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[Metallo]

Originally Posted by AntMan
Dusty has taught promo classes for years. There's only so much you can teach regarding promos. Guys have to find their own voice. Windham Rotunda needed to find the Bray Wyatt character to showcase his mic skill.

Thats a good point. The character does dictate how a promo is delivered.

Stone Cold wouldn't talk the same way Stunning Steve did. Hollywood wouldn't talk the same way Hulk did. Crow Sting didn't NEED to talk for a long time while Surfer Sting was full of energy.

Once Edge really got into that Rated R gimmick his promos took off and had a whole new dimension. You can see the differences between the way Hunter Hearst Helsley talked, the way DX Triple H talked, and the Game Triple H talked.

Yeah...I agree. Find the character, flesh him out, get to understand him, then start from there.

Sometimes the character has a lot more or less of the real guy in it. When Austin cut those promos in ECW in the mid 90's there was a lot more Steve Williams in there.

Originally Posted by The Sage
Since they're doing the rematch, I feel like Cena has to win. If not, then Rock will have rolled in, beaten both top stars two times each, and roll out. I guess an alternative would be to have Rock lose at Extreme Rules, but Wrestlemania is the bigger stage and the main one that counts.

I agree. The Wrestlemania win is the one that matters more. If Rock beats Punk two PPV's in a row and Cena two Manias in a row thats just absurd. A win at Extreme Rules isn't going to matter nearly as much as it should at that point. If you include WM27's ending that would make three Wrestlemanias in a row that Rock got one over on Cena. Thats just not right any way you slice it and doesn't do any good. Heel turn or no heel turn Cena has to win at WM29.

Punk and Cena is the main feud going forward in this company. If they BOTH lose to Rock when it mattered most for them this year and he's on his way out what are they supposed to do? Just continue on fighting each other like nothing happened? What do they say? "We both got our a**es kicked two matches in a row with this guy so come see us fight over who is better." They'll be fighting over who is the true number 2 man in the business? Thats stupid.

They should be fighting over who is the number one man going forward. Not which one of them is second best.

Originally Posted by nite-owl

Mmmm...I think I need to go be alone. Thats almost as nice as Mickie rubbing Melina's a** when she got hurt that time.

Originally Posted by Van Petrol
I agree. And it's something for Michaels, that he was able to return after Rock and Austin had all but left. Only thing is we could have seen some awesome rivalries and moments between Michaels, Austin and Rock. I don't hate Michaels, just wasn't a fan of his politicing back in the day. I'm a massive admirer of his in ring work, and the classics he has put out over the years, as well as his willingness and contribution in helping to elevate and put others over when he returned.

It really is the tale of two Shawn Michaels. Shawn BG (Before God) and Shawn AG (After God). I'm not an overly religious person but it clearly made a big difference in his life so good for him.

Before his injury you were almost guarenteed a good match when he wrestled but the problem is you didn't know if he was going to go out there and wrestle or not. And even then you weren't sure you'd get a satisfying result after a great match.

Its great to have the dreams of what might have been but then you get smacked in the face with the reality of the kind of guy he used to be. I didn't buy his and Triple H's bullsh** at all when the screwjob happened and this was before I knew what kind of d*** Triple H was. Their story in the months and years after didn't make sense. I still enjoyed their work though.

Thats the catch with old Shawn. You loved to watch him work but hated his bullsh**. Thankfully when he came back he was a changed man and it made his work even more enjoyable. You knew he would give it his all AND you knew he wasn't going to politic and refuse to do a job if it made sense.

Originally Posted by AntMan
WWE wants fans to see Rock vs Cena on the same level as Hogan vs Andre and Hogan vs Rock, but really it's on the level of Hogan vs HBK. There's no magic to Rock vs Cena at all and it didn't live up to the expectations . That crowd wasn't as hot as Detroit or Toronto and the match wasn't good enough on it's own to make up for that.

Agreed. It just doesn't rank up there with the great iconic Wrestlemania main event encounters of the past. And its not because Cena isn't on the Rocks level of stardom in the business. Bret and Shawn weren't either but their rivalry was epic. The magic just ain't there with Rock and Cena and the halfassed work/use of the Rock and goofiness of Cena isn't helping.

Taker and Michaels aren't on that very top Hogan/Austin tier either but its another legendary rivalry. Rock/Cena just feels like any other big match. Not THE match. Even Hogan/Michaels had more magic in its leadup than these two guys ever had. I mean...Hogans the most well known name in the business. The biggest star in the businesses history within the business itself. Michaels is probably the greatest worker in the business. There was something to seeing that encounter. I even enjoyed their match more than Rock/Cena I despite an equally stupid outcome. I knew what to expect from Hogan physically. I had higher hopes for what Rock would deliver.

