The X-Men movies were a waste.

Actually, I would even say Rogue in the Animated Series was different. She was cooler than her comic book counterpart.

In the books, Rogue was whiney for a long time. Between her intimacy issues, her issues with her powers, her issues with Gambit, her issues with Ms. Marvel, and her issues with feeling comfortable among her teammates… Rogue could throw quite the pity party… and she did. Actually, she was kind of a pain in the a**.

I think X2 began to move away from a lot of her bothersome issues from X-Men (which was quicker than what was done in the source material, so I guess that could be interpreted as a plus)… and I think Rogue was on the right path… but things didn’t pan out for the character.
 
i would say her x-men evolution personna was the best (minus the goth look of course). thats how i would picture rogue an outsider yet a bit of a badass exterior (and incredibally insecure)
 
I don’t know. The uniforms never really bothered me much (I never thought the comic book uniforms would work well onscreen. They’re incredibly random and save for the Xs, they’re not even team oriented).

I like how they described the proposed evolution of the uniforms on the X1.5 DVD… with each installment, the uniforms evolve with the characters and become progressively more individualized, etc. For instance, I like that Iceman’s uniform was set to have icicle-like patterns stemming from the Xs on his chest. I like that Cyclops’ uniform has the large X across the torso and that Wolverine’s uniform maintains the familiar claw shapes (if that’s what they are).

Besides, the X-Men have looked pretty questionable in the books…

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…and as much as I like them, I don’t think some of the more identifiable classic looks would work very well.

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…and to me, something like this is even less individualized and isn’t very X-Men like either.

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How Rogue even remotely better in these films than in her other incarnations?:huh:
I really like her sadness in the movies. Rogue in the comics (once again, I'm not an avid reader, so there you have your point to not take anything I say seriously) started as shy and intrsopective, but I didn't read those. The comics I read featured a sassy, over the top bad ass woman who rarely displayed her original powers in favour of beating guys and saying cheesy one-liners. In the movies, I like how sad she starts, how insecure, and most importantly, how she progresses until the end of X2. To me, that is the right and realist apprroach to someone with such powers. Espcially right after sshe discovers them. IMO, she is the character who better represents what is truly to become an X-men. (until X2, of course)

Wolverine decides to work with team to save Rogue, and then becomes an X-men. Rogue's transition is very subtle and smooth. Somehow, when you notice it, you realize she's way stronger in the end of X2. Even more beautiful. And it wasn't something quick and desperate (like Storm imo), it was done seamlessy.

As I said, I think movie Rogue is better in some points. I truly expected her to become more sassy and fierce in X3, to finally use the X-men uniform in a real mission, and to develop more of a playful personality. That never happened, and along with her entire arc in X3, that's why I think It ruined what could be the best character development and progression this trilogy might achieve. Still, in some points, I think I got the Rogue I wanted.



AND, about the uniforms in the movies, I think they are a perfect approach to the X-men world. I try, I try really hard to picture serious actors in those fancy uniforms, even with the Spider-man, Fantastic Four movie style. It just doesn't work...not to me anyway.
 
I really like her sadness in the movies. Rogue in the comics (once again, I'm not an avid reader, so there you have your point to not take anything I say seriously) started as shy and intrsopective, but I didn't read those. The comics I read featured a sassy, over the top bad ass woman who rarely displayed her original powers in favour of beating guys and saying cheesy one-liners. In the movies, I like how sad she starts, how insecure, and most importantly, how she progresses until the end of X2. To me, that is the right and realist apprroach to someone with such powers. Espcially right after sshe discovers them. IMO, she is the character who better represents what is truly to become an X-men. (until X2, of course)

Wolverine decides to work with team to save Rogue, and then becomes an X-men. Rogue's transition is very subtle and smooth. Somehow, when you notice it, you realize she's way stronger in the end of X2. Even more beautiful. And it wasn't something quick and desperate (like Storm imo), it was done seamlessy.

As I said, I think movie Rogue is better in some points. I truly expected her to become more sassy and fierce in X3, to finally use the X-men uniform in a real mission, and to develop more of a playful personality. That never happened, and along with her entire arc in X3, that's why I think It ruined what could be the best character development and progression this trilogy might achieve. Still, in some points, I think I got the Rogue I wanted.



