Comics The Un-F%$&k Spidey's History Thread!

[kguillou]

There's soooooo many plotholes and ripple effects, its impossible to name them all. Joe Q HAD to have thought this through before doing this. There's no way he could've really believed that he could just erase the marriage and not have any effect on anything else??? There really needs to be an Epilogue to this thing that explains exactly how the changes are fitting in the marvel continuity.

 

[kguillou]

By the way, here's an interview with quesada that pretty much confirms that harry is back: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12664

 

[SpideyInATree]

Wow. So he did confirm it. That makes NO SENSE at all!

So Ben Reilly is still alive, right, Joe?

Did Pete even JOIN the Avengers?

Doesn't this mean that the entire Marvel Universe is completely changed?

Wow. What were they thinking at that "creative summit"? Where they smoking crack at this creative summit?

You are right kguillou they do need an epilogue for One More Day that goes through the continuity from when the marriage was supposed to take place to present day and let us know EXACTLY what has been changed and what hasn't.

Because sitting down and actually thinking about what could be changed and what COULDN'T is already giving me a headache.

In the words of Norm MacDonald from Dirty Work, "RIDICULOUS!"

 

[dan1]

I'm not gonna say I told you so, but this is why we were nitpicking the less blatant continuity gafs in the last 7 years......because when you give an inch, they take a foot.

And Quesada knows his numbers will keep staying level.

It's too bad people didn't see this or care about this enough to drop the book since Sins Past.

Why oh why do people think we are posting here just to bi tch. We're not, we knew what was coming from that first JMS gaf that Ezekial "was the first time Peter fought side by side with someone so similar."

If you stop caring about continuity, then you do just that. You can't play both sides and wonder later why the bottom has fallen completely out now.

Or you can and be that "obliviously backlashed guy."

Or you can and be that "Well, I'm still gonna read it guy."

All that is left for some of us "Spider-Man Comic book fans" is a pair of cymbals and a wind up mechanism.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm not gonna say I told you so, but this is why we were nitpicking the less blatant continuity gafs in the last 7 years......because when you give an inch, they take a foot.

And Quesada knows his numbers will keep staying level.

It's too bad people didn't see this or care about this enough to drop the book since Sins Past.

Why oh why do people think we are posting here just to bi tch. We're not, we knew what was coming from that first JMS gaf that Ezekial "was the first time Peter fought side by side with someone so similar."

If you stop caring about continuity, then you do just that. You can't play both sides and wonder later why the bottom has fallen completely out now.

Or you can and be that "obliviously backlashed guy."

Or you can and be that "Well, I'm still gonna read it guy."

All that is left for some of us "Spider-Man Comic book fans" is a pair of cymbals and a wind up mechanism.

You knew this was going to happen seven years ago? Where is your time machine? I want it! NOW!!

But seriously...despite this revelation of Harry Osborn magically being alive I'm quite intrigued as to what other events and people will pop up. Even if Dan Slott weren't writing it I'd pick up the first few issues of Brand New Day to just see where the continuity went and how the story would flow.

But even still...Dan Slott is a GREAT writer and he loves Spider-Man. And he's a fantastic continuity guy at Marvel. Probably one of the best in their stable. I'm not really all that worried. I'm just severely disappointed at the blatant "The devil is gonna end the marriage and we're not even going to give a good explanation for it because I just wanted the marriage to end".

Hey...I wanted to see the marriage end too. But not by a horrid retcon.

 

[Apprentice]

How would Peter and MJ not getting married lead to Harry still being alive?

 

[George Berryman]

How would Peter and MJ not getting married lead to Harry still being alive?

That's Joephisto Power!!

 

[SpideyInATree]

How would Peter and MJ not getting married lead to Harry still being alive?

That was my reasoning as well. It seems they are just going to use this marriage retcon to bring back things they feel like they want to bring back. I honestly don't know what they were thinking. You already destroyed a great story in ASM # 400 and now Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 means absolutely nothing.

 

[3dman27]

one thing everybody is overlookingis that mephisto is the prince of lies right?
what if his "reward "to mj is really an attempt to get a new servant like he did to johnny blaze aka the ghost rider?

 

[SpideyInATree]

And you're overlooking the fact that Joe Quesada is going to do whatever he wants to do and doing something like that would be too cool for him. He has to do really dumb and crappy things, remember?

 

[Apprentice]

Also, why would MJ be a superhero?

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't know. Why would they unnecessarily bring Harry Osborn back?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I think people are forgetting the real burning continuity issue... if the clone-saga didn't happen, Norman didn't come back and Reilly is alive, then so is everyone's favorite test-rigging, bearded geneticist and negligent father, Seward Trainer!!!!

