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Not that I am defending the WWE, or really care about models or not, but there may be a valid reason for that from an operations perspective. It might be easier to train up a WWE-style female wrestler from zero rather than trying to change someone's ingrained working style (similar to how it's hard for any of the TNA originals to break into WWE). Plus, you have the financial bonus of having a talent who, while unskilled in wrestling, knows how to do photo shoots, publicity appearances, etc. And let's be frank, when it comes to female talent, that stuff means more to the WWE as a business perspective than amazing women's wrestling.

I don't have a problem with them hiring models and training them in house but it usually takes time for them to be good enough to wrestle on tv safely. I was talking more about a short term solution in hiring some already trained female wrestlers to strengthen the division. I'm sure there are some women wrestlers who can adapt to the WWE's style just like the men indy wrestlers can adapt to the WWE.

I'm sure there are some female wrestlers that are lookers and can do the promotional work out there. Also Kharma and Chyna were over with many fans and neither of those two were lookers so I don't think it is a necessity for every diva. Bayley and Charlottle Flair aren't exactly women that will be getting calls for spreads in lads mags either.

The WWE had some talented divas like Gail Kim and Beth Phoenix but they bailed because they were wasted more often than not.

 

[The Hill]

We have both seen that the perverts love Paige.

Fewer than you think... More than she deserves.

 

[E-Man]

Maybe I am overestimating The Shield's drawing power, but I really think they work as a solid main event face group right now. Book them against Wyatt family when Cena is off (I know we've seen it a lot, but you can run it at house shows), and when Bryan is off, book them against Evolution/Kane.

The only problem is finding three guys for them to feud with at a given time. Evolution works well, and so does the Wyatt Family. After that there are no stables that could really go toe to toe with those guys without being outshined big time. I really wish that there were more stables that could give them a run for their money. Maybe they could create a new stable of Ziggler, Kofi, and Ryder where they turn heel by attacking the Shield. You could say that they got tired of the fickle fans turning their backs on them for the hot new thing, and maybe that could suffice for something like Survivor Series after the Shield has already taken on Evolution and the Wyatts.

 

[Slushy]

So, wait a minute...the creepy kid..."Little Johnny"...

Remember Jamison Winger?

That's his kid!

 

[zeroapoc]

No F'N way!

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

The only problem is finding three guys for them to feud with at a given time. Evolution works well, and so does the Wyatt Family. After that there are no stables that could really go toe to toe with those guys without being outshined big time. I really wish that there were more stables that could give them a run for their money. Maybe they could create a new stable of Ziggler, Kofi, and Ryder where they turn heel by attacking the Shield. You could say that they got tired of the fickle fans turning their backs on them for the hot new thing, and maybe that could suffice for something like Survivor Series after the Shield has already taken on Evolution and the Wyatts.

That's not a bad idea, here are some others that might work:
- call up The Ascension & pairing them with Kane
- heel turns for Big E & Mark Henry to join Zeb's Real Americans with Swagger

 

[OnTheAir]

Remember Jamison Winger?

That's his kid!

Yeah, I heard that too... indeed!

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[E-Man]

That's not a bad idea, here are some others that might work:
- call up The Ascension & pairing them with Kane
- heel turns for Big E & Mark Henry to join Zeb's Real Americans with Swagger

I've never seen The Ascension in action, but I have heard that they are pretty good.

I like Mark Henry, but I don't think that his style would mesh well with The Shield right now. They're all about break neck action, and he'd just slow things down. Big E wouldn't be so bad though. I still don't know whether or not I like the guy because he's given so limited time. He seems like maybe he could shine with the right feud.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

That's a good point about Henry with him not meshing with the Shield. I like Big E a lot and think they need to find a way to keep him relevant & for the meantime, revisiting his team with Mark Henry seems to be the best option at the moment.

Or, here's a left field idea... maybe they could legitimize 3MB as a heel team by adding Big E as security. 3MB has proven they can be entertaining and I wouldn't be opposed to giving those guys a legit shot in the tag division. Putting Big E with them gives them some muscle and another guy to stand ringside & run interference in their matches.

