The Wrestling Thread Is A Victim Of Greatness

[TX85]

Wow!! Samuray Del Sol OFFICIALLY UNMASKS!!

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Damn,I wish WWE embraced masked&face painted characters more,Yeah there's already Kane/Rey Mysterio&Sin Cara But Rey only wrestles a few times a year or so due to always getting injured and Sin Cara is hardly used now.

They screwed ADR/Hunico&Ricardo Rodriguez by taking away their masked personas and now with Generico and Samuray..Who has a badass masked!

I'd love to see a Bane inspired(comic version)character,A big powerhouse guy that wears a lucha mask But is actually intelligent.

 

[sweetre15]

News updates:

-- The SmackDown script was rewritten over the day yesterday and wasn't finalized until about two hours before the show began taping. The same thing happened at RAW on Monday.

-- It was revealed during Tuesday night's WWE SmackDown tapings that WWE Divas champion Kaitlyn's secret admirer will be showing up in person on Monday's RAW to reveal himself.

-- CM Punk will return at the Payback PPV. It's not a storyline tease that doesn't pay off, as he will be back on the road starting then. There was talk several weeks ago of having Punk turn on Heyman for setting up the Payback match without his approval. Punk would then go on to face both of Paul Heyman's clients - Axel at Money in the Bank and Lesnar at SummerSlam. Obviously, that would turn CM Punk babyface and he'll already be getting a babyface reaction in Chicago so it makes sense. We'll see in the coming weeks.


-- WWE World Heavyweight champion Dolph Ziggler will return on RAW next Monday night. As noted yesterday here on the website, he has been cleared to return to the ring and will be continuing his feud with Alberto Del Rio.

-- Vince McMahon didn't appear to be angry about the RAW rating last night, at least he didn't show it in front of the roster.

-- Zack Ryder received a huge reaction at last night's SmackDown taping because it was in his hometown. Meanwhile, the company has a plan for him soon, which is why he's growing his hair out.

-- WWE is reportedly shifting focus once again to rebuild the tag team division. With The Shield (Rollins/Reigns) holding the titles, The Uso's are going to be built up as challengers to their titles in the near future.

-- The company is also planning to experiment with some unused undercard talent, and will form some teams with those wrestlers. Luke Harper and Erick Rowan will be coming up as members of the Wyatt Family, and they may also be used in the tag team scene.

-- The third Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H match was originally scheduled to take place at the upcoming WWE Payback PPV. Due to The Rock being injured and CM Punk taking time off, WWE moved that match up to Extreme Rules.

-- At this time, Lesnar is not expected back on WWE TV until the build to SummerSlam begins. The Money in the Bank PPV takes place July 14th, and SummerSlam is set for August 18th.

- Jack Swagger, who has been off of WWE TV for about three weeks now, has been pulled from all upcoming WWE events until June 29th. Swagger returns to court on June 25th for the DUI arrest that took place several weeks before WrestleMania.

Source: Ewrestlingnews

 

[chamber-music]

I actually like all these updates.

CM Punk back as a face makes sense.

Focus on the Tag Division is good. They should really drum home the prestige of the titles and stop jobbing out the tag team champs like they sometimes do (although they won't be doing that with the shield).

I wonder if Zack Ryder is going to get a a updated character? The Jersey Shore thing is played out.

Looks like I might start watching again.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I wouldn't mind Punk beating Axel, but I think Lesnar should end up beating Punk at SummerSlam.

 

[Mr.?]

I wouldn't mind Punk beating Axel, but I think Lesnar should end up beating Punk at SummerSlam.

I'de rather Axel beat Punk via Lesnar interference then Punk beat Lesnar at Summerslam.

 

[TX85]

Zack Ryder should turn heel and join 3MB to be..4MB

 

[Pink Ranger]

I wonder if Zack Ryder is going to get a a updated character? The Jersey Shore thing is played out.

Looks like I might start watching again.

Zack Ryder's gimmick is such that he can easily transition to another one without too much explanation. I figure he would make a good "cool rockstar big brother" character similar to what John Morrison was before he left.

