The Wrestling Thread Can Wrestle MICHAEL COLE If It Wants To!! - Part 106

[Hunter Rider]

 

[sweetre15]

In the words of Ron Simmons - DAMN!!

 

[sweetre15]

Now that you're here Hunter, Were you more entertained by Smackdown's storylines or Raw's during Ruthless Aggression?....during the Pre-Cena portion of it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He was worse post-2008 though, I mean his title reigns back then seemed never ending but he did make Batista and put over Benoit and Cena, which is a lot more than he has done for anyone in the last 5 years.

I dunno. I haven't seen anything from him the past 5 years that's "bad". He's had some real entertaining runs.

 

[Lobo]

I just saw this edit of the Sami Zayn vs Cesaro (their 2nd match) from NXT. Anyone here have the full match? Also kudos to whomever edited this.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now that you're here Hunter, Were you more entertained by Smackdown's storylines or Raw's during Ruthless Aggression?....during the Pre-Cena portion of it.

Smackdown had the far better wrestler's and was more entertaining as the talent focus was spread, where as Raw was all Triple H all the time and featured dreadful feuds with Steiner and Goldberg. The only bright spots for Raw at the time were HBK and the brief spell where Benoit was WWE champion.

I dunno. I haven't seen anything from him the past 5 years that's "bad". He's had some real entertaining runs.

I haven't enjoyed anything he has done since 2006 because I think the second quad injury took away the performer he was and he's a terrible face. However my personal preferences aside Hardy, Orton, Sheamus and Punk all suffered from Triple H's ego post-2008 and he hasn't helped a single guy in that time, people ***** and moan about "SuperCena" but he's done more for other talents in that time than Triple H.

 

[sweetre15]

Smackdown had the far better wrestler's and was more entertaining as the talent focus was spread, where as Raw was all Triple H all the time and featured dreadful feuds with Steiner and Goldberg. The only bright spots for Raw at the time were HBK and the brief spell where Benoit was WWE champion.

Don't forget that Raw had a great divas division with Molly Holly, Trish, Lita, Jazz, Victoria, and Mickie James.

The only consistent flaw of Smackdown at the time was that they had divas like Torrie Wilson and Dawn Marie participating in boneheaded bisexual angles thanks to Stephanie McMahon lol.

Otherwise Smackdown was the A-show in terms of quality for quite a while until the later half of 2005 when the angles got a bit more Bone headed.

 

[X Knight]

who's the girl in the turtles outfit?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

who's the girl in the turtles outfit?

Velvet Sky, the future Mrs. Nell2ThaIzzay

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I haven't enjoyed anything he has done since 2006 because I think the second quad injury took away the performer he was and he's a terrible face. However my personal preferences aside Hardy, Orton, Sheamus and Punk all suffered from Triple H's ego post-2008 and he hasn't helped a single guy in that time, people ***** and moan about "SuperCena" but he's done more for other talents in that time than Triple H.

And this comes around to our fundamental disagreement about wrestling, as I don't think that taking the pin or not for someone is going to effect things one way or another.

Orton, Sheamus, and Punk all did well for themselves without ever getting over on Triple H, and at one point or another, every single one of these guys was the #2 guy behind only Cena -after- their work with Triple H, and Punk currently is the #2 guy and has been for the better part of 2 years now.

And the only reason why Orton isn't higher status now has nothing to do with Triple H and everything to do with his own problems that he's been causing for himself.

To me, this is just another perfect example of "getting the pin doesn't make the guy, the guy makes the guy". Triple H didn't do the job for any of these guys, and yet, they have all gone on to great success in the company since working with Triple H.

Now I do agree on one thing - if I was in charge of booking, CM Punk would have continued / restarted his feud against Triple H going into WrestleMania that year, and CM Punk would have gone over on Triple H that year at WrestleMania, but on the whole, I just can't hold the same grudge towards Triple H that everyone else does.

 

[sweetre15]

And this comes around to our fundamental disagreement about wrestling, as I don't think that taking the pin or not for someone is going to effect things one way or another.

Orton, Sheamus, and Punk all did well for themselves without ever getting over on Triple H, and at one point or another, every single one of these guys was the #2 guy behind only Cena -after- their work with Triple H, and Punk currently is the #2 guy and has been for the better part of 2 years now.

And the only reason why Orton isn't higher status now has nothing to do with Triple H and everything to do with his own problems that he's been causing for himself.

To me, this is just another perfect example of "getting the pin doesn't make the guy, the guy makes the guy". Triple H didn't do the job for any of these guys, and yet, they have all gone on to great success in the company since working with Triple H.

Now I do agree on one thing - if I was in charge of booking, CM Punk would have continued / restarted his feud against Triple H going into WrestleMania that year, and CM Punk would have gone over on Triple H that year at WrestleMania, but on the whole, I just can't hold the same grudge towards Triple H that everyone else does.

I agree with both of what you guys say to an extent. Wins don't necessarily make the guy, HOWEVER if it's makes sense for the feud then said talent should be the one to go over. And HHH slapping Orton around in their feuds honestly didn't make sense with the stories.