 

[cabel]

Something I think would be neat:


Daniel Bryan finishes a match and is celebrating. Paul Heyman comes out saying that he would like to introduce everyone to the next WWE champion. Then someone jumps Bryan from behind. His face is covered by a hoodie, and his hands are taped up, looks kind of familiar. He picks up Bryan, GO 2 SLEEP! The crowd naturally starts chanting, "CM PUNK! CM PUNK!..." The man pulls back the hoodie, and it's KENTA.

In the weeks following KENTA explains (I don't know the extent of his english, so this is where Heyman comes in) how he invented the GTS, and how he's been innovating all over the world while WWE stars steal his legacy, now he's finally returning the favor by taking the WWE title.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Now THAT would be awesome. If you're gonna bring in the master of the GTS and the Running Knee, that's how you do it.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Or, here's a left field idea... maybe they could legitimize 3MB as a heel team by adding Big E as security. 3MB has proven they can be entertaining and I wouldn't be opposed to giving those guys a legit shot in the tag division. Putting Big E with them gives them some muscle and another guy to stand ringside & run interference in their matches.

Better yet, make Big E their saxophone player.

 

[The Hill]

WANT.....SO......MUCH!

Something I think would be neat:


Daniel Bryan finishes a match and is celebrating. Paul Heyman comes out saying that he would like to introduce everyone to the next WWE champion. Then someone jumps Bryan from behind. His face is covered by a hoodie, and his hands are taped up, looks kind of familiar. He picks up Bryan, GO 2 SLEEP! The crowd naturally starts chanting, "CM PUNK! CM PUNK!..." The man pulls back the hoodie, and it's KENTA.

In the weeks following KENTA explains (I don't know the extent of his english, so this is where Heyman comes in) how he invented the GTS, and how he's been innovating all over the world while WWE stars steal his legacy, now he's finally returning the favor by taking the WWE title.

Wouldn't that just encourage the "CM PUNK" chants EVERYTIME he shows up? I doubt the WWe (or some people who post here) would like that.

On the subject of Paige being a heel, I'd think she would be a great one. Out side of snarky crowds (who cheer heels anyway) She come off as very heel-like, not in personality, but in look. The pale skin black hair, heck she even wears heel colors (purple) the aggressive yelling before her Heelish finishing moves...her heel work is half done already, all she needs is one good Heel promo and she's a solid heel....also there's a stereotype of British people being badguys.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Wouldn't that just encourage the "CM PUNK" chants EVERYTIME he shows up? I doubt the WWe (or some people who post here) would like that.

Heh, there's actually some WWE sheep that think Punk invented the GTS...

 

[cabel]

WANT.....SO......MUCH!



Wouldn't that just encourage the "CM PUNK" chants EVERYTIME he shows up? I doubt the WWe (or some people who post here) would like that.

Until there's at least a definite conclusion to the Punk situation, the universe is going to keep chanting anyway. Might as well give them something to focus that on as opposed to them doing it everytime they're bored. Plus it would also play into my idea, with Heyman refusing to acknowledge the name of a KENTA knockoff, when he has the original model right here.

 

[runawayboulder]

I have no problem with the chants. The audience should be encouraged to let their voice be heard. I'm sure the majority of those people know that he's not going to be back anytime soon.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Shibata, KENTA, Cesaro, AND Lesnar as Heyman guys?

The beasts! Oh man Heyman could do so much with that.

This was the point I was trying to tell you all, WWE tried to make Paige likeable to the crowds, but so far, it hasn't been working at all. AJ has become their most bankable Diva since Lita and Trish put together. Paige's best bet to get over with the WWE Universe is full on heel turn, despite what anyone says on here about what I think.

Maybe AJ could team with her as the anti-Divas and groom her, then one can turn on the other to set a more invested feud up later in the year, maybe even for Mania 32.

Heh, there's actually some WWE sheep that think Punk invented the GTS...

Heh! You remind me so much of the young, angry wrestling fans I used to see posting at DVDR, and some older ones like me about 9 years ago.