 

[the dmg]

Damn,I wish WWE embraced masked&face painted characters more,Yeah there's already Kane/Rey Mysterio&Sin Cara But Rey only wrestles a few times a year or so due to always getting injured and Sin Cara is hardly used now.

They screwed ADR/Hunico&Ricardo Rodriguez by taking away their masked personas and now with Generico and Samuray..Who has a badass masked!

It's strange because masks can sell like crazy, so you would think WWE sees the dollar signs when guys wrestle with masks.

I see the optimism because Mystico was supposed to be taking Rey's place, but they rushed him before he could adjust to the WWE style. Since most of their farmed talent aren't world traveled, they're not used to that kind of style. Now, he's been either injured, jobber, or left off of TV.

Remember when he was going to get a shot at the IC title like two weeks ago? WWE doesn't.

Random, but what are people's thoughts on Curtis Axel (McSillyputty)?

 

[TheFuture]

Punk should turn face, but I'd still prefer if it was Heyman who did the betrayal. Having it as a simple case of Heyman organising a match without his permission doesn't feel strong enough for me.

I think it'd be cool if Axel and Heyman did a beat down of Punk either to cost him the match or after the match. Has Jericho beaten Punk yet? Maybe Punk could lose for whatever reason and while looking dejected in the ring, Axel attacks him. Then Heyman would come out on Raw and say Punk has become weak and has lost his way.

 

[sweetre15]

All I can say is WWE should hopefully learn one lesson this year round and that is being counterproductive because you have part-timers people want to see doesn't always work if its crappily put together. They had almost undone all of the progress they were making with mid,undercard, and tag team divisions when they got COMPLETELY lazy during the Road to Wrestlemania. Just make the part timers play a part in what's going on without dropping everything else they were striving for because when it's all over they won't have to go back to square one.

 

[OnTheAir]

Random, but what are people's thoughts on Curtis Axel (McSillyputty)?

I think he has talent, but has a LONG way to go before he's in his father's class. Further, he doesn't have a fraction of his father's charisma.

I don't like him being a "Heyman guy." He just doesn't feel like one to me. I think putting him with a manager is the right move, but Heyman's not the right one for him. Pairing him with Heyman places him in the spotlight immediately, and he's not ready for that. I understand that putting the Shield directly into the spotlight has paid off, but that strategy isn't going to work for everyone. I would have put Axel with someone like Flair, who had a history with his father, and then had him feud with Kofi or Miz or even Del Rio. But having him go against two future hall of famers in his first matches after the repackaging, and then win those matches on cheap countout victories, isn't really doing much for him, in my opinion.

 

[sweetre15]

I think he has talent, but has a LONG way to go before he's in his father's class. Further, he doesn't have a fraction of his father's charisma.

I don't like him being a "Heyman guy." He just doesn't feel like one to me. I think putting him with a manager is the right move, but Heyman's not the right one for him. Pairing him with Heyman places him in the spotlight immediately, and he's not ready for that. I understand that putting the Shield directly into the spotlight has paid off, but that strategy isn't going to work for everyone. I would have put Axel with someone like Flair, who had a history with his father, and then had him feud with Kofi or Miz or even Del Rio. But having him go against two future hall of famers in his first matches after the repackaging, and then win those matches on cheap countout victories, isn't really doing much for him, in my opinion.

It would also have been cool if like Bobby The Brain could have returned as his manager but he doesn't sound or look the same these days.

Also does anyone think that James Mitchell would be a good addition to the Wyatt Family's act? I know they don't need mouthpieces and all but still..

