The Dark Knight Rises They should bring back Ra's for Batman 3

[FenderBoy]

I don't know how, but I think it'd be badass to bring back Ra's (Liam Neeson) and have him help Two-Face in his vigilante revenge. I mean, they could easily come up with a good way to explain his "death." Afterall, Ra's never really dies, even in the realism of Nolan's Batman, he could have survived. I say this also because I think continuous villains are a good thing in superhero stories (comics and movies). That's one thing that always bugged me about other superhero movies, like Burton's Batman, they just kill off the villains. Thoughts?

 

[elgato]

No.

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C'mon, nolan can come up with something fresh, and we will aready have Two Face, and probly get a new villain, and as I have understood, it could be a certain female feline

 

[Fred-Green]

meh... if anybody should comeback it was joker. if HEs not coming back then i would prefer they give some other villain we haven't seen a time to shine

 

[Killing Joke926]

Hmmmmm............I kinda feel like what was between Batsy and Ra's kinda sorta began and ended in BB; I think right now after TDK I think it should focus more on Two-Face, possibly Joker, and another new villain to the trilogy. However, if it goes further than the three I'm all for more Ra's; as for now though I think they're fine we're they're at right now.

 

[Joker]

I dont think they need Ra's back so soon. Not till movie #5 or 6 at least.

 

[last_life]

I think he should come back but as a haunting memory in the dreams of Bruce.

Like Bruce dreaming about not preventing Harvey's loss of sanity and Liam comes in and reiterates: "I told you about compassion Bruce."

Good Stuff IMO.

 

[Killing Joke926]

I think he should come back but as a haunting memory in the dreams of Bruce.

Like Bruce dreaming about not preventing Harvey's loss of sanity and Liam comes in and reiterates: "I told you about compassion Bruce."

Good Stuff IMO.

Hurm.........very good stuff indeed.

 

[FenderBoy]

I like the flashbacks/dreams idea. And I don't think the Joker is coming back, and certainly I want the focus to be Bats and Two-Face.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Rahs is dead. There's no way he could've survived that crash. And I can't see how Nolan would use the Lazarus Pit or make Rahs immortal either. The only way Rahs the name, not the character, could return is if Rahs Al Ghul is just a name, a legendary name that many are reluctant and hesitant to speak or use because Rahs has been made sort of like The Phantom, as if he is a ghost that keeps walking and living on, but only Batman has seen his face.

The only other way Rahs could come back as a name, would be with Talia. She could fool Bruce into thinking that Rahs has returned, but it is her who has taken her father's place as the leader of the League of Shadows.

The only villain I want back is Joker. I'd hate to see him just go to jail and that's it. Two-Face's arc will be all wrapped up after movie 3, but Joker has potential to be a villain that could appear in another movie. He could be incarcerated in Arkam for movie 3, but return in movie 4, with a whole new face but same personality. Why I say a new face is because we are replacing Heath, you need an actor who sounds alot like Heath and looks like Heath, but I think this time Joker being locked away in Arkam has become obsessed with totally looking like a clown. So, he bleaches his skin white. If Michael Jackson could bleach skin, than why couldn't Joker?

 

[last_life]

Well the reason why I think it could work is that Two Face in a way is what Ra would have wanted. A pure soldier with no pity or mercy who does the "right" thing to do.

So not only would Bruce be full of gilt of letting Harvey down, but also thinking "Was Ra' right?"

I think it would be a good way to go full circle.

 

[last_life]

Rahs is dead. There's no way he could've survived that crash. And I can't see how Nolan would use the Lazarus Pit or make Rahs immortal either. The only way Rahs the name, not the character, could return is if Rahs Al Ghul is just a name, a legendary name that many are reluctant and hesitant to speak or use because Rahs has been made sort of like The Phantom, as if he is a ghost that keeps walking and living on, but only Batman has seen his face.

The only other way Rahs could come back as a name, would be with Talia. She could fool Bruce into thinking that Rahs has returned, but it is her who has taken her father's place as the leader of the League of Shadows.

The only villain I want back is Joker. I'd hate to see him just go to jail and that's it. Two-Face's arc will be all wrapped up after movie 3, but Joker has potential to be a villain that could appear in another movie. He could be incarcerated in Arkam for movie 3, but return in movie 4, with a whole new face but same personality. Why I say a new face is because we are replacing Heath, you need an actor who sounds alot like Heath and looks like Heath, but I think this time Joker being locked away in Arkam has become obsessed with totally looking like a clown. So, he bleaches his skin white. If Michael Jackson could bleach skin, than why couldn't Joker?

1) Too soon. Nobody should emulate what Heath did. It would be a mockery at least and what you are thinking of is studio thinking. For shame.

2) What I like what Nolan did was keep Ra's story ambiguous. I love that little gesture were Ra is just sitting there in meditation. To the normal movie goer, it just seems like he is accepting his face. To comic book fans, we know what is up.

Its a nice way to realistically work around a supernatural problem. t:

 

[omerhead]

I think it's a great idea to bring Ra's Al Ghul back from the dead, but I would prefer if they use him for a Batman film after the third film IMO.

 

[Aidan2209]

No, but seriously, he died. He isn't immortal (unless in a metaphorical sense). He can't be resurrected. The train crashed and exploded. He is now deceased. It isn't significant that you didn't see his body being thrown around the carriage and consumed by fire. Seeing the train crash and explode was enough. He's dead. Trying to explain how he survived would be ham-handed and silly, and ultimately unnecessary. Ra's is dead, he isn't coming back, even if they do any other films.

 

[omerhead]

I don't think the Lazarus Pit is stupid, they could introduce it without stretching it's origins and keeping it mysterious just like Wolverine past.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I had an idea (and it's in my Batman comic that I will be releasing some pages and excerpts from today) but I had an idea that Rahs is indeed dead but he has a hand in Riddler's work. If Joker is not brought back in a future film, than I think Rahs or at least the League of Shadows or Talia could have a hand in pulling the strings; being the machination that is controlling everything and moving things along to an even worse state than what Rahs began in "BB" or what Joker does in "TDK."

Rahs promised chaos, he promised anarchy, he promised Gotham would fall. Joker almost succeeds in making it plunge into the depths of panic and terror but I think Rahs to be the grand mastermind behind all things; the ventriloquist behind the curtain pulling the strings for other criminals would be an unique effect. It'd show that even if Rahs is dead or persumed dead, that he still has a effect or presence in Gotham.

 

[omerhead]

That's a pretty good idea, it sound like something that Christopher Nolan might do.

 

[souvlaki]

What is with everyone dismissing the idea of using the lazurus pit with Ra's? I fail to see why, just because Christopher Nolan is doing a more "realistic" take on Batman (what, Denny O'Neal didn't?), he can't introduce the lazurus pit. I mean, this is the same man that introduced the microwave emitter in Begins that somehow doesn't affect humans. The lazurus pit has been a part of Batman's history for almost forty years now. There was nothing in Begins that completely dismissed the possibility that the lazurus pit exists. I'm not saying that I necessarily want Ra's to return, but it would certainly not be a bad way to wrap up the series if he were to return toward the end of the next film. What I can't believe is there are people here that would rather see Heath Ledger re-cast as soon as the next film than Liam Neeson return as Ra's. I mean seriously people, I can understand not wanting Ra's to return because you want to see other villains, but I can't understand people saying they'd rather see the Joker return when the actor, who according to every review out there completely nailed the part, would be unable to return. It's too soon. The general public was already complaining when Heath was cast because as far as they were concerned at the time, nobody was going to top Jack Nicholson. Could you imagine the reaction if Nolan got someone else to fill in for Heath? Why is it so hard to just wait until someone other than Nolan takes a shot at Batman?

 

[omerhead]

I agree, I think the lazurus pit concept is pretty realistic. I don't know why people keep dismissing it,
maybe only comic book fans appreciate the concept.

 

[FenderBoy]

Ra's would work really well with Harvey Two-Face. I mean, Ra's was not about anarchy and chaos. He was about order and justice, by any means necessary, and he saw mankind as corrupt and unworthy. Thus, he could help Harvey Two-Face bring REAL justice to Gotham. Of course, as Bruce found out, Ra's's idea of justice and order are far different from his. Ra's could easily exploit Harvey Two-Face in the same way he tried to use Bruce to force justice on mankind. I think this would work really well, although I don't expect it to happen, but it's fun to speculate.

 

[rzatherazor]

I think you have a good point, but I think it'd be too hard to put on screen and allow pepole to enjoy it.

 

[Anakinos]

I dont think they need Ra's back so soon. Not till movie #5 or 6 at least.

I can live with that.

I think he should come back but as a haunting memory in the dreams of Bruce.

Like Bruce dreaming about not preventing Harvey's loss of sanity and Liam comes in and reiterates: "I told you about compassion Bruce."

Good Stuff IMO.

Nows theres a cameo that has Nolan's style all over it. He could also do a flash back of the joker killing a certain someone that makes bruce realize what he has to become to stop men like him.

 

[JAX]

No, but seriously, he died. He isn't immortal (unless in a metaphorical sense). He can't be resurrected. The train crashed and exploded. He is now deceased.

That may or may not be the case. If you've watched the scene (which I'm sure someone here has a clip of) you could see someone or something jumping from the train. Not to disagree, but a cameo by Ra's in future films would be cool. Just not a whole arc around him.

 

[Caladbolg]

No, but seriously, he died. He isn't immortal (unless in a metaphorical sense). He can't be resurrected. The train crashed and exploded. He is now deceased. It isn't significant that you didn't see his body being thrown around the carriage and consumed by fire. Seeing the train crash and explode was enough. He's dead. Trying to explain how he survived would be ham-handed and silly, and ultimately unnecessary. Ra's is dead, he isn't coming back, even if they do any other films.

Agree.

 

[El Payaso]

Rahs is dead. There's no way he could've survived that crash. And I can't see how Nolan would use the Lazarus Pit or make Rahs immortal either. The only way Rahs the name, not the character, could return is if Rahs Al Ghul is just a name, a legendary name that many are reluctant and hesitant to speak or use because Rahs has been made sort of like The Phantom, as if he is a ghost that keeps walking and living on, but only Batman has seen his face.

I agree. Specially on the first three words.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

After, seeing "Wanted" the Lazarus Pit might work if you don't call it that but used the same pool they would dipped themselves in or bathe in to heal up their wounds and cauterize their cuts. Once again I don't know how Rahs could've ever survived the train crash but if you were to bring in the Pit that's how I would do it but I think Talia should take over the name and mess with Bruce's head about him being either alive or dead. He keeps hearing murmurs or whispers of his name is close quarters thinking it's possible he did survive but it's her who's decieving him and she takes on the name and the League of Shadows as a method of revenge. This would show like I stated before that Rahs still has a hand in puppeteering and motioning things; bringing on new terrors and supervillains to challenge our hero.