women. This just happens to be a on a lot bigger scale than usual. This reaches a wide range of female demographic since women in their 30s and 40s are just as obsessed. Most women understand what they are but enjoy for what it is.

 

[kickass]

Guys don't get so emotionally attached to their onscreen crushes like teen girls and woman do. You can't compare the male audience of Transformers, for example, to the female audience of Twilight. Already, you can picture a very different state of mind here. The female audience for Twilight are emotionally attached, and sure it is a love story afterall, but to the point where these girls are obsessed and dream about nothing else. The male audience for Transformers are more in the vein of "**** yeah, that was awesome!". They cheer things on as if they were at a Football game.

Before Megan Fox got a bad rap, during the first Transformers, guys loved her and thought she was the hottest thing. But they weren't crying over her. They weren't in some delusional world where they actually thought one day they will marry the girl. They understood what was on screen was seperate from real life. I think a lot of teen girls cannot differeniate the two when it comes to Twilight (or refuse to, purposely) so the line between fiction and reality is blurred.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Aye, but your pal obviously thought there was something important about the franchise having some kind of pop cultural cache that would take them beyond the notion of a 'fad' as time goes on.

All she had to do was say to someone like Amazing Fantasy15(someone who didn't post anything sexist as far as i could see), or whoever it was that brought up the rushed film schedule of the flicks... 'Aye, in fact, you're right, they do seem like a film production that is being rushed through to strike while the iron's hot, probably will be just a fad in the long term. I never thought of it that way.'
Instead of dismissing the entire discussion as silly and all the dissenters as sexist.

anyway, i was just following the discussion with interest, and felt that should be said, instead of folk being dismissed like that.

I never said that this franchise was some huge important thing. The fact of the matter is the films aren't any more or less of a fad than a lot of other movie series that won't be remembered.

Funny how people seem to not acknowlege that I have called both the movies and the books poor but obviously enjoy them despite that for some reason.

I'm not against people bashing Twilight, it should be bashed actually. I'm against the disproportionate amount of bashing that it gets because it is a female thing. Both men and Women hate Twilight so the criticism is not always a sexist thing but most of the criticism on the web and in the web based media is. Transformers, which like Twilight was a bad movie series from the get-go, gets the benefit of the doubt while Twilight is the worst thing ever and shouldn't exist.

So once again, I am only against the disproportionate amount of hatred the series garners and that's it.

Also, I don't care who remembers the Harry Potter films because I don't like the ones that I've seen and found no reason to watch the other ones. I'm glad that they are over so that I don't have to hear about them anymore but that doesn't mean that I going to start calling all of the fans idiots and saying that the series shouldn't exist. Unlike certain people, I'm not going to constantly troll the threads and chat about how much I hate the flicks. I'm not going to do that pathetic **** for four whole years.

 

[ironwez20]

Who's trolling. Have you even read Harry potter? It's very good

 

[C. Lee]

Twilight will be just like N*Sync was... a popular fad back in the late '90s, and this will end up as the popular movie fad of the late '00s. In 10 years, or even 5 years, many chicks that adored it will not care to "gloat" about it, and will have their new material or band to be swooning over. The franchise only has made it to the final book/film because it made the women audience get all quivery in their seats to seeing wet abs in the rain, etc. and therefore will flock to the next big thing in a couple of years. (And that's not me trying to sound sexist or anything - it's just the simple truth of the majority of the female or ultra-femme gay guy audience for Twilight Saga in particular.)

But doing a damn fine job at it anyway......

Guys don't get so emotionally attached to their onscreen crushes like teen girls and woman do. You can't compare the male audience of Transformers, for example, to the female audience of Twilight. Already, you can picture a very different state of mind here. The female audience for Twilight are emotionally attached, and sure it is a love story afterall, but to the point where these girls are obsessed and dream about nothing else. The male audience for Transformers are more in the vein of "**** yeah, that was awesome!". They cheer things on as if they were at a Football game.

Before Megan Fox got a bad rap, during the first Transformers, guys loved her and thought she was the hottest thing. But they weren't crying over her. They weren't in some delusional world where they actually thought one day they will marry the girl. They understood what was on screen was seperate from real life. I think a lot of teen girls cannot differeniate the two when it comes to Twilight (or refuse to, purposely) so the line between fiction and reality is blurred.

I guess you've never been in the Batman boards....or Spider-Man boards....or Superman boards......

A fanatic is a fanatic....whether they be male or female....when someone goes ultrafan on a subject they overdo it. It's just oh so much easier and better to complain about guhrls doing it than macho boys.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I never said that this franchise was some huge important thing.

