Thor (from TDW) vs Superman (from MOS) who wins in a fight, and why ?

[Batmannerism]

This year
We've seen what Thor can do in TDW,
We've seen what Superman can do in MOS

Now, if Disney and WBros ever put their differences aside....
maybe these two characters will meet, and given their
personalities...FIGHT !

So who would win, based on the current movie depictions
of the characters (NOT the comic book versions) and why ?

Let the battle begin.


(BTW I'm also posting this thread in a Thor section so we get as many responses as possible).

 

[jmc]

Who cares?

 

[DA_Champion]

- delete -

 

[Bathead]

Who cares?

This.

 

[NosfeRomas]

Are we going to start another "who has the bigger dick" ? let it go. It doesn't matter, nobody cares who is more powerful or which movie is better.

 

[Batmannerism]

(Dudes, if you don't care, why post, it kind of undermines your statement, don't you think ? )



Allow me to start the Hammer twirling !

Superman is obviously much stronger and has a much greater degree of
invulnerability.

Thor possesses a magic weapon, to which Superman is probably
vulnerable. Although having said that Shazam's magic lightning has
hurt him, but not killed him..

Thor is a skilled warrior with superior fighting skills, and a never-say-die
attitude.

Here's how I see it playing out. After a short exchange of words,
Thor strikes first, as he'd be first to get the tactical advantage.

Supes is surprised by how much that little Hammer and its lightning
blasts hurt him. He gets smacked around by Thor quite a bit, probably
tries to fly and gets blown around by hurricane force winds etc.

Anyway, eventually one of two things happens.

1) Supes realises that as fast as Thor's hammer is, he's a lot faster, and dodges Mjolnir, and punches Thor about as hard as he hit Zod, which should knock out the Thunder God (given what Kurse was able to do to him).

2) Supes, being a selfless and highly worthy individual, catches Mjolnir, in mid-flight, and surprise, surprise, he can lift it - possessing both the physical strength and strength of character. After sending a completely shocked Thor sprawling with a backhand, the Thunder God, after waking up a few moments later, is shocked a second time when Superman hands him back his hammer. Thor acknowledges Supes' greatness, and departs in defeat......

either way, Superman wins.


Now I know you Thor-maniacs out there are probably lining up to refute my little scenarios, but that's what forums like this are for.


BTW I loved Thor TDW, thought it was to Thor, what Dark Knight, was to Batman Begins. That's saying a lot, as you can probably tell, I'm more of a Super-fan, and have never really liked Thor that much - but I liked where this movie took him (and Hiddleston was amazing as Loki, best super-villain since McKellen's Magneto).

Okay, time for you to drop the hammer and respond !

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

God wins.

 

[NosfeRomas]

God wins.

Garth Ennis says NO !!

 

[shallbecomeabat]

I like threads like this. Its good fun, until the trolls show up.

Well, I say Superman destroys Thor. Powerlevel wise, its kinda unfair. Look at Thors big fight against Malekeith (I dunno if thats right), or at the impact Thors punches have, even with Mjolnir. He can punch a car a like 20 meters away. Clark is muuuuuuuuch stronger than anything Thor can do in the movies, if we talk about feats. Sure, Thor has Mjolnir, but Clark has the power to cut a skscraper in half with his heat vision.
Clark is also much faster, while Thor has better fighting skills.

So, yeah. Kal takes this. I love Thor, though! Not as much as Supes, but he is my favorite Marvel character. Dark World was a great movie, even Marvels best for me so far, even if it was a bit too jokey and silly at times (a problem I have with almost all Marvel movies).

 

[Batmannerism]

I like threads like this. Its good fun, until the trolls show up.

Well, I say Superman destroys Thor. Powerlevel wise, its kinda unfair. Look at Thors big fight against Malekeith (I dunno if thats right), or at the impact Thors punches have, even with Mjolnir. He can punch a car a like 20 meters away. Clark is muuuuuuuuch stronger than anything Thor can do in the movies, if we talk about feats. Sure, Thor has Mjolnir, but Clark has the power to cut a skscraper in half with his heat vision.
Clark is also much faster, while Thor has better fighting skills.

So, yeah. Kal takes this. I love Thor, though! Not as much as Supes, but he is my favorite Marvel character. Dark World was a great movie, even Marvels best for me so far, even if it was a bit too jokey and silly at times (a problem I have with almost all Marvel movies).

Dude ! Thanks for that. much appreciated.
I'm really keen to see what the Thor fans
come up with. I'm not saying that Thor could never beat Superman,
I'm just saying it's pretty unlikely. But funny things happen, like in
tennis, sometimes the world #1 gets beat by the world # 123 or
something like that -everybody has their day.



As far as the haters go, if questions like
"Who would win in a fight between Superman and Thor ?" don't interest
you, then WTF are you doing on a forum called Superhero hype ?

There must be a Jane Austen or a Shakespeare forum out there for you to tackle the bigger questions in literature. Enjoy.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

I think comic Superman vs comic Thor would be closer and a messy fight, but comparing the movie versions makes it pretty easy for Clark. I mean, just comparing feats... Clark is a badass in MoS. I would even argue he could take out the Avengers on his own, because even Hulk hasn't showed anything on Clarks level in the movies.

 

[the last son]

I love these vs matchups and don't understand why we can't do more of them. Thanks for posting it. I say MOS version wins easy.

 

[Masone]

The man of steel snaps Thor's neck. More speed, more power, he is too much for Thor.

 

[Batmannerism]

I think comic Superman vs comic Thor would be closer and a messy fight, but comparing the movie versions makes it pretty easy for Clark. I mean, just comparing feats... Clark is a badass in MoS. I would even argue he could take out the Avengers on his own, because even Hulk hasn't showed anything on Clarks level in the movies.

