Civil War The "Vision" in Civil War

[Nathan]

Yes, because they wouldn't struggle at all. They'd just be grabbed by Tony, Rhodey and Vision, and go limp.

 

[divan]

So 3 flying guys just go and grab Cap or WS and it's over.

Then what stops CA or Bucky from ripping the Mind Gem out of Vision's head? Or breaking the arc reactor in Iron Man/War Machine's chest? Just "grabing" those two means getting too close, it means exposing yourself to a couple of super-strong, experienced fighters who know where your weak spots are. That's why you need to incapacitate them.

 

[Avid Avenger]

Vision was also...

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...the one to block Team Cap's way at the start of the fight with a solar beam, chased after Falcon, protected War Machine from having a bus being thrown at him and hurt (single-handely) Giant-Man.

I agree with you but I'm 100% sure

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Vision didn't hurt him. Scott just freaked out because he slowly phased through him like a ghost and he didn't know what would happen next. Pretty hilarious t:

Yes 30 secs in a 17 minute scene. They wrote him out of the action because he is OP and completely imbalances the teams so they just avoided showing him.

It's amazing how many times I, and others, have to repeat ourselves. Here it is again, you probably won't pay attention.

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Vision -

He does a bit more than you said. Not particularly fighting but he is present. He saves Black Panther from being hit by a bus. He phases through Ant-Man and destroys the radio tower to prevent Bucky and Steve leaving. He states at the start of the movie that conflict leads to escalation and catastrophe. And as we see, it does. He doesn't want to add to that and is pretty much a pacifist because here there are no wrong sides. He doesn't outright fight or attack anyone in the movie until he accidently hits War Machine. He does take on Scarlet Witch once both teams assemble and collide but I didn't particularly see what he actually does. He's internally conflicted with what he's doing AND his connection with Wanda and it's not until she's injured, and Tony tells him to stop Falcon that he outright attacks someone....and as he said, escalation and catastrophe. He accidently hits War Machine, almost kills him and leaves him paralysed.
Yea, he's an OP character, but his reasons are there for not mowing through them all and the character arc makes it work.

ALSO

Vision wasn't present the whole 17 minute fight scene. He came just before the halfway point, roughly.
"See, they had to write him -"
The dude had to fly across from New York to Germany, he's allowed to be a little late.
"But Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch -"
Yea, they had a head start didn't they? We don't know how long Vision was stuck down that hole before Wandas magic wore off. And they knew where they were going, Vision didn't. He didn't come over to Germany until Tony knew where Cap would be and told him. Tony either then asked him to come and help, or Vision came because he wanted to or to try and prevent escalation.

Vision could have grabbed Cap and flown him off and nobody could have stopped him, no not Wanda easy to deal with.

And saying that, why the hell doesn't Wanda just give everyone a dream. Game over. So many plot holes.

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Superman could have grabbed Batman in a bear hug and flew him high into the air and then explained the entire situation with his mother and Lex. Batman would have no choice but to listen. No need to fight.
But please, defend that one.

Wanda doesn't give everyone a f***ed up dream like last one because she's grown as a character. In AoU, the twins wanted revenge on Stark (and by proxy the Avengers) and was manipulated by Ultron to **** with their minds.
Since then, she's become friends...no, scratch that, family....with most of them. Entering peoples minds and making them see or do things is inherantly wrong. Something she has come to the conclusion with herself, or perhaps Cap and co taught her that and not to do that unless in mortal danger or extreme unless it's absolutley needed. Let's add in the guilt she probably feels now after getting to know them, the painful things she made them see and feel and the outcome of what she did to Banner, which lead to him causing pointless destruction, possibly casualties and totally erasing any confidence and self worth Banner had at controlling the Hulk, who then went on the run and hasn't been seen since.

BAM.

What else you got?

 

[ctsketch]

Then what stops CA or Bucky from ripping the Mind Gem out of Vision's head? Or breaking the arc reactor in Iron Man/War Machine's chest? Just "grabing" those two means getting too close, it means exposing yourself to a couple of super-strong, experienced fighters who know where your weak spots are. That's why you need to incapacitate them.

Vision is vibranium woven.....I doubt cap can just pull that thing out

 

[dyl1dyl]

Seems like Vision and Scarlet Witch are going to be a big part of Infinity War going forward

http://www.slashfilm.com/avengers-infinity-war-relationships/

http://collider.com/avengers-infinity-war-joe-anthony-russo-interview/

 

[marshal99]

Seems like Vision and Scarlet Witch are going to be a big part of Infinity War going forward

http://www.slashfilm.com/avengers-infinity-war-relationships/

http://collider.com/avengers-infinity-war-joe-anthony-russo-interview/

Likely the first 2 casualty of war when thanos comes for that mind gem of vision to complete his infinity gauntlet. When vision goes , so does wanda's powers since her powers and vision entire being are interlinked to that gem.

 

[universeman]

Likely the first 2 casualty of war when thanos comes for that mind gem of vision to complete his infinity gauntlet. When vision goes , so does wanda's powers since her powers and vision entire being are interlinked to that gem.

Vision yes Wanda no she's a Mutant and the Daughter of Magneto.

 

[marshal99]

Vision yes Wanda no she's a Mutant and the Daughter of Magneto.

Not in MCU , she isn't. There's no mutants in the MCU , only "enhanced". She and Quicksilver powers were the product of hydra's experiment with the staff of loki which contains the mind gem.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Likely the first 2 casualty of war when thanos comes for that mind gem of vision to complete his infinity gauntlet. When vision goes , so does wanda's powers since her powers and vision entire being are interlinked to that gem.