I never said you did, what I said was that you obviously thought that there was something important about a frachise having some pop cultural cache beyond being a fad. eg, It has some artistic merit and means something to people beyond some kind of superficial attachment.
Otherwise, why would you come into the thread arguing against folk saying it could very well be just a fad?
there was a very good point made about the fast turnover of the movie, so's to strike while the iron is hot.

So, it was pretty obvious you had your opinion changed, and instead of capitualting to that, you just dismissed the discussion as silly, and the dissenters as sexist.

Because it wasn't the posters who had typed up stuff that could be construed as being sexist who changed your opinion, as far as I could see.
Why lump them in with the others as sexist?
I just didn't like seeing a lot of male posters being dismissed as being sexist in one fell swoop, because, of course, that itself is sexist.
There were folk debating with you who were merely commentating on cutural phenomena, that doesn't mean they thought this franchise was frivolous because it had a majority female fandom.

anyway...I thought that was worth saying, I'm sure Andrea Dworkin would have had my back on that one.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Guys don't get so emotionally attached to their onscreen crushes like teen girls and woman do. You can't compare the male audience of Transformers, for example, to the female audience of Twilight. Already, you can picture a very different state of mind here. The female audience for Twilight are emotionally attached, and sure it is a love story afterall, but to the point where these girls are obsessed and dream about nothing else. The male audience for Transformers are more in the vein of "**** yeah, that was awesome!". They cheer things on as if they were at a Football game.

Before Megan Fox got a bad rap, during the first Transformers, guys loved her and thought she was the hottest thing. But they weren't crying over her. They weren't in some delusional world where they actually thought one day they will marry the girl. They understood what was on screen was seperate from real life. I think a lot of teen girls cannot differeniate the two when it comes to Twilight (or refuse to, purposely) so the line between fiction and reality is blurred.

See, you think you are making some kind of smart point about the difference in genders, and how they react to their franchises, but you're just being sexist.

Those same Transformers fans will collect a bunch of children's toys, and put them up on the mantlepiece like grandma's old ornaments that used to put you off your dinner when you were wee.
Those same TF fans will get really wound up and upset when they are beaten on an e-bay bid for a limited edition Optimus Prime Rib Barbeque set who transforms into a garden cook out for all the family.

You will obviously get the odd extreme nutball with any popular franchise, and their behaviour will be the equivalent to that kind of franchise.
Twilight is based around romance right? So, the most extreme nutballs will obsess over having feelings for characters in the movies.
TF is not about romance, it is about big robots, so an equivalent nutball will spend all of his money on children's toys that will never be taken out of their boxes, and hoarded like Smaug's gold, never even used for decoration.

 

[prabap61]

twilight became much famous.is it really that much horror type?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

twilight became much famous.is it really that much horror type?

I only saw the first movie, but from what I could tell it's a series of romance novels that uses the supernatural/horror genre to explore romantic themes.
So, obviously you will get action/supernatural scenes, but the main basis of the tale, and what the story dwells on, is romantic pursuit.

 

[danoyse]

Twilight will be just like N*Sync was... a popular fad back in the late '90s, and this will end up as the popular movie fad of the late '00s. In 10 years, or even 5 years, many chicks that adored it will not care to "gloat" about it, and will have their new material or band to be swooning over. The franchise only has made it to the final book/film because it made the women audience get all quivery in their seats to seeing wet abs in the rain, etc. and therefore will flock to the next big thing in a couple of years. (And that's not me trying to sound sexist or anything - it's just the simple truth of the majority of the female or ultra-femme gay guy audience for Twilight Saga in particular.)

First of all, you're being sexist when you refer to women as "chicks".

Secondly, what you seem to think you know about women makes it sound like you've never actually met one, either.

Third, you want to be even more careful should you to expand upon your "gay comment".

I personally don't like Twilight. I hated the books and thought the movies were almost unwatchable (and yes, I'm a woman). But I know plenty of women who do, who totally admit that even they think the whole thing is silly, but it's fun and they just enjoy it for what is.

And honestly, their response to the guys in these movies has been no better or worse than the obsessive reactions of any fanboy on here.

I don't think we've ever had a problem with Twilight fans here. But we've had all kinds of problems with fanboys posting all kinds of inappropriate (and in some cases, downright disgusting) stuff regarding female actresses. Plus we have to police Twilight thread more than usual to keep out outraged fanboys who can't seem to get it through their skulls that franchises can exist without their approval.

I think Twilight will be around as long as there are teenage girls to read them.