The Virginity Question

Maybe you shouldn't tell them you're a virgin then. By telling them you're making it their business.:huh:
Well why by just telling them, are you making it their business? :oldrazz: People say things all the time, doesn't mean we should jump in and start messing around with their lives.
 
That's great and all but I have to ask, why should your virginity mean anything to anyone? How does being a virgin make your life better? How are you a better person for being a virgin?

Are you looking for an argument or do you genuinely not understand what I'm saying Phere? Where did I say that being a virgin makes you better than anyone else? What I said is that it's good for a person's virginity to actually mean something to themselves.
 
Maybe you shouldn't tell them you're a virgin then. By telling them you're making it their business.:huh:
Sometimes, people close to you just know. My sister-in-law, who I've know for almost 14 years, asked me the other day when was I going to lose my virginity. She's even tried to introduce me to some of her unattractive cousins. Meanwhile, my brother always tries to turn any kind of friendship I have with a girl into something sexual, regardless of whether I like them or not.
 
This isn't a feminism issue though. My saying that virginity should actually mean something to you has nothing to do with making it out to be this huge defining issue.
What does that mean, though?

And of course I never mean it to be a huge defining issue for anyone, but I think there's something a little warped in believing that you're worth more to someone (not financially, but personality-wise) just because you haven't had sex.

I'm not saying that Hob is like that. :oldrazz: I was a late bloomer myself, but I was simply waiting until I was ready to do it and with someone I trusted. At that age I had stopped looking at my virginity like a commodity. But then again I'm a woman - I have no clue how a guy would approach that.
 
Are you looking for an argument or do you genuinely not understand what I'm saying Phere? Where did I say that being a virgin makes you better than anyone else? What I said is that it's good for a person's virginity to actually mean something to themselves.

But I repeat, why should it mean anything? Like, I don't know how to even say what I'm thinking but it's like, you're a virgin because it means something to you? What does? Is it being with the right girl when you do it? I would think losing your virginity to the "right person" would be secondary to actually being with the right person. What is the point of virginity meaning something to someone?
 
I actually disagree that virginity should mean something to you. It goes back to the days where virginity determined a woman's worth. :o (Feminist here, can you tell?) Still gets me :cmad: when I think about it, especially those purity pledges and whatnot. As long as people are responsible and don't hurt others, doesn't matter to me what they do together in bed. Or don't do in bed. Whichever is the case. :awesome:

Even when I was a virgin, it just meant I hadn't had intercourse yet. It didn't mean I was saving myself for that extra-special person to unwrap. That's like saying I'm only worth something to my partner because I haven't been touched by another man. (Again, the feminism thing.) I just didn't want to jump into things before I was ready. That was my principle.

I don't know, I don't want to offend anybody, but to me, being a virgin holds just about the same importance as being gay. It's something ABOUT you, but it's such a small part of what makes you who you are, I don't understand how many people make it the big deal that it seems to be.
Thats basically my way of looking at it too. When I had the opportunity to have sex in high school, I felt too young. In college, I still didnt feel ready. The idea of maybe getting sick or getting someone pregnant terrified me.

I dont want to preach and I dont expect anyone to stay a virgin as long as I have, but sometimes I think if people showed a little more restraint, we'd have fewer cases of STD and unwanted pregnancies. By all means, use safe sex. But many young people have sex unprepared and suffer some unfortunate consequences.
 
It makes me laugh sometimes. My parents made me go to Catholic classes after school as a kid, no matter how much I told them I hated it. After a while I just accepted that what they were trying to teach me was important and I accepted the lessons, more or less. Now that I'm in the real world, they're surprised that I never did the horizontal polka.

Yes, I said before that Dad doesnt know but Mom did kind of ask a few times what my romantic life was like at school. I was like "The women are beating my door down." :dry:
For me it was sort of the other way around. I got into church about 3 years ago because of a friend of mine, and one day I went out with some other the other younger people to get to know them, and one of them asked if I had all the girls after me. When I told him no and that I was actually shy and stuff, one of them asked me straight up if I was still a virgin, and even though I was a little ashamed to admit, I told them I was, and one of the guys was very genuine when he said he wanted to shake my hand. It really made me feel a little more at ease with all of them since I felt like I was actually being accepted for being a virgin, as opposed to being laughed at.
 
Thats basically my way of looking at it too. When I had the opportunity to have sex in high school, I felt too young. In college, I still didnt feel ready. The idea of maybe getting sick or getting someone pregnant terrified me.

I dont want to preach and I dont expect anyone to stay a virgin as long as I have, but sometimes I think if people showed a little more restraint, we'd have fewer cases of STD and unwanted pregnancies. By all means, use safe sex. But many young people have sex unprepared and suffer some unfortunate consequences.
Oh, I agree. It's not even restraint - there are things that people have made to specially prevent STDs and/or pregnancies. :oldrazz: Some people just don't think. Well, most people in high school don't. :funny:
 
I lost my virginity at 16, to a girl I knew on vacation in Florida. It was exciting at the time but looking back I see it as just a stepping stone. I don't see it as a big deal. We were both virgins and understood it was casual sex. I didn't want a long distance relationship and she didn't eitherr.