 

[Anno_Domini]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/273429-randy-orton-speaks-on-frustration-with-his-current-wwe-position-cenas-5-moves-of-doom-new-talent-in-wwe-daniel-bryan-and-more

WWE star Randy Orton recently appeared on the Busted Open Satellite Radio show hosted by Dave Lagreca and Doug Mortman, which you can check out on Sirius 92, XM 208 and on the Sports Zone app. Below are some interview highlights:

...A John Cena story:

"I tagged with him, last week or the week before, on a Raw Supershow, or a live event Supershow, both rosters were there. And we're out there in the ring. And it's me, Cena, and somebody. Maybe Kofi or Sheamus, against Big Show, Mark Henry, and somebody else, I forget. And Cena says, 'Can you do a dropkick tonight?' And I go, uhh, yeah. Can you? And he goes; and we're in the ring! Like, we're about to—the bells about to ring. And he's starting, and he goes, 'Alright, I'm gonna tag you in in a second. Let's do a double drop kick.' Now I'm thinking in my head, 'This motherf-cker don't need to be doing no dropkicks.' That's what I'm thinking. So he tags me in, ducks a punch from Show, Show turns around. Before I can even step through the ropes, Cena is up in the air dropkicking Show. And I'm like, looking at him, I thought you said a double dropkick? So, next time he calls anything, I'm gonna think twice. Because I ended up jumping up in the air, while Shows already on the ground, and just landing on my head. So it was a double dropkick where he (Cena) went and I then I slip- Oh-Oh-I tried to get—nope. So everyone in the back, I come back and they were like, (clapping) 'Great dropkick.' I watched it back, and it looks like I just jumped up in the air as high as I can and then land. Nothing happened; I just jumped up and fell. It was brutal. Thank you, John Cena."

I'de rather Axel beat Punk via Lesnar interference then Punk beat Lesnar at Summerslam.

I think Lesnar should be getting at least a couple more wins as there's no telling when he'll be done with WWE, so as many wins as Lesnar can get, that will be just fine. Curtis Axel, even if he loses to Punk, they can always fight again where Axel goes over. There's no telling if there would ever be a Lesnar/Punk II.

 

[sweetre15]

- The Triple H concussion storyline was reportedly pushed up from this year’s SummerSlam pay-per-view. This could mean that the Triple H vs. Curtis Axel match was planned for SummerSlam but is being done at Payback now.

- Vince McMahon’s new idea in dealing with the NBA destroying them in ratings is for someone to try and get the 2014 NBA schedule ahead of time so that WWE can book Monday dates opposite of NBA games in “hot” cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and others.

Vince’s idea is that if RAW is going up against a strong game and wrestling fans tune in and see, for example, a Philly crowd going nuts on RAW, they won’t switch the channel.

Read more: http://www.pwmania.com/backstage-ne...cmahons-latest-idea-for-wwe-raw#ixzz2VOV5MxtV

 

[I'm Venom]

Things just got interesting.

This is from the new Wrestling Observer by Dave Meltzer.

For those who think the company doesn’t see Daniel Bryan as a main eventer, right now the main event for Money in the Bank on July 14th in Philadelphia is Bryan vs. John Cena, with Bryan not being a heel, as the title match. As you should be aware, everything is subject to change. It’s pretty much a sure thing Bryan will be cheered in that match, given the city, and they’re fully aware of that. The impression is they won’t make him a heel, but that’s certainly something that can change. The goal for the next two months is try to make Cena a legend by beating Rock, surviving Ryback, and then having a match of the year with Bryan.

That sounds amazing. I hope they go through with it. Money In The Bank is one of the better shows of the year, but that match would put it over the top.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yah, let's make Cena a legend...you know, the guy that's won the WWE title so many times and apparently that doesn't make him a legend for the company.

And I wouldn't put it past WWE to make Bryan a heel going up against Cena.

 

[The Sage]

I think he has talent, but has a LONG way to go before he's in his father's class. Further, he doesn't have a fraction of his father's charisma.

I don't like him being a "Heyman guy." He just doesn't feel like one to me. I think putting him with a manager is the right move, but Heyman's not the right one for him. Pairing him with Heyman places him in the spotlight immediately, and he's not ready for that. I understand that putting the Shield directly into the spotlight has paid off, but that strategy isn't going to work for everyone. I would have put Axel with someone like Flair, who had a history with his father, and then had him feud with Kofi or Miz or even Del Rio. But having him go against two future hall of famers in his first matches after the repackaging, and then win those matches on cheap countout victories, isn't really doing much for him, in my opinion.

