Things Smallville got right

[LightningFlash]

I'm certain they admitted their mistakes, and learned from them. We didn't get another Jimmy Olson thing.
Also, EWWW, bad mental image of Doomsday. Thanks.

And no, Escape was not bad. Opinions will always differ. But you'll never change my mind.
The worst episodes of Smallville to me were the Christmas ones.

We had always called Doomsday the giant grey condom back in K-Site, haha.

And are you referring to the mistake of Jimmy Olsen or the mistake of just using Doomsday? I was only referring to the fact that I haven't heard anything about them acknowledging their mistakes with the villain.

And yes, our opinions will differ, just because I myself loved "Lexmas"(Were there other Christmas episodes?), which was a Christmas episode. I always loved a good Lex-centered episode. One reason why I don't like Smallville so much; SV did its greatest when they dealt with the character of Lex Luthor. One of the best seventh season episodes was "Fracture", imo, and it was because of Lex's story.

 

[LostSon88]

If the creators wanted Chloe to be Lois, then she should have been Lois from the beginning instead of this contrived business of Chloe renaming herself Lois and dyeing her hair. I mean, isn't there enough weird stuff on the show already?

To this day I still find this to be one of the STUPIDEST theories I have ever heard...

 

[LightningFlash]

Let alone, after "Phantom" aired, everyone thought that theory would come to fruition when Chloe ended up healing Lois.

 

[SpideyVille]

I wasn't into the series at the time, but I can imagine people also thought it was more of a reality in "Delete", back in season 3 when Chloe used Lois' name some stories she that she wanted to have looked over for the DP.

But seriously where did that theory even come from?

 

[LightningFlash]

I think the theory was started, or at least more forced upon, because of "Delete".

 

[annie.j88]

probably one of the funniest things iv'e ever heard...

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I agree with alot. Casting the Kents younger and in general the casting has been great. Welling, Durance, Rosenbaum are up there with the best. They are probably my favourite overall as a unit at playing those characters just edging out Cain, Hatcher and Shea. John Glover was amazing too. I'd actually include Ashmore's Jimmy if they hadn't ruined that. Hartley has really grown on me too and most of the JLA/JSA/Legion has been an absolute joy to see onscreen. We've had some amazing guest stars like Chris Reeve, Margot Kidder, Dean Cain, Michael McKean, Pam Grier, Linda Carter, Michael Ironside, James Marsters and erm...Tori Spelling.

Lex in the beginning as Clark's friend and the creation of Lionel was also a really nice addition to the mythos (even tho they've since screwed it up in the comics).

Meteor shower was also a great addition as it made Kal-El's arrival even more epic. Special effects in general and particularly in the early seasons were fantastic.

I've also liked the new spin on the Lois/Clark romance with them meeting younger. It was fresh and different but enough of the same as Lois & Clark (my favourite interpertation) for me to enjoy. Superman/Lois should always be secondary to her and Clark.

 

[Sub-Zero]

the best thing was the characterization of lex. rosenbaum was by far the best actor on the show. in the superboy comics, superboy saved lex's life, so he wanted to thank him by creating a cure for kryptonite. i think a fire in his lab that superboy put out caused him to lose his hair making them enemies. i like that they built upon that. the whole phantoms in the phantom zone was a pretty cool idea too.

what i don't get is if they're trying to portray superman as a silver age hero, why aren't they using silver age heroes? bart before barry? cyborg in the justice league before the titans? now we have jaime reyes as the blue beetle in an upcoming episode. just seems awkward.

 

[DavidB1111]

what i don't get is if they're trying to portray superman as a silver age hero, why aren't they using silver age heroes? bart before barry? cyborg in the justice league before the titans? now we have jaime reyes as the blue beetle in an upcoming episode. just seems awkward.

Whew! I'm not the only one to realize that Silver Age Superman should be the end result of Smallville. Especially with Doctor Fate's "You will lead them into a new Silver Age of Heroism." I mean, big obvious thing that not many people got right there, you know.

They can't use some of the names for the Flash, and have to call him Impulse because of a lot of things DC comics makes them do. Although some of them don't make sense. Some do. But I don't recall there being a Flash movie in the works.

They were allowed to use the old Flash, Jay Garrick, and the old Green Lantern Alan Scott. And Jay because well, I'm not sure, because he looked like Mercury with his helmet, and not The Flash?
Plus he's not connected to the way overpowered Speed Force.
No, really, it should have never existed.

I believe Alan Scott was allowed because Alan Scott's powers were almost magic based, instead of alien.
And with the Spectre existing in the photo of the JSA, on Smallville, that means Dc Comic's God and his Aspects exists as well. Including Nekron, creator the Black Lanterns , and Aspect of God's Death ability. "DIE!" No, really, he just looked at the Justice League and said that, and they all died.

Personally, I hope they realize Silver Age is the best way to go here.
Plus, modern Era Superman is strong, but Silver Age Superman would laugh at Doomsday's feeble attempts to hurt him.
Even a Bronze Age Superman would be a good way for Smallville to go.
As for Cyborg and the Blue Beetle, I think it's because people know them more than the older heroes.