My opinion is, I don't care what someone's age is if they know and understand consequences of casual sex. With that said, that's the problem. Many teens around that age don't get it. And people get hurt. That's I don't recommend for most people to do it, but if both sides understand the consequences and feel that they're ready, then it doesn't matter what age (unless it's exaggeratingly low of course. Middle schoolers should not be having sex.)
 
Oh, I agree. It's not even restraint - there are things that people have made to specially prevent STDs and/or pregnancies. :oldrazz: Some people just don't think. Well, most people in high school don't. :funny:

I think "common sense" is the phrase you and I are looking for. :oldrazz:
 
What does that mean, though?

And of course I never mean it to be a huge defining issue for anyone, but I think there's something a little warped in believing that you're worth more to someone (not financially, but personality-wise) just because you haven't had sex.

I'm not saying that Hob is like that. :oldrazz: I was a late bloomer myself, but I was simply waiting until I was ready to do it and with someone I trusted. At that age I had stopped looking at my virginity like a commodity. But then again I'm a woman - I have no clue how a guy would approach that.

You are putting a level of elitism to this that isn't there. Simply waiting until you were ready to do it and with someone you trust is not elitist...it's smart. (Which is all I have been trying to say.)

But I repeat, why should it mean anything? Like, I don't know how to even say what I'm thinking but it's like, you're a virgin because it means something to you? What does? Is it being with the right girl when you do it? I would think losing your virginity to the "right person" would be secondary to actually being with the right person. What is the point of virginity meaning something to someone?

I think the better question is why shouldn't it mean something to you?
 
Sex means something to some and nothing to others. What I'm saying is that people should always try to be on same page when it comes to sex.
 
You are putting a level of elitism to this that isn't there. Simply waiting until you were ready to do it and with someone you trust is not elitist...it's smart. (Which is all I have been trying to say.)
Yes, I think I misunderstood you because of the way I interpreted "virginity meaning something to you." Because being "a virgin" didn't mean something to me, it was just the result of decisions I had made.
 
But I repeat, why should it mean anything? Like, I don't know how to even say what I'm thinking but it's like, you're a virgin because it means something to you? What does? Is it being with the right girl when you do it? I would think losing your virginity to the "right person" would be secondary to actually being with the right person. What is the point of virginity meaning something to someone?


Virginity is overrated.
 
That's not a better question, that's a deflection of a legitimate question.
I think Marx is agreeing with me and Hob in a roundabout way, that we chose to stay virgins longer than what is typical because we wanted to wait until we were ready. That "waiting until we were ready" meant something, even if "being a virgin" wasn't the goal.
 
It's just swapping bodily fluids with somebody. Did you wait until the right time to take a dump in a public toilet?


Same thing really. :o
 
It's just swapping bodily fluids with somebody. Did you wait until the right time to take a dump in a public toilet?

Same thing really. :o
:funny: Exhibit A of how sex means different things to different people

Plus, I'm a chick who doesn't like pain. It takes some trust to know that the guy isn't going to plow me into next Tuesday. :o
 
Guess I will be a virgin forever:( I have a very under developed "you know private part" much too small to do anything with besides urinate & even that can be difficult at times unless I am sitting down. Surgery to correct the problem is to expensive & would only guarantee minimal length results at the most, so attempting to be with any girl would only lead to her hurting my feelings from laughing at it being so small.:(
 
Guess I will be a virgin forever:( I have a very under developed "you know private part" much too small to do anything with besides urinate & even that can be difficult at times unless I am sitting down. Surgery to correct the problem is to expensive & would only guarantee minimal length results at the most, so attempting to be with any girl would only lead to her hurting my feelings from laughing at it being so small.:(
There's someone for everyone. Sounds dumb, but it's true. And you know, there's a lot of things you could do with a girl that don't involve sticking that part up anywhere. Sticking something into a hole is waaay overrated among guys anyway. :funny:
 
im 19 i lost mine when i was 16 , people all ways said its better being a virgin because you expect more about having sex because its not really that good and i didnt believe them.

but when your having sex it really is not that great
 
Virgin out of principle. My question is: Why does someone not having sex piss off other people? I tell people about my choice and they suddenly are starting a fund to get me a hooker. :dry:

It's inevitable that some people will feel a need to validate their own choices by invalidating others. I don't take the "holier-than-thou" tone with people who have had sex just because I abstain for marriage. They've made their choices and it's their own darned business. Unfortunately, people will always become targets for peer pressure based on whatever the current popular standards are. In the old days pre-marital sex was frowned upon, but today it's considered the norm by many people, so we've got competing ideas going around and whichever is less popular is what people are going to be uncomfortable with. I don't see having no sex life ATM as being a problem, I'm not the one who has a problem with it.

Maybe young women go through this too, but as a man I find there's tons of peer pressure if you are a virgin, since the idea of a "man virgin" does not sit well with a lot of men. A lot of people judge your "manliness" by how many notches are on your bedposts, and for someone my age to have not bedded any women, some men would try to claim that there's something wrong and that I need to "fix it." At least if a woman retains her virginity into adulthood by choice it's more likely that she'll be admired for it, but I don't doubt that women who abstain are put under at least as much pressure as men from both sexes to loose their virginity as quickly as possible.

I'm not a woman so I am not going to try and analyze it further than that, but I really have to question where we are headed as a civilization if this attitude continues to be popular. That's not an improvement from shunning people who are sexually active before marriage, it's simply changing who gets shunned and who does the shunning.
 
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