AND, about the uniforms in the movies, I think they are a perfect approach to the X-men world. I try, I try really hard to picture serious actors in those fancy uniforms, even with the Spider-man, Fantastic Four movie style. It just doesn't work...not to me anyway.

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I'm not an "avid" comic reader either heh.
 
so my question is this: what do you think the "costumes" should have looked like on film? i really dont think the comic costumes would work well in the films since they are too well..comic booky and that's the one thing i think doesnt work when it comes to comics to movies (spider-mans for example). i would go uniform since they are a strike force.

I think the costumes/uniforms should've been matching gold and navyblue outfits (similar to the original team's uniforms) instead of bikerclub outfits with different colored pipings. If the uniforms match I don't see why spandex and polyester are a problem. By the way, in reality a team of heros and strike forces would not wear uniforms that are too hard to fight and move in. That's why ya don't see police officers and military soldiers wearing all leather uniforms. That would only make them unable to beat their enemies.
 
I really like her sadness in the movies. Rogue in the comics (once again, I'm not an avid reader, so there you have your point to not take anything I say seriously) started as shy and intrsopective, but I didn't read those. The comics I read featured a sassy, over the top bad ass woman who rarely displayed her original powers in favour of beating guys and saying cheesy one-liners. In the movies, I like how sad she starts, how insecure, and most importantly, how she progresses until the end of X2. To me, that is the right and realist apprroach to someone with such powers. Espcially right after sshe discovers them. IMO, she is the character who better represents what is truly to become an X-men. (until X2, of course)

Wolverine decides to work with team to save Rogue, and then becomes an X-men. Rogue's transition is very subtle and smooth. Somehow, when you notice it, you realize she's way stronger in the end of X2. Even more beautiful. And it wasn't something quick and desperate (like Storm imo), it was done seamlessy.

As I said, I think movie Rogue is better in some points. I truly expected her to become more sassy and fierce in X3, to finally use the X-men uniform in a real mission, and to develop more of a playful personality. That never happened, and along with her entire arc in X3, that's why I think It ruined what could be the best character development and progression this trilogy might achieve. Still, in some points, I think I got the Rogue I wanted.



AND, about the uniforms in the movies, I think they are a perfect approach to the X-men world. I try, I try really hard to picture serious actors in those fancy uniforms, even with the Spider-man, Fantastic Four movie style. It just doesn't work...not to me anyway.

It doesn't surprise me to hear somebody like you saying this. Your just one of many users that saw the movie first and just started researching the comics. You don't know how it feels to have one of your favorite characters reduced down into the opposite of what their original counterpart was. In fact, the movieRogue is not only a first class wossie, she's the MOST USELESS sueprhero I have ever seen on screen!:cmad:

I wanted to see a confident and kickass woman who knew how to fight and wouldn't take **it from anyone messing with her. That's pretty much what I saw in Evolution even though there were no additional powers. As a matter of fact, Evolution reflected how Rogue really was before she took out Ms. Marvel.

I didn't wanna see a whiney little sissy that couldn't fight and couldn't see that her powers could do some good. This is the main reason why I wish Bryan Stinker didn't direct X-Men. I heard all the other directors up for X1 wanted Kitty Pryde in that role b/c they had comic knowledge. I know a lot of you think she progressed a little in X2, but I don't agree. I thought she was the same as in X1 and X3 b/c she was still too whiney and useless. She was a wasted character and you all should've seen why by now.:o
 
Yeah but Astonishing XM is a comic... Imo the Gold and NBlue would contrast too much making it flashy and taking its seriousness away.
 
Ok... take it from my point of view... if the uniform was too flashy it would distract me from the actual character wearing it. IMO, contrasts are ESSENTIAL in art, movies, even in life itself. IF the characters are too fictional (you know, superstrength, laserbeams) they obviously cannot contrast with a fictional uniform. It's like adding more fiction to what it's already fiction, you know? Why does the Beast character work? Because it's a ridiculously hairy blue ape wearing an expenssive, formal, suit working as a secretary for the government. At least that's how I think it works.
Plus, it's taking its credibility- how can you possibly camouflage with yellow spandex? :oldrazz:
 
Over all the whole series was a let down, and a total waste.