Personally, I'm hoping this Neo-Silver age, ( that we are in) in the comics ends up being the Next Generation Silver Age.
Bring back Planet Juggling Superman.

Also, thanks for explaining it, LightningFlash, also ,again, ew.

 

[Prison Mike]

What I think Smallville got right was:
-Showing the consequences of Clark's ship in Smallville
-Casting the Kents young
-The relationship between Clark and his parents (the best part of the show for me)
-Showing Clark's powers developing one by one
-Showing the relationship between Clark and Lois grow naturally (rather than the "love at first sight" cliche)
-Introducing Lionel Luthor and his impact on Lex
-Showing how Lex and Clark's friendship dissolved
-Casting Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor

 

[LightningFlash]

What I think Smallville got right was:
-Showing the consequences of Clark's ship in Smallville

Pre-Doomsday retcon fiasco.

-Showing the relationship between Clark and Lois grow naturally (rather than the "love at first sight" cliche)

I think that relationship should've been given more time to evolve, because imo, it felt like it was rushed in season eight. Back in season six, something should've flourished instead of Clark whining over Lana. Plus, Lana should've died from that explosion and not a clone, which was another fiasco.

 

[DavidB1111]

Er, Lana can't die. She's one of the big characters in the Superman universe.
Killing her off would be a big no-no that DC would never allow.
Just like killing Lois off.

Or killing Lex off forever, or killing Clark off/having him become Superboy Prime in all his reality punching glory, or having the Black Lanterns show up, "Brains...Brains!" or having the Flash called Flash. Or have Batman show up.

Really, Lana and Lois have both shaped Clark in the comics. You can't kill Lana off ever.
Just like Supergirl. Can't kill her off either. Can't kill Rokk from the 31st century either, because he's an integral part of the mythos too, well not that big. But important never-the-less.

And yes, the consequences for Clark's ship that he's talking about is not Doomsday, I believe.
He's talking about all the other consequences from earlier in the seasons.
Some of them shouldn't have happened.

I can't really complain about the "Pete, we need to talk."

Also, 4 years is rushed? They knew each other for four years, and that's rushed before they started being together?
How many years did Clark and Lois know each other in the comic before they started dating the first time? Oh, yeah, from 1938 to 1972 or so. The Bronze Age. 34 years.
So, yeah, compared to that, 4 years is rushed.

 

[LightningFlash]

Er, Lana can't die. She's one of the big characters in the Superman universe.
Killing her off would be a big no-no that DC would never allow.
Just like killing Lois off.

Or killing Lex off forever, or killing Clark off/having him become Superboy Prime in all his reality punching glory, or having the Black Lanterns show up, "Brains...Brains!" or having the Flash called Flash. Or have Batman show up.

Really, Lana and Lois have both shaped Clark in the comics. You can't kill Lana off ever.
Just like Supergirl. Can't kill her off either. Can't kill Rokk from the 31st century either, because he's an integral part of the mythos too, well not that big. But important never-the-less.

And yes, the consequences for Clark's ship that he's talking about is not Doomsday, I believe.
He's talking about all the other consequences from earlier in the seasons.
Some of them shouldn't have happened.

I can't really complain about the "Pete, we need to talk."

Also, 4 years is rushed? They knew each other for four years, and that's rushed before they started being together?
How many years did Clark and Lois know each other in the comic before they started dating the first time? Oh, yeah, from 1938 to 1972 or so. The Bronze Age. 34 years.
So, yeah, compared to that, 4 years is rushed.

So...Lana can't die, BUT...Pete Ross can be African-American...there can be a girl named Chloe Sullivan that wasn't in the comics...and Bizarro is a villain that was actually a phantom from the PZ? Lol, things change, I can see how SV's version of Lana's death will definitely have pushed Clark into becoming the superhero earlier than a couple seasons of just lame storytelling, ala seasons seven and eight (let alone, I would've preferred a death of Lana Lang to come in the middle of Clark and Lex instead of a stupid crystal ball)

And, I'm talking about the relationship that Clark and Lois SHOULD HAVE started in season six when we instead got their relationship rushed within two seasons, eight and nine.

 

[DavidB1111]

Sorry, Lana can't die. Too big of a deal. Period.

Pete Ross being an African-American, and Chloe Sullivan existing is not even in the same league as Lana dying.

And Bizarro is so not that big of a deal either. Origin story of Bizarro is/has him being a victim of Lex hitting Superman with a weird raygun. Created Bizarro.

A phantom Zoner? Not a big downgrade from an imperfect Superman clone.
Again, not in the same league.

And what relationship should they have started in Season 6? That would be extremely rushed and nonsensical.
That's two years they knew each other, not 4. I mean, Lois's deep kisses aside, anyway.
Yeah, kissing is so not what happened...

I'm sorry, I really don't see your point here. Smallville can't cause things that are so catastrophically bad that the entire mythos would be shattered beyond all repair if they did it.