.....

*crickets chirp*

Seriously, am I the only Seward Trainer fan?

 

[3dman27]

Also, why would MJ be a superhero?

curiosity perhaps?

 

[farmernudie]

Why is Spidey still in Avengers?

Why "a lot of things".....

I mean....JQ is gonna just pick and choose what things were caught up in the ripple effect and ignore other things that aren't convenient or too mindboggling to change. Mostly because, this story/agenda is not very well thought out. He took the most absurd route to break up the marriage. HE has made Pete and MJ into the Wonder Twits.

Wonder Twit Powers Activate....form of..."DEAL WITH THE DEVIL"...

I mostly surprised that he doesn't care to lose half to 3/4 of his customers (fan base) in achieving his agenda. For all those that say this is just bisuness (which is bologna)...he is making some very contradictary decisions that go against the basics in good business.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Why doesn't he get his "creative team" and create a mini explaining what the hell changed on spidey's history? That way we can understand WHY he did it

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Too late.

Damage done.

Unplug the patient and let him die an honorable death.

 

[wolvie2020]

You know, I think for the 1st time on the Spidey boards, 99% of people here are in agreement!

Wish it was about everyone being happy though

 

[3dman27]

wolvie2020 i'm afraid you are right

 

[Toxin]

As a very casual Spider-man fan who knows little about the continuity (but realizes how ****ed it is) my only insight is this:

what I do know about Spider-man is his foundation in the "great power, great responsibility" tenet.

Marriage, and fatherhood are the greatest responsibilities any man can really enter into. There's no way the Peter Parker we know would shirk those for the sake of a woman who's already died a few times and would not want his marriage to be broken.

Terrible story.

 

[farmernudie]

Since spidey is the hero that is most relatable to many of us, and known for that, I think everyone should step back, and not be too hard on this decision.

He was written very IN character.

As a husband, (and i am sure other guys would agree)...most all of us would deal away our marriages and happiness to the women we love the first chance we got when our elderly aunts get shot.

I can relate to that, and I can also better relate to having my dead friends return to life.

Face it, since being married, none of my friends come around here anymore either. I have no supporting cast. I have no understanding of my marriage, and the little kids I work with run away beffudled with no interest whenever i mention my wife's name!

Even more, I'd rather deal with the devil than get a divorce, because besides the fact that divorce would age me,...divorce takes too much time while the devil gets things done in a snap.

Lastly, I can also relate to divorcing my wife (or devil dealing her) and THEN having HER become a SUPERHERO while i run around my rural town with a reality wiped mind, totally clueless to my past twenty years of marriage.
Not only is it relatable to be clueless, (aren't we all??) but then i wouldn't be jealous of my ex-wifes new superhero outfit either.

Joe should be applauded for bringing back better stories such as this, and for helping us better relate to spidey, in a way I haven't in years.

 

[VuMania]

Question: If the last 20 years were (I'm going to say "rewritten" instead of never happening), then are all the changes of "The Other" null in void? He's already back to mechanical webshooters, is his strength level back to the 10 ton strength range? (I'm a fan of a 20 ton strength level.....probably one of the few Quesada changes I was in favor for) I'll be more than happy to see the stingers go, but I liked the idea of his reflexes being faster, and Spidey being able to sense changes in air currents through the hairs on his body (these changes never translated into interesting stories.....I just kind of like the potential they gave Spidey).

 

[Jamh]

Yeah, they introduced a lot of changes that only had any real effect for the 1 issue where they appeared. I guess since they knew whatever they did would be retconned into oblivion they didn't feel like bothering with digging too deep.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Question: If the last 20 years were (I'm going to say "rewritten" instead of never happening), then are all the changes of "The Other" null in void? He's already back to mechanical webshooters, is his strength level back to the 10 ton strength range? (I'm a fan of a 20 ton strength level.....probably one of the few Quesada changes I was in favor for) I'll be more than happy to see the stingers go, but I liked the idea of his reflexes being faster, and Spidey being able to sense changes in air currents through the hairs on his body (these changes never translated into interesting stories.....I just kind of like the potential they gave Spidey).

We don't know.

 

[Jamh]

No organic webshooters means that the Spider-Man tie-in to "Avengers Disassembled" never happened, which would also imply that he shouldn't be a part of The New Avengers. Also, given "The Other" was pretty much a rip-off of that story it couldn't have happened either, at least not logically.

But who the hell knows what is what anymore?