I just keep thinking of what might have been had the franchise had a different director, and a team with more imagination.

ever since I was a kid I had such high hopes for these movies getting made some day, and I just envisioned such huge films, and when I heard it was really happening I thought, Wow, this will be the next Starwars, just thinking of all the great big stuff in the Comic Books.

But, all I got was some weak garbage. Singer didn't know the comics and didn't care. The look was all wrong, the costumes were just pitiful, and, it was NOT the X-men.

Wolverine was a little too sensitive, sure he has heart but he is the ultimate bad ass, Storm wasn't even storm, Halle was all wrong, Some casting I liked, like James as Cyclops, Ian as Magneto, and Patrick as Xavier.

But it was a real shame to sit in that theater all three times and wonder if they'll ever bring the comics to life. Because this sure aint' it.

I don't want to see some out sider's thoughts on his own X-men, I wanna' see Stan Lee's X-men, but not this.

They need to remake it, and actually do more than just string along one story through three movies.

Have better costumes something like the comics, made like Spidey's and the FF's, those film's suits are amazing and so faithful.

One movie have Magneto and the Sentinals, 2 maybe Phoenix, in another Apokalypse, I mean there's so much there, and they wasted they're time with the X-men.
I agree with you 99.9%:up:
 
by the way i do want to pose a question: i know a lot of the hardcore comic fans are not too happy with x1 and x2 as well which i can understand because i myself think singer didnt get the characters. so my question is this: what do you think the "costumes" should have looked like on film? i really dont think the comic costumes would work well in the films since they are too well..comic booky and that's the one thing i think doesnt work when it comes to comics to movies (spider-mans for example). i would go uniform since they are a strike force.

We won't really know until we try.

It's all arguable since one could say the leather power ranger jump suits they wear in the movies are as laughably bad as yellow spandex. so I wouldn't mind if they wore their comic outfits on screen instead of Matrix leather.

Oh and X-men's the New batman trilogy, BICH.

Cant' wait for X-men begins! Keep Hugh Jackman and Stuart, and recast everybody!
 
We won't really know until we try.

It's all arguable since one could say the leather power ranger jump suits they wear in the movies are as laughably bad as yellow spandex. so I wouldn't mind if they wore their comic outfits on screen instead of Matrix leather.

Oh and X-men's the New batman trilogy, BICH.

Cant' wait for X-men begins! Keep Hugh Jackman and Stuart, and recast everybody!

Leather Power Ranger jumpsuits doesn't make sense... especially when comparing them to bright colored spandex comic book outfits, which are much more like the Power Rangers.
 
I'm not trying to make complete sense. I'm explaining how ridiculous it'd be to wear leather to battle so it's arguable saying spandex is worse to wear than leather since wearing tight hugging leather to fight doesn't make much sense anyway.

And they're power ranger jumpsuits like the ones they wore in the power rangers movie. See/make some sense now.
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I expected someone would know what I was referring too. oh well.
 
We won't really know until we try.

It's all arguable since one could say the leather power ranger jump suits they wear in the movies are as laughably bad as yellow spandex. so I wouldn't mind if they wore their comic outfits on screen instead of Matrix leather.

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Yeah! Trying to fight in all leather outfits is just as laughable as characters running around in different colored spandex costumes. Especially when it's a tight as hell leather outfit that looks like it's glued to your skin. How Awkward.

This other user won't get it through his head that there have been different x-men uniforms and costumes that wouldn't look silly on screen. Like the current Astonishing team uniforms.
 
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Yeah! Trying to fight in all leather outfits is just as laughable as characters running around in different colored spandex costumes. Especially when it's a tight as hell leather outfit that looks like it's glued to your skin. How Awkward.

This other user won't get it through his head that there have been different x-men uniforms and costumes that wouldn't look silly on screen. Like the current Astonishing team uniforms.

Something more akin to army fatigues would make more sense than leather, exactly. But I'm in the camp that thinks its ok to not make complete sense. Batman wears a completely impractical rubber suit so go wild, I say.
 
what do the astonishing xomen outfits look like?
 
Actually, I would even say Rogue in the Animated Series was different. She was cooler than her comic book counterpart.

In the books, Rogue was whiney for a long time. Between her intimacy issues, her issues with her powers, her issues with Gambit, her issues with Ms. Marvel, and her issues with feeling comfortable among her teammates… Rogue could throw quite the pity party… and she did. Actually, she was kind of a pain in the a**.

