Homecoming The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread

[DrCosmic]

I'm not going to point fingers, but it's pretty disgusting to automatically label people who are maybe critical of this casting choice as racist.

I'm not taking a side on this right now. But it's insulting to call someone who maybe disagrees is racist.

True. I can't point fingers either, because I haven't seen it done, but if someone somewhere is doing that, they should stop and educate themselves. Racism doesn't require racists anymore. This is a great example actually. Anyone who has a problem with "Who moved my cheese" is going to want consistency, even in race portrayal, and thus, be for white actors and against black ones, even if they have no actual ill will towards any race at all. Racism without racists.

Especially, when I was perfectly fine with MCD as Kingpin, Laurence Fishburne as Perry White, Vondie-Curtis Hall as Ben Urich, or Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. And like I said, Will Smith wasn't my first choice for Deadshot but he did wow me. Whether this was from the characterization of the character or how Will played him, I am not sure, but it was a big surprise and a delight.

I'm not saying Zendaya isn't pretty or could deliver something if she is MJ but the whole keeping her true identity a secret is stupid, the set pics don't scream MJ to me, while Queens is diverse it seems they went a little overboard with changing races of characters even though they also created original characters too are different ethnicities ( ) and I like others was hoping for a white redheaded girl to play her.

I am not going to be like some where I am so purist that I won't see the film because MJ is now black but can't say I am happy about it just because I so badly wanted a real genuine redhead as MJ. However, if more changes come where it's say Tyne Daly as a female J. Jonah Jameson... one has to go, like Dark Raven talks about, are fans going to keep defending all of these changes or when do they feel things have gotten out of hand as far as changes go?

Here's the subtext that's troublesome. How can any number of ethnic changes be "out of hand." What hand are we even talking about here? What is the standard of racial updating, and what is it based on?

You wanted a natural redhead. I don't know why, but it makes you, personally, happy if the actress doesn't have to use hair dye that you'll never see. Okay, sure. Do you. But is you not getting that... out of hand?

Most people don't have a problem with SLJ as Nick Fury because Fury isn't their favorite character. You can bet your bounty, white guys who grew up and loved Fury as their favorite character really don't like Ultimate/SLJ/MCU Fury. Because they have very personal dreams and visions and fantasies of Fury and they have an imagine attached to that, perhaps one culled from the people around them, or their father or something, I dunno, I'm not that kind of Dr.

This is why they don't racelift Iron Man. Or Superman. Or Spider-Man. This is why no one cared about Ned Leeds or Liz Allen or even Flash Thompson (Though you can bet the Agent Venom fans are hot about that one).

But MJ is personal. Every Spidey fan has fantasized about MJ. And making her something other than that thing you've envisioned feels like something being taken away from you. A Spider-Man movie feels like a promise to fulfill your vision, which, you assume, is what most people and in fact, everyone who likes Spider-Man would envision.

It's just that... it's not. Your vision of Mary Jane isn't authoritative or even all that pervasive. It's just one idea, like everyone else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But only if I'm wrong.

 

[Jason Kane]

Are we sure it's not El whatshisname telling porkies?

Let this be very clear: Im black and I really don't see Coleman as a strong actress whatsoever and if its confirmed she is Mary Jane then my interest in the film has diminished to whete I wont pay a ticket

 

[terry78]

So they actually did it. This shall be interesting. By which I mean the fanboy outcry. Zendaya is no social media slouch and fires back if people get up in her face though.

 

[Web-Head]

Are we sure it's not El whatshisname telling porkies?

Let this be very clear: Im black and I really don't see Coleman as a strong actress whatsoever and if its confirmed she is Mary Jane then my interest in the film has diminished to whete I wont pay a ticket

It still could be. Nobody else has confirmed or denied it. Mayimbe doesn't have the greatest track record when it comes to Marvel stuff.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So they actually did it. This shall be interesting. By which I mean the fanboy outcry. Zendaya is no social media slouch and fires back if people get up in her face though.

She's a tough cookie.

 

[def28]

So they actually did it. This shall be interesting. By which I mean the fanboy outcry. Zendaya is no social media slouch and fires back if people get up in her face though.

She's in a tough position with this leak though. She can't really talk about or confirm playing the character since it was allegedly intended to be a twist.

Marvel's gotta be pissed at this.

 

[Jason Kane]

ah i see mark millar called people racist who dont support this casting lol

This coming from a schmuck who can't write black characters for crap. Millar can take a ****ing seat

 

[Kurenai]

Are we sure it's not El whatshisname telling porkies?

Let this be very clear: Im black and I really don't see Coleman as a strong actress whatsoever and if its confirmed she is Mary Jane then my interest in the film has diminished to whete I wont pay a ticket

He released this info on TheWrap, and not his own where he's allowed to be a **** up, the fact that he has beef with Sony and did this to get back at them makes it seem all the more believable than just having a scoop, some verified accounts who work in the media have seemingly known this info which adds weight, James Gunn and Dan Slot got involved in the backlash, them responding to people over a rumor seems dumb tho, which means there's truth to it.

Also for some reason people who are minorities always want to state something about being a minority when they're talking about racebending or minority casting in a negative way, not knowing that that just like "white posters" what you say can be interpreted as racial, it's called anti blackness, and so on and so forth for other races.