It's not, and your idea of pairing Axel with Flair would've made more sense. If Cena or HHH could put him over and have him lose in a strong fashion, it would go a long way. But it does feel way too soon to be putting him in main-events.

 

[sweetre15]

Things just got interesting.



That sounds amazing. I hope they go through with it. Money In The Bank is one of the better shows of the year, but that match would put it over the top.

Stuff done got real, I was hoping for Summerslam but I can get behind this.

 

[The Sage]

Things just got interesting.



That sounds amazing. I hope they go through with it. Money In The Bank is one of the better shows of the year, but that match would put it over the top.

Agreed, though Bryan losing would be the wrong decision. And making Cena a legend? He's already a future Hall of Famer. He's beaten Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Randy Orton, Edge, Batista, and the Rock. That's enough on his resume.

They should be aiming to make Daniel Bryan a legend. Cena's track record is already set.

Yah, let's make Cena a legend...you know, the guy that's won the WWE title so many times and apparently that doesn't make him a legend for the company.

And I wouldn't put it past WWE to make Bryan a heel going up against Cena.

They'll try, but it won't work.

I've got a feeling we'll see Cena vs Bryan and CM Punk vs Axel at MITB.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I wonder when Punk will get back to the title picture and as a face.

 

[the dmg]

I think he has talent, but has a LONG way to go before he's in his father's class. Further, he doesn't have a fraction of his father's charisma.

Agreed. I'm glad he's finally using the Perfect Plex over his neckbreaker, which look more like a signature move than a finisher.

I don't like him being a "Heyman guy." He just doesn't feel like one to me. I think putting him with a manager is the right move, but Heyman's not the right one for him. Pairing him with Heyman places him in the spotlight immediately, and he's not ready for that.

The thing with this pairing is that I think it's either going to turn out to be some kind of ruse, where Heyman is using him for some other means. The way he's being booked makes me think it. Count out victories over big names, while he beat a few undercard talents, so I think something is up.

On the other hand, I like that Heyman talks up his wins and inflates the guy's ego where he thinks he's hot ****. He hasn't done bad on the mic either, IMO.

I understand that putting the Shield directly into the spotlight has paid off, but that strategy isn't going to work for everyone. I would have put Axel with someone like Flair, who had a history with his father, and then had him feud with Kofi or Miz or even Del Rio. But having him go against two future hall of famers in his first matches after the repackaging, and then win those matches on cheap countout victories, isn't really doing much for him, in my opinion.

It's even crazy that he just kind of went from being nowhere to ME status. That's the WWE for ya.

- Vince McMahon’s new idea in dealing with the NBA destroying them in ratings is for someone to try and get the 2014 NBA schedule ahead of time so that WWE can book Monday dates opposite of NBA games in “hot” cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and others.

Vince’s idea is that if RAW is going up against a strong game and wrestling fans tune in and see, for example, a Philly crowd going nuts on RAW, they won’t switch the channel.

That's actually a good idea, but then he needs to look at NFL's schedule as well. Also, playoffs are a different ball game. If they could pull it off, would we see that big of a difference? Doubt it.

Things just got interesting.



That sounds amazing. I hope they go through with it. Money In The Bank is one of the better shows of the year, but that match would put it over the top.

Me likey. Am Drag is pulling out more submissions and is blending his ROH mean streak into his character, which is going to be great.

When is Summer Slam? I was hoping that the Brothers of Hell No would get redemption and cause Shield getting their first loss. I guess plans are changing.

 

[Pink Ranger]

It would also have been cool if like Bobby The Brain could have returned as his manager but he doesn't sound or look the same these days.

Also does anyone think that James Mitchell would be a good addition to the Wyatt Family's act? I know they don't need mouthpieces and all but still..

I'm a James Mitchell fan, but unless his character goes through a significant change, he's not a good fit with the Wyatt family.