She might've been down on herself because of these issues, but she was still kicking ass and taking names.

I think X2 began to move away from a lot of her bothersome issues from X-Men (which was quicker than what was done in the source material, so I guess that could be interpreted as a plus)… and I think Rogue was on the right path… but things didn’t pan out for the character.
What do you mean? In X2 she still has intimacy issues, issues with her powers, her issues with Bobby, her issues with Magneto and what he did to her, and issues with feeling comfortable among her the others when she's pretty useless in a fight.:huh:

I really like her sadness in the movies. Rogue in the comics (once again, I'm not an avid reader, so there you have your point to not take anything I say seriously) started as shy and intrsopective, but I didn't read those. The comics I read featured a sassy, over the top bad ass woman who rarely displayed her original powers in favour of beating guys and saying cheesy one-liners. In the movies, I like how sad she starts, how insecure, and most importantly, how she progresses until the end of X2. To me, that is the right and realist apprroach to someone with such powers. Espcially right after sshe discovers them. IMO, she is the character who better represents what is truly to become an X-men. (until X2, of course)

Wolverine decides to work with team to save Rogue, and then becomes an X-men. Rogue's transition is very subtle and smooth. Somehow, when you notice it, you realize she's way stronger in the end of X2. Even more beautiful. And it wasn't something quick and desperate (like Storm imo), it was done seamlessy.

As I said, I think movie Rogue is better in some points. I truly expected her to become more sassy and fierce in X3, to finally use the X-men uniform in a real mission, and to develop more of a playful personality. That never happened, and along with her entire arc in X3, that's why I think It ruined what could be the best character development and progression this trilogy might achieve. Still, in some points, I think I got the Rogue I wanted.
Alot of people have said Rogue started out shy and insecure. Not true. Rogue was pretty confident when she was discovered her powers, it was only when she began to feel th effects of having absorbed most of Ms. Marvel's memories that she began to doubt herself. She was shy and aloof when she joined the X-Men mostly because they she'd fought them before and they didn't trust her. That didn't hold up long anyway since on her first mission with the team she teased Logan about kissing him and stealing his powers.:o

The Rogue you like in the movies isn't distinctly Rogue in any way. I don't even know why she was made a member of the team when she had all these issues and was so pathetically useless in a fight. It's nice that they showed how mutancy can be a mixed blessing, but she's so whiny I don't even care.:o
 
Wesyeed said:
I'm not trying to make complete sense. I'm explaining how ridiculous it'd be to wear leather to battle so it's arguable saying spandex is worse to wear than leather since wearing tight hugging leather to fight doesn't make much sense anyway.

I understand what you’re saying.

gap5ewl said:
what do the astonishing xomen outfits look like?

They’re not much different. They’re thicker looking throwbacks to their older uniforms. I think Cyclops’ uniform is the best.

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Abaddon said:
She might've been down on herself because of these issues, but she was still kicking ass and taking names.

Right, but she was still a whiney pain in the ass for years is what I’m saying.

Abaddon said:
What do you mean? In X2 she still has intimacy issues, issues with her powers, her issues with Bobby, her issues with Magneto and what he did to her, and issues with feeling comfortable among her the others when she's pretty useless in a fight. :huh:

I don’t think Rogue maintains the same emotional baggage that she does in X-Men. She doesn’t have intimacy issues with where she belongs like she does in X-Men. She isn’t a runaway looking for a place to call home. She looks happy at the School and half way through X2, she wants to know where her X-Men uniform is.

She looks to be more comfortable with her power, as she is willing to take risks with it. She is willing to experiment with her boyfriend (even noting how cool it is to absorb his power), and she isn’t hesitant about taking off her gloves and absorbing Pyro’s power in order to save the police officers’ lives.

I don’t find her issues with Bobby to really get her down at any point in the movie. They don’t seem nearly as problematic as her issues with Gambit or Ms. Marvel, which is what I’m getting at.

I don’t think Rogue has issues with Magneto and what he did to her save for the fact that she is ready to kick his ass and take names, and that’s what people want right?

…and I don’t think she is shown having issues with feeling comfortable among the others is so far as her usefulness… unless I missed something? She seemed pretty useful and willing to step up to me. I guess after having watched X2 for the first time, I just didn’t get the impression that she would be up and curing herself anytime soon.