As for Zendaya, she hasn't been in anything outside of Disney for you to say she is or isn't a strong actress, either way the people who have seen the sdcc clip very much liked Zendaya's acting.

So they actually did it. This shall be interesting. By which I mean the fanboy outcry. Zendaya is no social media slouch and fires back if people get up in her face though.

Zendaya can definitely handle it and clap back, but she won't be able to respond since this whole MJ and her reveal was suppose to be a secret and everything.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'm just still overjoyed Zendaya's going to be MJ.

 

[Jason Kane]

It still could be. Nobody else has confirmed or denied it. Mayimbe doesn't have the greatest track record when it comes to Marvel stuff.

I hope he is incorrect otherwise Marvrl has fallen victim to the pisspoor alias/obvious reveal virus that falls JJ Abrams' doorstep or if not an early example, Christopher Nolan (i.e. Talia/Miranda Tate)

 

[Web-Head]

He released this info on TheWrap, and not his own where he's allowed to be a **** up, the fact that he has beef with Sony and did this to get back at him makes it seem all the more true, some verified accounts have seemingly known this, James Gunn and Dan Slot got involved for some reason so it doesn't look like a rumor anymore.

Also for some reason people who are minorities always want to state something about being a minority when they're talking about racebending or minority casting in a negative way, not knowing that that just like white posters what you say can be interpreted as racial, it's called anti blackness, and so on and so forth for other races.

As for Zendaya, she hasn't been in anything outside of Disney for you to say she is or isn't a strong actress, either way the people have seen the clip like Zendaya's acting.



Zendaya can definitely handle it, but she won't be able to respond since this whole MJ and her reveal was suppose to be a secret and everything.

Gunn clarified that he wasn't confirming Zendaya as MJ. But, he did say he was going to find out today and hasn't said anything else.

 

[X Knight]

I doubt Gunn would even be allowed to confirm anything either way - even if he knew.

it's not his film.

 

[DigificWriter]

Unless they don't care about being seen as a legitimate news entity, there's no way The Wrap would've let this guy release this information and intentionally break confidentiality agreements if this Zendaya is MJ thing is true and was meant to be revealed at the end of the movie... which is one of several reasons why I remain skeptical and why I think others ought to remain skeptical - or at least cautious - as well.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Oh for God's sake... Is it really that big of a fuss?

Do you guys really care THAT intensely about this casting decision? We have NINE confirmed MCU films up through the end of 2019, and fans are really losing their cool about the casting of a love interest?

Lordy....

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You skeptics remain skeptical to your heart's content, I'll live in the real world. I 100% believe the report until Marvel or the other trades debunk it.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Michael B Jordan wasn't anything like Johnny Storm though. People speculated he would be and would nail the character based on either his real life personality or other characters he's portrayed, but he wasn't like that at all. He was very brooding and weighed down with angst.

And then FFINO defenders argued afterwards that this was the portrayal that MBJ was going for, so he DID nail his portrayal.

James Gunn said this on his Facebook page:



But if MJ does turn out to be awkward and dry and mousey, then in what sense has she captured that alpha female playfulness?

But I'm guessing we'll then hear something similar for MJ that we did about MBJ for Johnny Storm that she was giving a different portrayal of MJ that WAS meant to be awkward and non-alpha female or playful, so she DID capture that version she was going for, even though it's nothing like traditional MJ.

Bam!

 

[KalvinEllis]

Oh for God's sake... Is it really that big of a fuss?

Do you guys really care THAT intensely about this casting decision? We have NINE confirmed MCU films up through the end of 2019, and fans are really losing their cool about the casting of a love interest?

Lordy....

She is arguably the most important love interest in the superhero world. So yeah, people can be passionate about it. lol

 

[Godzillasaurus]

And what's the deal with that rumored "reveal" as the film's climax unfolds? Who is going to give a damn at all? It's nothing rounding the boundaries of a true reveal, like the "SHIELD has been usurped by HYDRA" plot-point

 

[TheVileOne]

True. I can't point fingers either, because I haven't seen it done, but if someone somewhere is doing that, they should stop and educate themselves. Racism doesn't require racists anymore. This is a great example actually. Anyone who has a problem with "Who moved my cheese" is going to want consistency, even in race portrayal, and thus, be for white actors and against black ones, even if they have no actual ill will towards any race at all. Racism without racists.

I can't help but feel your response here is somewhat backhanded. Oh well.

 

[ImOctavius]

This rumour came from Umberto Gonzalez. Nothing more to add.

 

[Web-Head]

This rumour came from Umberto Gonzalez. Nothing more to add.

Eh, I mean, he works for a respectable news cite now in the Wrap. It's not like he still works for Latino Review

 

[DigificWriter]

Like I said earlier, The Wrap can't be all that respectable if they'd allow a reporter to willingly leak something that wasn't supposed to be leaked.

 

[ImOctavius]

To me there's no difference. Maybe he's right, but I can't believe him.

 

[Web-Head]

The Wrap can't be all that respectable if they'd allow a reporter to willingly leak something that wasn't supposed to be leaked.

That's true
Probably why others haven't reported it too now that I think about it.

 

[X Knight]

isn't the source an "early draft?"

well, an early draft can be quite different compared to the final draft.

I mean, maybe an early draft did originally have Z's character as MJ. but later draft revisions changed it.

who the hell knows.......