At least Rock is doing a rematch....Terry.

Originally Posted by Kaleb

Wow. Thats awesome. In so many ways. Instead of "Paul" and Mark we have Paul and Phil subbing.

 

[I'm Batman.]

I think it is. If you like big match hype then you'll probably like this PPV.

As it is, it roughghly looks like the card will be close to this:

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Alberto Del Rio(c.) vs Jack Swagger

WWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
The Rock(c.) vs John Cena

MATCH FOR 'THE STREAK'
Undertaker vs C.M. Punk

HELL IN A CELL or MMA MATCH w/ Triple H's career or WWE on the line???
Triple H vs Brock Lesnar

INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Wade Barrett(c.) vs ????

U.S. CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Antonio Cesaro(c.) vs ????

MULTI-TEAM TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Team Hell No(c.) vs ???? vs ???? vs ????

WOMENS CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Kaitlyn(c.) vs ????

The Shield vs Orton, Sheamus, and Ryback or Big Show

Some mystery match involving Big Show or Ryback and maybe Mark Henry if it's Ryback.

Cena/Rock, six man tag, Punk/Undertaker, Lesnar/HHH, Henry/Ryback, and Del Rio/Swagger have all been confirmed or pointed to. I'm still holding out hope that we get Jericho/Ziggler and Hell No defending the titles in a fatal four tag with New Age Outlaws, Prime Time Players, and Rhodes Scholars.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Kind of ironic their newest film and biggest hit to date involves David Otunga who they didn't bother to push or use much to promote the film does better than The Marine which starred the WWE Champion.

Re: Cena's feuds

Cena had way better matches with Edge whether it was TLC, Last Man Standing, or Steel Cage. Hell, their match at Royal Rumble 2006 showed they didn't even need gimmicks to put on a good match.

As for Orton, the pinnacle of their feud was at SummerSlam 2007, a tremendous main event. Orton may have lost that match, but he one upped twice Cena by beating him in a good match Hell In A Cell and ended his Wrestlemania winning streak in a fun triple threat match involving HHH. Both losses were high profile. You may have not liked it, but I felt Cena and Orton always delivered in their matches. Well, except for that Iron Man match, which I wasted an hour of my life watching. : /

And both feuds involved Cena Sr. which them personal and added to them.

You don't even get a glimpse of him in the trailer. Wonder if he is further out of focus than Wade was.

 

[Van Petrol]

It really is the tale of two Shawn Michaels. Shawn BG (Before God) and Shawn AG (After God). I'm not an overly religious person but it clearly made a big difference in his life so good for him.

Before his injury you were almost guarenteed a good match when he wrestled but the problem is you didn't know if he was going to go out there and wrestle or not. And even then you weren't sure you'd get a satisfying result after a great match.

Its great to have the dreams of what might have been but then you get smacked in the face with the reality of the kind of guy he used to be. I didn't buy his and Triple H's bullsh** at all when the screwjob happened and this was before I knew what kind of d*** Triple H was. Their story in the months and years after didn't make sense. I still enjoyed their work though.

Thats the catch with old Shawn. You loved to watch him work but hated his bullsh**. Thankfully when he came back he was a changed man and it made his work even more enjoyable. You knew he would give it his all AND you knew he wasn't going to politic and refuse to do a job if it made sense.

Agree with all of that completely. I'm glad and happy for him that he was able to find that something that helped him make that change and in all a better man.

 

[Van Petrol]

Btw, Metallo, you or Hunter seem to be the most clued up guys who may be able to answer this, but I've heards stories about Shawn dragging his feet about doing the actually job to Austin at WM14, and Taker telling him that if he didn't, he'd be waiting behind the curtain to knock him out. But then again from what I understand, Austin and Michaels are friends in real life, and Michaels made the extra effort, considering his back injury, to do the match and put Austin over. Do either of you guys, or anyone else for that matter, know what the more truthful version is?

 

[Wheels]

Well I don't know about the WrestleMania 14 situation, but Steve said in his book that he and Shawn hung out together when he first came to WWF. Then, Steve started getting over, and Shawn became standoffish.

 

[Kaleb]

Btw, Metallo, you or Hunter seem to be the most clued up guys who may be able to answer this, but I've heards stories about Shawn dragging his feet about doing the actually job to Austin at WM14, and Taker telling him that if he didn't, he'd be waiting behind the curtain to knock him out. But then again from what I understand, Austin and Michaels are friends in real life, and Michaels made the extra effort, considering his back injury, to do the match and put Austin over. Do either of you guys, or anyone else for that matter, know what the more truthful version is?