Abaddon said:
Rogue was pretty confident when she was discovered her powers, it was only when she began to feel th effects of having absorbed most of Ms. Marvel's memories that she began to doubt herself.

I think Rogue began to first doubt herself when she kissed Cody Robbins and saw that she placed him into a coma, because she then got scared and ran away… but she did become more comfortable with herself again… until, as you noted, she absorbed Ms. Marvel’s memories.
 
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Yeah! Trying to fight in all leather outfits is just as laughable as characters running around in different colored spandex costumes. Especially when it's a tight as hell leather outfit that looks like it's glued to your skin. How Awkward.

This other user won't get it through his head that there have been different x-men uniforms and costumes that wouldn't look silly on screen. Like the current Astonishing team uniforms.

So um.. you understand what I said and disagree or just haven't understand a thing? lol
 
Wolverine was a little too sensitive, sure he has heart but he is the ultimate bad ass, Storm wasn't even storm, Halle was all wrong, Some casting I liked, like James as Cyclops, Ian as Magneto, and Patrick as Xavier.


I couldn't agree with this more. I honestly thought that James, Patrick and Ian were the most faithfully cast, and apart from Ian, they were given pitiful parts. When did we ever get the idea that Charles Xavier was the most powerful telepath on earth?
 
Right, but she was still a whiney pain in the ass for years is what I’m saying.

Heh, well our opinions differ there a bit.



I don’t think Rogue maintains the same emotional baggage that she does in X-Men. She doesn’t have intimacy issues with where she belongs like she does in X-Men. She isn’t a runaway looking for a place to call home. She looks happy at the School and half way through X2, she wants to know where her X-Men uniform is.

She looks to be more comfortable with her power, as she is willing to take risks with it. She is willing to experiment with her boyfriend (even noting how cool it is to absorb his power), and she isn’t hesitant about taking off her gloves and absorbing Pyro’s power in order to save the police officers’ lives.

True, for the most part. However I didn't get the impression she was that much comfortable with her power. She didn't use them at all during the mansion raid, and was pretty hesitant when it came to touching Pyro.

I don’t find her issues with Bobby to really get her down at any point in the movie. They don’t seem nearly as problematic as her issues with Gambit or Ms. Marvel, which is what I’m getting at.
Well of course, everything is at a larger scale in the comics, and the movies are just condensed. Her issues with Gambit stemmed from the touching thing, his flirtatious nature, and the secrets he was keeping(originally he was written in to betray the X-men). MovieRogue lived a very different life but still deals with some of the same issues, mainly the fact that she can't touch him like she'd want to. This and her Ms. Marvel issues make her more interesting, to me anyway.


I don’t think Rogue has issues with Magneto and what he did to her save for the fact that she is ready to kick his ass and take names, and that’s what people want right?

I can't say whether this is true or not, but I remember someone mentioning that Singer intended to have Rogue develop a darker edge because of Magneto and what he'd done. I'm not convinced, but it wouldn't be that big of stretch as far as progress grows. She was ready to "kick his ass"(pfft) because she was bitter, not because he threatened her life or anyone else's.

…and I don’t think she is shown having issues with feeling comfortable among the others is so far as her usefulness… unless I missed something? She seemed pretty useful and willing to step up to me. I guess after having watched X2 for the first time, I just didn’t get the impression that she would be up and curing herself anytime soon.
eh, that my just be me expressing my issues with her usefulness.:o


I think Rogue began to first doubt herself when she kissed Cody Robbins and saw that she placed him into a coma, because she then got scared and ran away… but she did become more comfortable with herself again… until, as you noted, she absorbed Ms. Marvel’s memories.

I meant in terms of doubts regarding her powers. Her abilities surfaced when she first kissed Cody, and while it left her shaken, she managed to get over it and wasn't shy about using her abilities as part of the Brotherhood any chance she got.
 
True, for the most part. However I didn't get the impression she was that much comfortable with her power. She didn't use them at all during the mansion raid, and was pretty hesitant when it came to touching Pyro.

Just want to point out that Pyro didn't use his powers during the raid either. And Bobby only did when she *made* him go back for Logan. And she didn't seem at all hesitant to me. Really, she should have let go a lot quicker than she did. :p
 

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