They aren't sheep, just most people watch WWE and aren't interested in Japanese wrestling or indies, so they just go by what they see on TV, they aren't duty bound to research which obscure wrestler who they don't care about may have invented the move used by a current mainstream fav. Like I'm sure most of the fans have no idea where Bryan got the running knee from.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Something I think would be neat:


Daniel Bryan finishes a match and is celebrating. Paul Heyman comes out saying that he would like to introduce everyone to the next WWE champion. Then someone jumps Bryan from behind. His face is covered by a hoodie, and his hands are taped up, looks kind of familiar. He picks up Bryan, GO 2 SLEEP! The crowd naturally starts chanting, "CM PUNK! CM PUNK!..." The man pulls back the hoodie, and it's KENTA.

In the weeks following KENTA explains (I don't know the extent of his english, so this is where Heyman comes in) how he invented the GTS, and how he's been innovating all over the world while WWE stars steal his legacy, now he's finally returning the favor by taking the WWE title.

I, for one, would love to see KENTA, Prince Devitt and someone else (Sami Zayn, maybe?) brought in by Paul Heyman as a rival trio hired to bring down The Shield.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I agree with you, Hunter. Granted, if the internet was at the point when I was in high school that it is now, I'm sure I would've been huge into international and indie wrestling. How it was, I was lucky to keep up with ECW from time to time and read wrestling magazines.

Now I'm 30 and married. I just don't have the time or motivation to really take advantage of the resources out there. Hell, I feel like I have really neglected the content available on the WWE Network, even. I was so excited to go through all these old ppv shows, and I think I have watched two old ppv shows and a few Countdown/Legends of Wrestling episodes.

 

[E-Man]

Something I think would be neat:


Daniel Bryan finishes a match and is celebrating. Paul Heyman comes out saying that he would like to introduce everyone to the next WWE champion. Then someone jumps Bryan from behind. His face is covered by a hoodie, and his hands are taped up, looks kind of familiar. He picks up Bryan, GO 2 SLEEP! The crowd naturally starts chanting, "CM PUNK! CM PUNK!..." The man pulls back the hoodie, and it's KENTA.

In the weeks following KENTA explains (I don't know the extent of his english, so this is where Heyman comes in) how he invented the GTS, and how he's been innovating all over the world while WWE stars steal his legacy, now he's finally returning the favor by taking the WWE title.

That would be cool, but it all would depend on how good this Kenta guy is in the ring. If he's good enough to really wow the fans then it would go down as one of the best surprise storylines ever. If he'll take some time to adjust then he might bust like Sin Cara did since there's the whole "WWE style" thing going on. I'd definitely be into it, and Paul Heyman is all the heat he would need to establish himself. His client, Brock Lesnar, defeated the Undertaker and broke the streak.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I, for one, would love to see KENTA, Prince Devitt and someone else (Sami Zayn, maybe?) brought in by Paul Heyman as a rival trio hired to bring down The Shield.

I'd keep put Cesaro as the third man in that pact as Sami Zayn would NEVER work as a heel.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'd keep put Cesaro as the third man in that pact as Sami Zayn would NEVER work as a heel.

Yeah, you're right. I was trying to think of another high-flyer type on WWE's roster, but Cesaro works as a power man to counter Reigns.

Plus, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns VS Prince Devitt, KENTA and Cesaro? TAKE MY MONEY NOW!

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Yeah, you're right. I was trying to think of another high-flyer type on WWE's roster, but Cesaro works as a power man to counter Reigns.

Plus, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns VS Prince Devitt, KENTA and Cesaro? TAKE MY MONEY NOW!

If it was those 3, their roles would be like that of The Shield:
Devitt would be the brains
KENTA would be the heart
Cesaro would be the powerhouse

 

[JabarR]

Maybe AJ could team with her as the anti-Divas and groom her, then one can turn on the other to set a more invested feud up later in the year, maybe even for Mania 32.

....that's gonna happen. I could see Paige teaming with Tamina Snuka possibly, but not AJ.