4:53

 

[Metallo]

Btw, Metallo, you or Hunter seem to be the most clued up guys who may be able to answer this, but I've heards stories about Shawn dragging his feet about doing the actually job to Austin at WM14, and Taker telling him that if he didn't, he'd be waiting behind the curtain to knock him out. But then again from what I understand, Austin and Michaels are friends in real life, and Michaels made the extra effort, considering his back injury, to do the match and put Austin over. Do either of you guys, or anyone else for that matter, know what the more truthful version is?

That story's been floating around for years.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle though. I saw an Undertaker interview that was pretty out of character where he seems to let on that Michaels wasn't crazy about doing the job to Austin and that he was there to make sure there were no problems. It may not have been as big a deal as the story sounds but there's some truth to it.

Even Austin has said that Shawn wasn't exactly in the best mood or state of mind before the match because of his back. It was pretty easy to read between the lines. Again not as big a deal as the story makes it out to be but I think there was some concern with Shawn's attitude.

but I think Michaels, taking the pride in his work that he does, wanted to put on a good match when the time came to walk down to that ring.

To this day he and Austin don't seem to be satisfied with the match because of the limitations Shawns injury put on them. I really do think Michaels tried to give it his best once he was out there but you can look on his face and tell he was in pain. Real pain.

I think once Michaels got his demons exorcised so to speak that he and Austin put any issues they had behind them. I've never heard of them having any huge issues before Michaels got hurt anyway. Shawn could just be difficult to deal with in general. Even Triple H said Shawn could be a d*** to be around at times--before he got saved. HBK and Stone Cold do seem to be pretty good friends today. They have some common interests outside of wrestling and they're both from Texas.




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Originally Posted by Kaleb
4:53

Aaaaaaaan thats it. Thanks, Kaleb.

Its pretty easy to read between the lines. He doesn't come right out and say he was going to kick Shawn Michaels a** but seems like Taker was there to make sure things went smoothly and that Michaels did what he was supposed to. I have no idea how close it came to not happening though.

The funniest version I've heard is, and I'm paraphrasing: "If you don't drop the belt I'm gonna drop you."

 

[Wheels]

WWE Top Ten: (Almost) Streak Stoppers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQA-LLjPQLU

 

[Van Petrol]

Well I don't know about the WrestleMania 14 situation, but Steve said in his book that he and Shawn hung out together when he first came to WWF. Then, Steve started getting over, and Shawn became standoffish.

4:53

That story's been floating around for years.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle though. I saw an Undertaker interview that was pretty out of character where he seems to let on that Michaels wasn't crazy about doing the job to Austin and that he was there to make sure there were no problems. It may not have been as big a deal as the story sounds but there's some truth to it.

Even Austin has said that Shawn wasn't exactly in the best mood or state of mind before the match because of his back. It was pretty easy to read between the lines. Again not as big a deal as the story makes it out to be but I think there was some concern with Shawn's attitude.

but I think Michaels, taking the pride in his work that he does, wanted to put on a good match when the time came to walk down to that ring.

To this day he and Austin don't seem to be satisfied with the match because of the limitations Shawns injury put on them. I really do think Michaels tried to give it his best once he was out there but you can look on his face and tell he was in pain. Real pain.

I think once Michaels got his demons exorcised so to speak that he and Austin put any issues they had behind them. I've never heard of them having any huge issues before Michaels got hurt anyway. Shawn could just be difficult to deal with in general. Even Triple H said Shawn could be a d*** to be around at times--before he got saved. HBK and Stone Cold do seem to be pretty good friends today. They have some common interests outside of wrestling and they're both from Texas.




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Aaaaaaaan thats it. Thanks, Kaleb.

Its pretty easy to read between the lines. He doesn't come right out and say he was going to kick Shawn Michaels a** but seems like Taker was there to make sure things went smoothly and that Michaels did what he was supposed to. I have no idea how close it came to not happening though.

The funniest version I've heard is, and I'm paraphrasing: "If you don't drop the belt I'm gonna drop you."

Ah, Thanks guys. That all really does shed a bit more light on the situation for me.

@Metallo: Yeah, I know what you mean about Michaels being in pain during the match, and he and Austin not being greatly happy with the match they were able to put out. Couple Michaels' back with Austin's neck and they really had it aginst them.

The original version I heard of it was basically just what I initially posted. That being "If you don't go out there and do the match, I'll be the first person waiting behind this curtain waiting to knock you out."