Seriously, having Oliver Queen suddenly become gay and try to kiss Clark a lot would be less destructive to the mythos than killing Lana off.

Introducing Pink Kryptonite would be the best idea ever compared to killing Lana off. and it makes Superman gay!
Justin Heartley played a gay/bi-sexual man in a film, so he could pull it off much better than Tom.

Also, sorry, but if they killed off Lana forever at the end of Season 6, Smallville's Clark Kent would become Superboy Prime. I don't want to see that.
Clark back then was way closer to becoming Superboy Prime then he is now. Especially with the death of Lana.

 

[LightningFlash]

I would see nothing wrong with Lana dying whatsoever, but then again I wouldn't be too uptight with a lot of things.

 

[DavidB1111]

I respect that you have nothing wrong with the idea of Lana dying. I do.

I understand your views, believe me.
I just don't share them.

But hey, if everyone agreed on something, the world would be boring.

Plus, I still stand to say that making Oliver say. "I love you, Clark." would be funny.

 

[Prison Mike]

By "showing the consequences of Clark's ship landing in Smallville", I meant the kryptonite that came along with it and helped form the meteor freaks. I thought it was a clever use of it.

Also, I think 4 years was enough time to build Clark and Lois' relationship before their romance. They showed hints of it scattered in each season. Everytime Lois had a bad relationship, Clark was there for her to lean on. And vice versa.

 

[Demerara]

Got to say, bizarro was a total win for me. Another perfect casting choice too! So glad kristen kreuk left though... lois is a far more interesting character. Quite frankly, she's just more likeable!

 

[The Question]

I really liked the Martian Manhunter. The characterization and the actor were awesome.

 

[Wheels]

I think that relationship should've been given more time to evolve, because imo, it felt like it was rushed in season eight. Back in season six, something should've flourished instead of Clark whining over Lana. Plus, Lana should've died from that explosion and not a clone, which was another fiasco

Lois has always had a thing for Clark, even when she was with Queen you could tell she had feelings for him. It jusr took time for Clark to see the light.

 

[Prison Mike]

I remember in the season 6 premiere when Lois was in the hospital, she and Clark had a little moment together when he held her hand. Of course they quickly pulled away but I always thought that one scene was the start of a romantic relationship (even though it took another 3 years for that to happen).

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Lois has always had a thing for Clark, even when she was with Queen you could tell she had feelings for him. It jusr took time for Clark to see the light.

She was great in season 4 when first introduced and always played up the attraction to Clark, even tho they were both masking with typical "I can't stand you" flirting. The chemistry with Durance and Welling was the reason I'd say they had her stick around for longer than the 4 episodes she was originally planned for.

It was later when they had to stall (like most things in Smallville) the relationships progress that they drifted which made it seem sudden when they did get together. The seeds were sown early on but most forgot about it because of the likes of Oliver, Aquaman and erm...Grant Gabriel.

 

[SpideyVille]

I remember in the season 6 premiere when Lois was in the hospital, she and Clark had a little moment together when he held her hand. Of course they quickly pulled away but I always thought that one scene was the start of a romantic relationship (even though it took another 3 years for that to happen).

I didn't really like that though because he also hugged Chloe and looked like he wanted to hook up with her too just based on the fact that he didn't have Lana anymore and because Chloe kissed him when he last saw her. Though I'm sure that if Jimmy wasn't around, Chloe would've played her cards a little differently when Clark asked her about it.

She was great in season 4 when first introduced and always played up the attraction to Clark, even tho they were both masking with typical "I can't stand you" flirting. The chemistry with Durance and Welling was the reason I'd say they had her stick around for longer than the 4 episodes she was originally planned for.

It was later when they had to stall (like most things in Smallville) the relationships progress that they drifted which made it seem sudden when they did get together. The seeds were sown early on but most forgot about it because of the likes of Oliver, Aquaman and erm...Grant Gabriel.

Yea I don't think they were planning on keeping Oliver around as a regular after he left the first time, so that wasn't supposed to leave such a heavy mark as it did when he returned and then tried to play the triangle between him, Clark and Lois like it looked like they were going to do in Crossfire. As for Grant, I never liked his character so I kinda forget that Lois was with him. That pairing was worse than Lexana.

And it only seemed sudden because Lois, and Clark to some extent, seemed to forget about the whole Lana breakup situation without addressing it early in season 10, so it looked like Clark just went from being depressed about Lana to having feelings for Lois in an episode. The timing was a little off in that sense.

 

[DavidB1111]

Yeah, well, the Grant story line was a bit weird. He started out normal, and then he became a clone of Julian Luthor. That came out of nowhere.

Smallville's casting choices were always good to me. I really can't find fault with them.

One thing I do like about Smallville is the jokes they've used over the years. Way too many examples to name.
Even the ones that use props, (prop gags?) are funny too.

 

[LightningFlash]

Grant being a clone of Julian Luthor was only one of season seven's most terrible ideas.