Anyway Nell, I don't know if this is pointed out yet but, Isn't it a bit funny that one of HHH's biggest critics on this thread shares his Kayfabe first name with him? I just think that's funny. Maybe they can have a match at WM31 aka The Battle of the Hunters. XD

 

[Slushy]

Helmsley not jobbing to Orton at Wrestlemania 25 was a bogus decision.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I disagree with both of what you guys say to an extent. Wins don't necessarily make the guy, HOWEVER if it's makes sense for the feud then said talent should be the one to go over. And HHH slapping Orton around in their feuds honestly didn't make sense with the stories.

Anyway Nell, I don't know if this is pointed out yet but, Isn't it a bit funny that one of HHH's biggest critics on this thread shares his Kayfabe first name with him? I just think that's funny. Maybe they can have a match at WM31 aka The Battle of the Hunters. XD

Oh I get that when the story makes sense, the guy has to go over. Perfect example with Ziggler.

He's gotten himself over, and at some point, the trigger has to be pulled while the iron is hot. But Ziggler hasn't really gotten that win yet, and still, he's over. Cuz it's not about the wins, it's about the talent.

But when a guy gets himself to that point, then yes, you gotta pull the trigger and give them those meaningful wins.

In the case with CM Punk and Triple H, Triple H going over Punk wasn't the problem, but kayfabe wise there was really no closure to the CM Punk aspect of that storyline, and with Punk getting himself over the way he did, Punk getting over on Triple H would have made sense.

As far as Orton goes, I really had no problems with Triple H winning that match against Orton at Wrestlemania. I'm not exactly sure what the huge problem was in that one. And I think Orton did get the final win anyways, didn't he? At Extreme Rules? He just didn't go over at Mania.

But even if Triple H didn't take the pin at Wrestlemania, I still think that feud was a net positive for Orton, because that's the feud that developed the psycho Randy persona that got him incredibly over.

 

[Bad Superman]

From: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1712198-wwe-2k14-additions-that-make-this-a-must-own-game


WWE 2K14: Additions That Make This a Must-Own Game
By Donald Wood

on July 22, 2013


The release of WWE 2K14, the latest installment in the wrestling company’s video game series, is scheduled for October 29, 2013, and the excitement is through the roof about the new changes to the franchise.

With the addition of 2K Sports as the game developer, per the company’s official website, the WWE series is expected to make leaps and bounds in terms of gameplay and features.

The excitement from the wrestling community about the innovations brought in by a major company like 2K Sports will make this game an instant classic. These are the additions fans are most excited about.



The Ultimate Warrior is Back



For the first time since the WWE video games became a series, WWE 2K14 will feature the legendary Ultimate Warrior, per the company’s YouTube page.

While Warrior is only available to fans that pre-order the game—likely added as a downloadable character that the rest will have to pay for later—having a chance to play as the fan favorite with authentic attire and moveset will have genuine wrestling fans excited.



The tension between the Ultimate Warrior and the WWE has been well documented, even acknowledged in the WWE.com interview with the superstar. But to open up the amazing character to a new generation of fans is a great way to bury the hatchet.

The hope now is that the fans that enjoy playing as the Ultimate Warrior will get to finally see him inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year.

Until then, controlling the character in WWE 2K14 will have to suffice.



The Macho Man is in the Building

Another superstar that has been stifled by the WWE in the video games is Macho Man Randy Savage. But WWE 2K14 has officially added him to the roster for all wrestling fans to enjoy.

With some of the most colorful attires, a legendary song and entrance and a moveset that would make any fan with the desire for nostalgia excited for this year’s game, there is little doubt that many wrestling marks will be swayed to buy this game because of Macho Man.

Savage was another WWE Superstar who reportedly had trouble with the company, per Rajah.com. But after watching McMahon patch things up with veterans like Bruno Sammartino and the Ultimate Warrior, maybe the next step is a Macho Man induction into the Hall of Fame.

While we wait for his deserved induction, the video game allows the fans to craft dream feuds with the legend.



Gameplay Improvements


Last year’s edition of the WWE franchise was a step in the right direction, but the addition of the 2K Sports team to the series and the innovations the company has mastered will turn the WWE 2K series into something fans find flat-out amazing.

Not only have the developers made fundamental improvements to character navigation, basic striking and the reversal system, but 2K Sports has also added catapult finishers and incorporated more OMG Moments into the 2014 edition of the game, per Aubrey Sitterson on the company’s official website.

The biggest improvement is the two-count bug fix that should add much more intrigue to the gameplay. With last year’s failure in one of the most interesting aspects of the games—kicking out at the last second is what makes wrestling great—there are high expectations for the upgrades.

With 2K Sports’ track record, this should be an excellent title.

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After last year's game, I wasn't planning on getting this one, but I'm having second thoughts. . . . . .

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I just want to know what they are doing with Universe Mode.

WWE '13 added a lot of the housekeeping stuff that was missing from WWE '12 (more control over rosters and editing shows, the ability to restart a Universe without wiping out your entire save file), but regressed immensely with the gameplay element of it. Cut scenes were fewer and farther between, with less variety amongst them negating the stories and feuds that were supposed to develop.

I want to see WWE '12's feud and storybuilding, with WWE '13's housekeeping, as well as other hopeful improvements.

 

[Bad Superman]

I just want to know what they are doing with Universe Mode.

WWE '13 added a lot of the housekeeping stuff that was missing from WWE '12 (more control over rosters and editing shows, the ability to restart a Universe without wiping out your entire save file), but regressed immensely with the gameplay element of it. Cut scenes were fewer and farther between, with less variety amongst them negating the stories and feuds that were supposed to develop.

I want to see WWE '12's feud and storybuilding, with WWE '13's housekeeping, as well as other hopeful improvements.

I hope they bring those too.

One of the features I truly miss from No Mercy is the CAW edit. You could "update" the roster or create new CAW's by copying any of the roster's wrestlers.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Can't you do that now? I'm pretty sure you can.

 

[sweetre15]

Word has it that Eric Bischoff is head of TNA creative for now.....With Bischoff's track record I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

 

[sweetre15]

- Former WWE Vice President of Television Production John Gaburick has been taking on many of Bruce Prichard's roles in TNA, reports ProWrestling.net. Gaburick joined the company in June, and was named the Executive Vice President of Television Production.

This past week, he was reported to have been very hands on with the Destination X television special, and was running production from the gorilla position. Several people backstage noticed a more "positive vibe" with Gaburick in charge.

According to ProWrestling.net, Dixie Carter, Jeff Jarrett, TNA CFO Dean Broadhead and EVP Andy Barton were all backstage at last week's Impact Wrestling, and spoke to the entire TNA locker room about possibly continuing with budget cuts, warning everyone that they were still being evaluated.

In the meeting, Dixie claimed one of the major reasons for the cuts and restructuring were how much money they spent taping all the One Night Only pay-per-views earlier this year. These shows were pre-recorded in place of the eight pay-per-view events that TNA cut from their annual schedule, in order to save money.

- The official WWE website has a poll asking visitors whether Dolph Ziggler is better off without AJ Lee. Of over 16,000 votes casts, 76% say “Yes, AJ Lee was holding The Showoff back from his full potential” compared to 24% for “No, Ziggler was at his peak with the Divas Champion by his side.”

 

[Pink Ranger]

who's the girl in the turtles outfit?

Velvet Sky, the future Mrs. Nell2ThaIzzay

The best part is, Nell also has a ninja turtles outfit, and it is good for a relationship for couples to dress alike.

 

[The Sage]

As noted earlier, Dixie Carter addressed the TNA talents prior to Thursday's Impact tapings about possibly continuing with their budget cuts. Also in attendance were Jeff Jarrett, TNA CFO Dean Broadhead and EVP Andy Barton.

Dixie noted that one of the reasons for the cuts and restructuring were how much money they spent taping all the One Night Only pay-per-view events earlier this year. These shows were pre-recorded in place of the eight pay-per-view events that TNA cut from their annual schedule, in order to save money.

New Executive Vice President of Television Production John Gaburick received strong praise within the locker room. Talents acknowledged the more positive vibe with Gaburick compared to when recently released executive Bruce Prichard was in that role.

Source: ProWrestling.Net

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/376531618.php

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The best part is, Nell also has a ninja turtles outfit, and it is good for a relationship for couples to dress alike.

Duh.

Almost sounds like you're saying that as a bad thing.

This is real life bro. Real life.

 

[NDX]

I just saw this edit of the Sami Zayn vs Cesaro (their 2nd match) from NXT. Anyone here have the full match? Also kudos to whomever edited this.

If this is the match we see on RAW for Zane's debut, Cesaro would come off as a beast and Zane would be instantly over with the crowd. Let them go for 15 minutes and give the fans a show, give them a reason to care about what they guy can offer.

 

[TripleR]

Noticing the Triple H debate here recently there's one point that I've made here before that I think deserves repeating.

I totally agree that he should have put Punk over in the end, but I don't agree with the common thought that his inclusion in the angle was just so HHH could latch onto someone's popularity. I really think his inclusion was in a way needed.

At the time they were really pushing Punks pipe bomb promo style and anti-establishment nature. The feud with Cena was too young to completely run into the ground and there were really limited options for who else could go toe to toe with Punk on the mic. Alberto or Miz or almost anyone else would've been completely outclassed by Punk, not to mention not nearly provide him with enough material for kayfabe breaking pipe bomb promos.

Some of my favorite parts of that angle were Punk saying things we've all been thinking, and HHH was the perfect verbal sparring partner for that. I really feel Hunter's involvement kept Punks momentum going because he gave Punk someone to really go after in promos, while being good enough to not be outmatched. Again, I agree and wish that HHH ended up putting him over in the ring in the end, but I still think the whole thing still benefitted Punk because it gave him plenty of ammunition that he used in some great promos to further his character.

 

[TripleR]

On a side note, my username isn't just based on my HHH fandom, those are actually my initials lol.