thing vs juggernaut

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not really. Superheroes/supervillains sustain what should be crippling injuries all the time.
Bottom line, I have seen both movies repeatedly & I see no reason to believe the Thing is stronger than Juggernaut.

Well fair enough, but i see plenty of scene's that show that, jsut judging by the movies of course, The Thing is stronger. The Thing stops a huge truck travelling at a fair speed DEAD from a standing position. He pulled a firetruck back over bridge when 60% of it was hanging over the edge and launched AND flipped a car about 20 yards which then hit a bus and had the momentum to send it across a junction thats not too small, knocking other cars out of the way, all dwarf anything Juggernaut does strength wise in X3 IMO.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's simply a matter of the tasks set before them. Juggernaut mainly served as a battering ram. He wasn't required to lift anything heavy, so we don't really know what he can lift. He didn't go toe-to-toe w/anyone else who had super strength, so we don't know what kind of punishment he can take. The only thing he was required to impact were walls. All we really know, as they said, is "No object can stop him." Theoretically he'd just charge the Thing, plow through him & keep going.

 

[pifpaf]

thing tow 65 ton firetruck
juggy dont have enought stenght to freed himself of a prison truck

ben is one of toughest guy on marvel universe not by pure strenght but by heart and courage and fighting style
ben is among few guy how can make some round with the hulk.

ok .he dont win but jessus, ben have a lot of guts, in thats really count

 

[KingOfDreams]

Yup its true movie Thing would kick the crap out of movie Juggernaut, which IMO was the Marvel character who got jewed the most in any movie.

Jewed?

 

[juggster-rules]

You guys keep seeing a lack of ability where I see a lack of effort. Lightning is lightning. You mean to tell me someone capable of summoning a lightning bolt can't give it sufficient intensity to kill? W/the exception of Wolverine, the X-Men always see killing as an absolute last resort.
And how far did she send Sabretooth, when her main concern was just getting him off her?

doom didnt creat lightning. its electricity dude that he obsorbs from others objects and use it as a weapon. storm creates lighting of course.

 

[juggster-rules]

thing tow 65 ton firetruck
juggy dont have enought stenght to freed himself of a prison truck

ben is one of toughest guy on marvel universe not by pure strenght but by heart and courage and fighting style
ben is among few guy how can make some round with the hulk.

ok .he dont win but jessus, ben have a lot of guts, in thats really count

good point there. juggy wasnt strong enough to pull himself out when he was chained up. magneto had to help him out with that. and i think a firetruck weighs more than some chains holding you tight against the wall.

 

[Spade]

thing tow 65 ton firetruck

I'd believe you, if there were actually 65 ton firetrucks driving around. No, at max that firetruck was in the 15 ton range (probably close to 11). Then, if you take into account the fact that it was teetering he'd only be around the 60 ton range. And even if the Juggernaut is near him in power (doubtful), there is his mutant power of unstoppable motion to consider.

juggy dont have enought stenght to freed himself of a prison truck

We have no idea what metal was used to hold him in place. It was strong enough, though, that even tearing his way out of it with aid the collar stood unbroken around his neck. And, unrestrained, this is the same Juggernaut who freed himself from concrete with minimal effort.

ben is one of toughest guy on marvel universe not by pure strenght but by heart and courage and fighting style
ben is among few guy how can make some round with the hulk.

The movie Hulk and movie Thing aren't even in the same class. The movie Thing strained when he had to keep the truck from falling, and only managed to keep it from falling under extreme effort. Even considering the incline and having to work against gravity I'd only put him in the 60 ton range. The sheer force it would take for the Hulk to conceivably throw that tank as he did in his feature film would put him in the 10,000 ton range. Yes, you may argue that the Thing is closer to the Hulk in the Marvel Universe, but in the movie universe there have yet to be signs in the Fantastic Four film to put him even close to the Hulk.

 

[juggster-rules]

I'd believe you, if there were actually 65 ton firetrucks driving around. No, at max that firetruck was in the 15 ton range (probably close to 11). Then, if you take into account the fact that it was teetering he'd only be around the 60 ton range. And even if the Juggernaut is near him in power (doubtful), there is his mutant power of unstoppable motion to consider.



We have no idea what metal was used to hold him in place. It was strong enough, though, that even tearing his way out of it with aid the collar stood unbroken around his neck. And, unrestrained, this is the same Juggernaut who freed himself from concrete with minimal effort.



The movie Hulk and movie Thing aren't even in the same class. The movie Thing strained when he had to keep the truck from falling, and only managed to keep it from falling under extreme effort. Even considering the incline and having to work against gravity I'd only put him in the 60 ton range. The sheer force it would take for the Hulk to conceivably throw that tank as he did in his feature film would put him in the 10,000 ton range. Yes, you may argue that the Thing is closer to the Hulk in the Marvel Universe, but in the movie universe there have yet to be signs in the Fantastic Four film to put him even close to the Hulk.

waist of time even putting in movie hulk into this thread. he creams juggy and thing in a sec. even those mutant animals he was fighting in the woods would kick thing and juggys ass both.

 

[mrdeeds]

Juggernaut wins with little contest

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's simply a matter of the tasks set before them. Juggernaut mainly served as a battering ram. He wasn't required to lift anything heavy, so we don't really know what he can lift. He didn't go toe-to-toe w/anyone else who had super strength, so we don't know what kind of punishment he can take. The only thing he was required to impact were walls. All we really know, as they said, is "No object can stop him." Theoretically he'd just charge the Thing, plow through him & keep going.