The Fr. Mitchell is very effective, but also very basic. Evil incarnate. The Wyatts are effective because you can't figure out what they are. Are they the rednecks from Deliverance? Are they a cult? Are they the Leatherface family? Are they supernatural? That's part of the fear they engender, because you just don't know WTF is the deal with them.

 

[OnTheAir]

It would also have been cool if like Bobby The Brain could have returned as his manager but he doesn't sound or look the same these days.

Certainly, I'd love to see the Brain make a return, but he's clearly in no shape to do so. Very sad.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Personally I think Axel is doing well with Heyman, his ring work has been strong and he's already learning to interact with Heyman during matches to get heat.

Cena vs Bryan at MITB without Bryan going heel sounds great to me, but the notion that beating Rock, surviving the poorly booked monster who's barely over, and having a great match with Bryan will make Cena a legend is hilarious, maybe he already is in some eyes and not in others, but that trio of angles wont change anything.

I'd prefer they saved Bryan vs Cena for Summerslam despite it not having the hot Philly crowd, I'd have Bryan win MITB and cash in up front RVD-style for a title match at Summerslam to prove himself.

If Summerslam had a double main event of Cena vs Bryan and Punk vs Lesnar it would have my money without question.

-- Zack Ryder received a huge reaction at last night's SmackDown taping because it was in his hometown. Meanwhile, the company has a plan for him soon, which is why he's growing his hair out.

-- WWE is reportedly shifting focus once again to rebuild the tag team division. With The Shield (Rollins/Reigns) holding the titles, The Uso's are going to be built up as challengers to their titles in the near future.

-- The company is also planning to experiment with some unused undercard talent, and will form some teams with those wrestlers. Luke Harper and Erick Rowan will be coming up as members of the Wyatt Family, and they may also be used in the tag team scene.

A revamped Ryder can add to the mid card title scene and I like the Usos so I'm glad to see they will be a part of the latest attempt to make the Tag titles matter.

Punk should turn face, but I'd still prefer if it was Heyman who did the betrayal. Having it as a simple case of Heyman organising a match without his permission doesn't feel strong enough for me.

I think it'd be cool if Axel and Heyman did a beat down of Punk either to cost him the match or after the match. Has Jericho beaten Punk yet? Maybe Punk could lose for whatever reason and while looking dejected in the ring, Axel attacks him. Then Heyman would come out on Raw and say Punk has become weak and has lost his way.

The thing is if Heyman kicks him to the curb then it's not really a face turn, he hasn't finally seen through Heyman or recognized the mistakes he has made. I certainly wouldn't have him turn on Heyman over the booking of the Payback match though, instead I'd build up the realization for Punk over several weeks, get the fans baying for Punk to finally turn and hit Heyman with the GTS.

I wonder when Punk will get back to the title picture and as a face.

Mania time, he should win the Rumble and face Lesnar for the WWE title at Mania 30, the hook being his feud with Heyman and the fact Brock will own a victory over him from Summerslam.

 

[OnTheAir]

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- Vince McMahon’s new idea in dealing with the NBA destroying them in ratings is for someone to try and get the 2014 NBA schedule ahead of time so that WWE can book Monday dates opposite of NBA games in “hot” cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and others.

Vince’s idea is that if RAW is going up against a strong game and wrestling fans tune in and see, for example, a Philly crowd going nuts on RAW, they won’t switch the channel.

Read more: http://www.pwmania.com/backstage-ne...cmahons-latest-idea-for-wwe-raw#ixzz2VOV5MxtV

Interesting idea. Won't work, but interesting idea. People can dvr Raw or find it online later. They're going to want to see a playoff game live as it happens, especially if a team with a national following like the Heat or Lakers is involved.

Also, a lot of those "hot cities" have teams that could be in the playoff mix. Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Boston all have teams who are regular playoff participants, and now New York is back in the mix as well. Even Philly could be on the verge of making it back to the playoffs with a young, talented team. All of those arenas could be thinking that they may need their buildings for their NBA teams around that time.