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not surprisingly, Sony geared "The Call" towards females and African Americans. Surprisingly, the film has nothing to do with Tyler Perry.

And this is why Kane is the tag team champions:

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[Wheels]

This would have been awful. [YT]BnzwW9ObW5I[/YT]

 

[El_Citrus]

This made me think, what would everyone use as the 11 PPV's of the year?

I'd go....

January - Royal Rumble

February - Elimination Chamber

March/April - WrestleMania

May - Backlash

June - King of The Ring

July - MITB

August - Summerslam -

September - Night of Champions

October - Bad Blood

November - Survivor Series

December - TLC

Note that my list is dependent on WWE having one World Title, two midcard titles, and the Tag Team titles:

January - Royal Rumble

February/March - No Way Out featuring the Elimination chamber with, as someone here mentioned and I concluded as well, the final five men who didn't win the Rumble qualifying, or even top two or three and have qualifying matches for the remaining spots. Use a steel cage for the undercard perhaps.

April - Wrestlemania

May - Extreme Rules or Backlash with Exterme Rules matches. The definite end for most Wrestlemania feuds.

June - King of the Ring with the winner getting a title shot at Summerslam, paralleling the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania.

July - Heat Wave (Or random ppv name. Something summer related)

August - Summerslam Featuring MITB. Also, move the venue outdoors to enhance the outdoor party vibe. Do it with Special Raws and Smackdowns leading up to Summerslam as well, billing them as The Great American Bash and Bash at the Beach, something to make the summer feel special leading up to Summerslam.

September - Unforgiven (Or random ppv title) featuring the Championship Chase, though without actually counting the pinfalls as actual championship wins.

October - No Mercy

November - Survivor Series With the ten man tag actually meaning something. The captain of each team qualifies as the World Title competitor, and chooses two midcard talents and a tag team to make five. The winning team then earns a title shot at NOC for their respective titles (The captain earns a World Title shot, the midcarders earn IC and US title shots, etc). I could see a lot of great stories being played out with face/heel turns and faces teaming with heels to win the match, not knowing if they can be trusted.

Possibly even include the Championship Chase match here, playing off of the "Survivor" theme.

December - Night of Champions where the winning team from SS gets their title shots, capping off the year and moving on to the next year with a clear picture of who each champion is.

 

[The Batman]

As long as we're asking questions, I got a few about Randy Savage and Ms. Elizabeth after finallly buying Randy's ultimate collection:

1. I read on the internet that Ms. Elizabeth was a ring rat that was passed off to Randy. I don't think this is true at all, but I was wondering if anyone else read something like this.

2. Are there any more details about Randy and Elizabeth's divorce other than Hulk and Linda Hogan basically helping to ruin their marriage? And does anyone think there is any validity to the idea that Hulk and Elizabeth were messing around?

3. I know Elizabeth and Lex Luger had an abusive relationship, but is that the main reason why so many people claim that Luger basically "killed" her?

4. Why was Hulk Hogan usually around whenever Savage won a world title?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[The Rock]

The Rock sold that like a true Champ. The Rock remembers it well.

 

[Wheels]

Oh no, Rock is here. Wait until Hunter Rider finds out.

 

[Kane52630]

Baw Gawd! It's The Rock, King!

 

[Van Petrol]

Haha! I f'n love that stunner!

 

[The Sage]

I wonder if the Rock can still sell the stunner like that.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The Rock can sure as hell sell a stunner.

And how is Stone Cold vs. Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13 not on list of top 10. It should be on everybody's. Even though he lost the match, it's still one of the best matches I've ever seen in my life.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Which reminds me, one of my all time favorite wresting moments in general is Backlash 2000 Rock vs. Triple H the whole match. Stone coming out was the icing on the cake.

 

[Van Petrol]

Which reminds me, one of my all time favorite wresting moments in general is Backlash 2000 Rock vs. Triple H the whole match. Stone coming out was the icing on the cake.

Ah yes, that brings back memories. It was back in the days when I used to record the PPV's at 1am in the morning and then fast forward through them the next morning before school to see who won. My brother and I sneakily got up for the last two matches and marked out like mad when Austin came out and Rock won. Not necessarily because Rock won, but moreso because Helmsley finally lost the title.

 

[The Sage]

Which reminds me, one of my all time favorite wresting moments in general is Backlash 2000 Rock vs. Triple H the whole match. Stone coming out was the icing on the cake.

That was a great match, good work by both guys, and even the interference was done perfectly.

That whole show was fantastic from top to bottom mostly. I still have it on VHS. Yes I know, I typed VHS.

 

[Kane52630]

I still have Wrestlemania XX taped on VHS. t: