The Dark Knight Rises They should bring back Ra's for Batman 3

[darkseid26]

bring in talia and catwoman, and batman can watch them catfight.

 

[DACrowe]

Wow I'd love the character (one of my top 3 Batman villains) and Liam Neeson to come back. The series doesn't need him, move on.

Now, I could see them bringing Talia Al Ghul into a third movie. But I suspect we'll see Catwoman before we see Talia, though.

 

[Frontier]

So, this ties in with another post I'm going to make in the Begins section, but, I had some ideas and... one of them is, what if Thomas Wayne was involved with the League of Shadows? What if Ducard, when they tried their new weapon of economics, tried to reason with Wayne and stop his altruism, tried to explain that by causing a depression people would leave, and lives would not need to be sacrificed. No "plague rats" or "burning London to the ground" or "sacking Rome" - no, they could kill Gotham by depriving it of money and forcing people to leave, and then rebuild. Thomas Wayne, like his son, believed in the good though, and fought Ducard. And so... Ducard arranged for Joe Chill to kill them.

Ra's could be a really scary enemy for Bruce/Batman. He knows him well, knows all his secrets, trained him, knows his limits and what will stop him, shock him, distract him. He uses the daughter Wayne never knew he had, Talia, as a distraction - though she ends up falling for Bruce and dances on the fence of helping him or her father. He threatens Bruce in every way he can; threatens to reveal his identity, sets up a scenario where a number of thugs pull guns on parents out with their child and kills the parents to enrage Bruce, to make him watch such a thing, to use his own demons against him. They could completely gloss over his survival - or return - from Begins, just as they omitted the Joker's origins - in order to both add mystery, and to make him a much more imposing enemy.

Just a thought...

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I'm surprised that few fans have considered that Ra's might actually return... and that the Joker was yet another one of his tools to bring Gotham to its knees and destroy it.

In my mind, he's still very much alive, biding his time.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

I just don't see The Lazarus Pit in the Nolan movies.

 

[Coleman Reese]

I can't see how they would bring him back without the lazarus pit and this pushes it outside the realism aspect of this franchise.

 

[Frontier]

I just don't see The Lazarus Pit in the Nolan movies.

You don't have to have it. They don't have to explain it. Nolan left Joker's origins unknown because it made him more mysterious, and more absolute. The same would be accomplished with Ra's. If it's unknown how he survived, he becomes a whole new level of threat. By keeping that a secret, it makes him an unknown element. Can anything really stop him for good? Apparent death did not.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Here's a thought: He jumped out of the train before the explosion.

....?!?!?

And I'm not one of those nuts that thinks they see him do it in BB. It would've happened off-screen.

 

[The Major]

Ra's could be physically weak from his injuries in Batman Begins.

He could be calling the shots while others do the dirty work. Bane and/or Talia could be the League's field leaders.

 

[Coleman Reese]

Ok let's get past the explanations for brining Ra's back and query why reuse Ra's when you could just use another villain? Thematically Ra's was wrapped up at the closing of BB. So why does he come back? I don't see Nolan going the cliched revenge route that's been done a hundred times before. And for what purpose to try and destroy Gotham again after he failed once already?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Ok let's get past the explanations for brining Ra's back and query why reuse Ra's when you could just use another villain? Thematically Ra's was wrapped up at the closing of BB. So why does he come back? I don't see Nolan going the cliched revenge route that's been done a hundred times before. And for what purpose to try and destroy Gotham again after he failed once already?

You're right. If at first you don't succeed, give up entirely.

 

[Coleman Reese]

You're right. If at first you don't succeed, give up entirely.

If you can come up with a fresh motivation for Ra's that fits in with where Batman 3 looks to be going with Batman being hunted down and such that Ra's would be a better choice than using another fresh, new villain I'm all ears.

 

[The Major]

If you can come up with a fresh motivation for Ra's that fits in with where Batman 3 looks to be going with Batman being hunted down and such that Ra's would be a better choice than using another fresh, new villain I'm all ears.

I agree.

They should just use Talia instead.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

If you can come up with a fresh motivation for Ra's that fits in with where Batman 3 looks to be going with Batman being hunted down and such that Ra's would be a better choice than using another fresh, new villain I'm all ears.

Why would he need a fresh motivation? He wants to destroy Gotham under Batman's nose. Period. That leaves countless doors open to the possibilities of "how."

I trust Nolan to come up with a supreme story in BB3, whether that involved Ra's or not.

 

[Coleman Reese]

Why would we need a fresh motivation? He wants to destroy Gotham under Batman's nose. Period. That leaves countless doors open as to the "how" of that.

I trust Nolan to come up with a supreme story in BB3, whether that involved Ra's or not.

Do you really wanna rehash a whole Ra's and the league of shadows surreptitiously trying to destroy Gotham again plot? Should creativity take a backseat to laziness?

 

[Symbiotic]

Here's a thought: He jumped out of the train before the explosion.

....?!?!?

And I'm not one of those nuts that thinks they see him do it in BB. It would've happened off-screen.

That's really the only way he could've survived.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

I think the story needs to progress. Batman Begins was about Bruce saving Gotham, TDK is the start of a new class of criminal, and the third should be about the freaks taking over, leaving us with Batman having to take them on forever. So I rather see a bunch of minor villains running around (Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, Ventriloquist), with mob leaders trying to take over (Black Mask, and Penguin), and the big storyline being taken up by maybe someone like Riddler, Bane, or Two-Face.

 

[Blader5489]

Here's a thought: He jumped out of the train before the explosion.

Into what? Did the League of Shadows set up a huge safety net underneath the train tracks?

 

[The Major]

Do you really wanna rehash a whole Ra's and the league of shadows surreptitiously trying to destroy Gotham again plot? Should creativity take a backseat to laziness?

Reusing Ra's or the League of Shadows again doesn't mean its creatively lazy.

It means there's more story to be told about those characters.

If they did appear it wouldn't be Batman Begins 2.0. Things would be different. Unlike before they know how Batman operates more then they did the last time.
The events after BB and TDK would give them new perspectives on how to handle Batman and Gotham.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I wouldnt mind Talia taking her father's throne so to speak.

But bringing back Ra's is an easy fix. First of all, I think one of the ways to top Joker is to surreal. But I really think that as long as Nolan says so anything is possible. There comes a time when you got to say, "**** it"

Of course ultimately Id rather see someone like Bane or Freeze done well, or a character we havent seen at all

 

[The Major]

I wouldnt mind Talia taking her father's throne so to speak.

But bringing back Ra's is an easy fix. First of all, I think one of the ways to top Joker is to surreal. But I really think that as long as Nolan says so anything is possible. There comes a time when you got to say, "**** it"

Agreed.

Of course ultimately Id rather see someone like Bane or Freeze done well, or a character we haven't seen at all

That's why I'd be disappointed if they wrap this up with a trilogy.

Id like to see other directors, like Fincher, explore Nolan's world if he wants to leave the franchise after 2 or 3.

 

[marukisu]

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[Superwoman Prime]

Into what? Did the League of Shadows set up a huge safety net underneath the train tracks?

He jumped to.... the hard concrete ground, and hurt himself. The train wasn't on the bridge when it exploded. It was in Wayne Tower.

Seriously, a lot of people on SHH don't even think before they make a post. It's getting intolerable to even read any of these threads.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'd love to see Ra's come back, but I think Nolan will use Talia instead.

 

[NoirMan82]

I was one of those nuts who thought they saw Ra's jump (it was just a piece of metal) but it would sort of be cool if we had a Darth Vader/Palpatine relationship with Talia and Ra's. Talia executing Ra's plans while he secretly remains in the shadows.