Well we've only got the movies to judge by havent we, as these are not the comic book counter parts, we have to look to the movies for proof of their strength, and The Thing trounces Juggernaut in that department. As someone else said Juggernaut couldnt even free himself from the restraints in the truck.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

doom didnt creat lightning. its electricity dude that he obsorbs from others objects and use it as a weapon. storm creates lighting of course.

He knows Doom didnt create lightning, he was just speaking figuratively as they are similar attacks.

 

[Dynasty]

'Jewed'?

I watch too much South Park, my apologizes. ALL I meant was that Juggs got the worst treatment out of all the X-Men characters. I'm sorry if anyone took this the wrong way, I'll be more careful next time.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Well your right there Dynasty.

 

[Chris Wallace]

He knows Doom didnt create lightning, he was just speaking figuratively as they are similar attacks.

Yup.

 

[Chris Wallace]

good point there. juggy wasnt strong enough to pull himself out when he was chained up. magneto had to help him out with that. and i think a firetruck weighs more than some chains holding you tight against the wall.

It's a matter of leverage. By that same token, let's not forget that Ben couldn't free himself when Reed wrapped himself around him. Strength is useless if you can't apply your muscles. Even the Hulk could be immobilized if you did it right.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's a matter of leverage. By that same token, let's not forget that Ben couldn't free himself when Reed wrapped himself around him. Strength is useless if you can't apply your muscles. Even the Hulk could be immobilized if you did it right.

Again i disagree here. The metal holding Juggernaut was not unbreakable and it was unstretchable, therfore it would be easier to break out of IMO. With Reed, he was flexable, bendable, and stretchable, meaning he could wrap himself around Ben countless times and then tighten himself up. he had to wrap himself around Ben multiple times just to get him to a point were he couldnt movie easily.

I havent explained that the best but hopefully you get my point.

 

[pifpaf]

I'd believe you, if there were actually 65 ton firetrucks driving around. No, at max that firetruck was in the 15 ton range (probably close to 11). Then, if you take into account the fact that it was teetering he'd only be around the 60 ton range. And even if the Juggernaut is near him in power (doubtful), there is his mutant power of unstoppable motion to consider.



We have no idea what metal was used to hold him in place. It was strong enough, though, that even tearing his way out of it with aid the collar stood unbroken around his neck. And, unrestrained, this is the same Juggernaut who freed himself from concrete with minimal effort.



The movie Hulk and movie Thing aren't even in the same class. The movie Thing strained when he had to keep the truck from falling, and only managed to keep it from falling under extreme effort. Even considering the incline and having to work against gravity I'd only put him in the 60 ton range. The sheer force it would take for the Hulk to conceivably throw that tank as he did in his feature film would put him in the 10,000 ton range. Yes, you may argue that the Thing is closer to the Hulk in the Marvel Universe, but in the movie universe there have yet to be signs in the Fantastic Four film to put him even close to the Hulk.

you have a good point thats no the main point

ben is one of toughest guy on marvel universe not by pure strenght(hulk is very far stronger)

by heart and courage and fighting style (very important)
ben is among few guy how can make some round with the hulk.

ok .he dont win but jessus, ben have a lot of guts, in thats really count

most people forget somthing: heart, COURAGE and GUTS and this really matter in trhis tread, sometime you people you forget that

ben a evolutive strenght the fist years ben can lift only 5 ton tody he can lift 85

 

[pifpaf]

most people mix fighting style and strenght
btw i have humble exampl: i do weight liftting i am strong for a no olympian level(a bech press 3x10 360lbs and my friend lift with unease 200lbs(1 time) we made a friendly wresling macht and you know what!!! he kick my ass!! i was on the floor for the count.i cant even able to touch him or grab him

ok he a amateur wrestling. but he kick my ass!!!!

 

[Chris Wallace]

That does count for something, I'll give you that. Guts & determination enabled Spider-Man to go the distance w/Juggernaut, & this was w/Juggy at the height of his power.

 

[pifpaf]

That does count for something, I'll give you that. Guts & determination enabled Spider-Man to go the distance w/Juggernaut, & this was w/Juggy at the height of his power.

or beat firelord

 

[juggster-rules]

It's a matter of leverage. By that same token, let's not forget that Ben couldn't free himself when Reed wrapped himself around him. Strength is useless if you can't apply your muscles. Even the Hulk could be immobilized if you did it right.

reed has thing wrapped around his whole body really tight. they only put juggys hands and legs chained against the wall.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

reed has thing wrapped around his whole body really tight. they only put juggys hands and legs chained against the wall.

Exactly, it would have been a lot harder for Ben to get out of his predicament than it was for Juggernaut.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe, maybe not. Truth be told, the actual strength level is irrelevant. If Juggy found Ben to be a threat strength-wise he'd just charge him over & over. Damn what Ben did to a truck . "NO OBJECT CAN STOP HIM".

 

[Spade]

Well, endurance and stamina count for alot. But even some things can't circumvent the brass tacks. Like Chris_Wallace said, looking at their basic motifs there isn't a whole lot the Thing could hope to do. Maybe if Leech happened to pass by as the fight was happening, things could go to his favor. But even then this would be an uphill battle from the getgo for Ben.

 

[juggster-rules]

face it guys. thing clobbers juggy. i didnt see juggy pulling a firetruck off a bridge or picking up a car and throwing it like thing did.