I thought so too. But after reading some of the more recent comments the actors as well as the Russos have made, I don't think they're going to be the first casualties, especially Scarlet Witch. I think Vision might be the casualty right at the end of Part 1 but Scarlet Witch is going to be around until the end of part 2

 

[universeman]

Not in MCU , she isn't. There's no mutants in the MCU , only "enhanced". She and Quicksilver powers were the product of hydra's experiment with the staff of loki which contains the mind gem.

I know but still I like that she is his Daughter, also I'm hoping FOX brings in the Scarlet Witch in the X-Men films, and who knows what Singer could do with her I mean look at Quicksilver.

 

[Marvel]

Loved Vision but my only complaint is that they still haven't explained to general audiences what he can do. Seriously, we comic book fans know and have to turn and explain it to people watching the film. Why not a scene to explain his powers after two movies?

 

[Raiden]

I know but still I like that she is his Daughter, also I'm hoping FOX brings in the Scarlet Witch in the X-Men films, and who knows what Singer could do with her I mean look at Quicksilver.

I don't really like what Singer did with QS in DOFP.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

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I kind of wonder why Vision or War Machine weren't in Nigeria with the team to get Rumlow. Only answer I could come up with is they needed to have a bit of stealth and those 2 aren't the most inconspicuous of the group.

 

[Cassandra Cain]

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I kind of wonder why Vision or War Machine weren't in Nigeria with the team to get Rumlow. Only answer I could come up with is they needed to have a bit of stealth and those 2 aren't the most inconspicuous of the group.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering the same thing. Unless Vision has always refrained from fighting unless it was absolutely necessary (he's on the side of life, so the less chance of casualties the better). And maybe Rodey was on another mission for the military (as he used to be when he was Iron Patriot). Then again he became an official Avenger at the end of AoU, so he's probably retired from military duties. Yeah, your theory probably makes the most sense.

 

[The_Manhunter]

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I kind of wonder why Vision or War Machine weren't in Nigeria with the team to get Rumlow. Only answer I could come up with is they needed to have a bit of stealth and those 2 aren't the most inconspicuous of the group.

Ya I was very confused with that as well. Your theory makes sense though, but it's still kinda lame that they weren't there.

I really hope Vision has a huge role in IW, I can't get enough of him - he's my favorite Avenger.

 

[Tony Stark]

Not in MCU , she isn't. There's no mutants in the MCU , only "enhanced". She and Quicksilver powers were the product of hydra's experiment with the staff of loki which contains the mind gem.

Not just the MCU, they are no longer mutants and not the children of Magneto in the comics. They are altered humans by the high evolutionary.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Everyone loved Vision. I ope we et a Viz movie one day. Such a unique and beauty character.

Russos said it's possible in Phase 4!

http://mcuexchange.com/russo-brothe...tch-vision-and-more-in-avengers-infinity-war/

 

[ciscostudent561]

I don't really like what Singer did with QS in DOFP.

what, let him live?
lol, sorry i had too

 

[Cassandra Cain]

I really hope Vision has a huge role in IW, I can't get enough of him - he's my favorite Avenger.

I don't see why he wouldn't have a very significant role, considering one of the stones that Thanos needs is in his forehead. I suspect both Vision and Scarlet Witch will have pretty big roles considering their connection to the Mind Stone.

Russos said it's possible in Phase 4!

http://mcuexchange.com/russo-brothe...tch-vision-and-more-in-avengers-infinity-war/

If Vision survives IW...although it would be a huge disadvantage, both financially and fan-based wise, to kill off such an integral character.

 

[metaphysician]

Loved Vision but my only complaint is that they still haven't explained to general audiences what he can do. Seriously, we comic book fans know and have to turn and explain it to people watching the film. Why not a scene to explain his powers after two movies?

Honestly, I don't think they really have to. Part of his schtick is being weird, and they've had him be weird in a very specific and consistent way that communicates what he does, without needing true exposition on the manner.

 

[Overman27pj]

I loved Vision's quiet contemplation in the end. I think he was thinking of what Love is, and how he feels for Wanda. He didn't know he could be distracted could easily read he didn't know he could be in love. I love it.

I'm not sure how you reconcile those two, or in what movie, but I'm fairly certain Vision is what brings Thanos to Earth. He will be the first one to go. Maybe Wanda can save him somehow? Instill him with powers?

If you take away the mindstone does Vision die, or just become an android?

 

[Cassandra Cain]

I loved Vision's quiet contemplation in the end. I think he was thinking of what Love is, and how he feels for Wanda. He didn't know he could be distracted.

Easily one of my favorite parts of the movie. It's pretty obvious at this point that the MCU will be translating their version of the SW/Vision relationship from the comics, and how the seeds are already being sown.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I was never a big fan of Vision. I always thought he was rather dull. But through two films, I love the Paul Bettany version. He's one of my favorite MCU characters, which is something that I never thought would happen.

 

[dyl1dyl]

According to Paul Bettany, Vision feels real love and affection for Wanda. Vision and the Scarlet Witch Phase 4 would be a dream come true. He doesn't need that Infinity Stone to survive..... I hope

http://comicbook.com/2016/05/10/captain-america-civil-wars-paul-bettany-explains-the-visions-mis/

 

[Adder]

Vision getting ripped apart by Thanos near the end of IW part 1 would certainly be a great way to show off Thanos' power levels and end the movie on the darker tone i think it needs.