Rise of the Silver Surfer THING/Michael Chiklis DISCUSSION

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think they definately need to make more CG augments to the Thing in FF2, too many times his rubber look took me out of the movie in FF. Chiklis was great though.

 

[Malus]

You need to feel like there's a 1000 lb boulder standing next to Reed, not a guy in a foam suit that won't even dent the hood of a car when he's thrown onto it from 50 yards away!

HaHa So true...He landed on that old lady's car like a rag doll. Worst moment of the movie for me.

And don't show his teeth!

Disagree. The Thing has always had teeth in the comics. They're just not shown that often...Creative license. No teeth? On film that might be distracting.

 

[gerbstat]

 

[iceberg325]

bigger and done with CGI

 

[Kelly]

Not all CGI, but yes some enhancement with CGI.

 

[Angelus7181]

Not all CGI, but yes some enhancement with CGI.

I hope it's CGI we can't notice.. I do agree he needs to be bigger and more distuctive without him even trying to be.

 

[Kelly]

Don't try to make his arms look bigger by making his hands smaller! Make his arms bigger! The Thing has MASSIVE hands! They need to make a better device for helping him make a fist, agreed, or just do his entire Body CGI like I said. That would take care of the wrinkles, the faom-rubber "shine", and the size issue, and you'd still get Chick's facial prformance AND he wouldn't have to wear that suit that he hates so much!

You have a man in the suit, you make it much bigger than it already is, he will have little if no movement in it. Its not going to be all CGI people need to get that through their heads....Michael Chiklis will be inside that thing.....and you start making his arms bigger you cut down his ability to move, but if you make his hands slightly smaller then that will help in making the arms look bigger without having to make them bigger, AND will give him more flexibility in the hands that he did not have in the first movie.

 

[The Geek Vault]

I'd say a slightly bigger suit enhanced with CGI effects.

 

[Kelly]

I'd say a slightly bigger suit enhanced with CGI effects.

I don't see them making the suit bigger, it was already 60lbs...of extra weight on Michael....more CGI I see coming, and maybe some changes to the facial features....I don't see much more than that.....EXCEPT A WAY FOR HIM TO DO his business.....if you know what I mean.....

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better exemple, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing. Or look at Dark crystal, or the legend, or any of the big Jim Henson movies. Wonderful, all of them.

Heck, look at mr. Hyde from LXG. Make a thing as big as that (or rather, as wide, small in high, but wide) using those kinds of makeup, and give him elbrows, and the right kind of noise, and we might actually get something good next time.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh.

 

[Malus]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better example, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh.

Can't argue with that.
Those turtles really did look great. They've been making creatures as difficult as Ben Grimm work without the benefit of CGI for a looong time.

 

[Hunter Rider]

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[Spoarz™]

I feel that the Thing should look as he did in the first film. Maybe they can add the odd touch of CGI should the costume look too wrinkled or maybe add a little CGI rock dust, but other than that, they should keep the costume as it is IMO.

 

[iceberg325]

He should look like this !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm with a lot of you in that I think the one, single, biggest issue (possibly on the whole film) is to fix the wrinkles. I'd like to see them use some cgi, but I think they can also address it by making the "rocks" less flexible.

They need to spend some time trying some designs to lessen the wrinkling. I think I saw somewhere that they used higher density foam on the "rocks" and lower density foam in the cracks. That may have helped, but it obviously didn't work great. There are rigid epoxy coatings readily available. If they painted the rock surfaces with a thin layer of rigid epoxy, it would reduce the tendency for those surfaces to wrinkle. Then spots that still look bad can be touched up with CGI.

The wrinkles were probably the single, biggest problem I had with the visual effects. Every time I saw a wrinkle, it reminded me that he was just a guy in a rubber suit.

 

[Spider - Man]

You have a man in the suit, you make it much bigger than it already is, he will have little if no movement in it. Its not going to be all CGI people need to get that through their heads....Michael Chiklis will be inside that thing.....and you start making his arms bigger you cut down his ability to move, but if you make his hands slightly smaller then that will help in making the arms look bigger without having to make them bigger, AND will give him more flexibility in the hands that he did not have in the first movie.

That's why I'm in favor of having him wear the head makeup (cuz everyone is adamant that we be able to see his real emotions) but do his body cgi. I mean, Chic needed therapy last time around just to wear the suit for cryin out loud! They should spare him the agony! Here are some pics of a Thing with smaller hands. Do they look like they could smash down walls? 'Cause they don't to me!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here are some pics of a Thing with smaller hands. Do they look like they could smash down walls? 'Cause they don't to me!

I agree. The arms/hands looked much too small in the Corman version.

As for the face, I think (given the state of current technology) I'd go with motion capture and CGI rather than prosthetics if they choose to go with a more extreme face (and personally I'd like a more extreme face).

I've mentioned before that I really like the idea of MC wearing a suit that goes up to his neck with markers for CGI mapping on his face. That way we'd get his emotions and the suit should be much easier for him to deal with.

I think it's just a question of is the technology/cost to a point that something like that would be practical.

Since Weta did some work on X-Men, it seems possible that they may help with FF, and they would be the perfect ones to do something like that.

 

[Kelly]

I think we are disagreeing on simple degree of size here....

When I say smaller, I don't mean human size hands....simply small enough to give him more flexibility of the hands....

I also think this would help Michael in the mind game aspect as well.....he said he was fine while the hands were off....as soon as the hands went on he became claustrophobic....I think having more flexibility in the hands would help in that aspect.





LOL, I don't understand why in our discussions it has to be one end of the spectrum or the other....it gets really, really irritating after awhile.... degrees people....simply think SMALL DEGREES OF CHANGE.

 

[Kelly]

bump

 

[Obi-Ron]

Um...CGI hands?

 

[Excel]

ahhhh the thing; the one thing i really loved about the first movie. chiklis was fantastic. perfectly cast.

 

[Kelly]

Bump

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Too many times in the first movie, the fact that it was just a guy in a suit was aloud to show too much, this needs to be corrected, whatever way they do it.

 

[gerbstat]

 

[Obi-Ron]

Product placement? In a Fantastic Four movie? Pish posh!