Oh-ho ! That's a big call dude.

I think Clark vs the entire Avengers (well, Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, and maybe Captain America) would be interesting !

Hulk could certainly tie Clark up (grapple with him) and be a distraction while Iron man and Thor attack him. I suppose it depends how ruthless Clark was being, or how well he uses his powers. Fast as the hulk is, Clark is many, many times faster.

I sort of see the Hulk as comparable to the giant Kryptonian, in the Smallville battle. Now the Hulk did stop that huge alien spacecraft all by himself (in Avengers) so I think you might be underestimating his power -and also the fact that he gets stronger as he gets angrier.
Clark's other advantage over Hulk of course is flight, which he demonstrated when he lifted the giant up (in MOS) and punched him into the railroad yard.


Thor of course, is a more skilful fighter than Clark, and has a magic weapon, which would probably actually hurt him.

Iron man would get taken down pretty easily, Clark would open him like a tin of beans, but Thor and Hulk could really do some damage. It would take some creative use of Super-speed and Strength to take them out.

However, I believe the turning point would be if Clark managed to catch Mjolnir, as he should be worthy enough to lift it -which kind of negates a lot of Thor's striking power. So I could see Clark hitting the Hulk with Mjolnir, which would probably knock him to the moon, or at least to the Mid-west (assuming they fight on the East coast, probably NYC),
so Hulk would wake up somewhere in Wisconsin).

Sure Clark could take any of them one-on-one (even the Hulk) but as a team, I think the Avengers could keep him off balance.


Regardless, I think it would be a massively entertaining sequence.

Thanks for your post dude.

 

[AnneFan]

Batman beats both.

Spoiler

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Batman beats both.

Spoiler

 

[NosfeRomas]

I love how the skyscrappers magically transform into small shops and houses :P

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Yeah. Man of Steel wins. Haven't seen Thor 2 yet, but I feel like Hulk still outmatches him in strength. How much stronger could he have gotten after struggling to fend him off in the hellicarrier?

Arm wrestle between Avengers Hulk and Man of Steel Supes. That'd be cool.

 

[John-An]

The Man of Steel by FAR!!!!

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yep, Superman definitely takes this one. I'm really waiting until 2015, though. I know for sure Superman will have some awe-inspiring feats of strength and power, but I also think Thor will get another upgrade as well.

 

[the5timechamp]

Are we taking Superman's vulnerability to magic into account? Superman takes the win.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That depends on if the MOS Supes is vulnerable to magic or not. But even then, he'd move too fast for Thor to strike him anyway. But then again, lightning is wickedly quick.

 

[Batmannerism]

So far, having seen various posts in both this, and the Thor section,
I have to give it to the Super-fans so far.

Let's kick it up a notch people. How does their little showdown unfold ?

Am I right about Clark being able to lift Mjolnir ? (although I also suspect
Captain America would be able to lift Mjolnir, as it's about the worthiness
not the weight of it).

(I have a theory that if the fight took place on Asgard, Superman would actually be more powerful, as the sunlight appears even brighter.
Maybe in Jotunheim or Svartalfheim Thor would have the advantage.)

thanks for the posts

( Batman beats both LOL, I did a Batman v Supes thread ages ago, I hope you posted on that one....although having said that, if Frank Miller was writing the script, Batman could beat Galactus )

 

[BigThor]

I liken everyone being enamored by MOS Supes strength feats to people going with flashy knock out guys like Tyson/Pacquiao over the Ali/Weather type fighters.

Yes MOS Supes was strong, but did he really do much in the film that Thor couldn't do? Let's not forget that Thor caught and overpowered a punch from Hulk, now it doesn't sound like much but take into account this was the same arm that stopped that space whale in it's tracks. Now I know it wasn't as gratuitously flashy as punching someone through a building or any of the other stuff MOS Supes did but it's just as big when you think about it. A blow from Hulk has more tonnage behind it than that oil tanker Supes caught, the diesel he threw in the power lines, or most of the other things MOS Supes lifted.

The only feat I don't see Thor being able to do is resisting and powering through that gravity ray from that terraforming machine. So in essence while MOS Supes may "seem" lot stronger than MCU Thor their strength level are lot closer than you guys think. MOS was directed by Zack Snyder OF COURSE he's going to have more testosterone fueled strength feats than most other CBM, but that shouldn't cloud anyone's judgement on this matter. To be honest MOS Supes is nowhere near as strong as Donner's Superman, as a matter of fact he's far and away the weakest on film Superman yer.

 

[Batmannerism]

I liken everyone being enamored by MOS Supes strength feats to people going with flashy knock out guys like Tyson/Pacquiao over the Ali/Weather type fighters.

Yes MOS Supes was strong, but did he really do much in the film that Thor couldn't do? Let's not forget that Thor caught and overpowered a punch from Hulk, now it doesn't sound like much but take into account this was the same arm that stopped that space whale in it's tracks. Now I know it wasn't as gratuitously flashy as punching someone through a building or any of the other stuff MOS Supes did but it's just as big when you think about it. A blow from Hulk has more tonnage behind it than that oil tanker Supes caught, the diesel he threw in the power lines, or most of the other things MOS Supes lifted.

The only feat I don't see Thor being able to do is resisting and powering through that gravity ray from that terraforming machine. So in essence while MOS Supes may "seem" lot stronger than MCU Thor their strength level are lot closer than you guys think. MOS was directed by Zack Snyder OF COURSE he's going to have more testosterone fueled strength feats than most other CBM, but that shouldn't cloud anyone's judgement on this matter. To be honest MOS Supes is nowhere near as strong as Donner's Superman, as a matter of fact he's far and away the weakest on film Superman yer.

Dude ! That's the Spirit! While I utterly disagree, I respect your opinion totally.

personally, I reckon that arguing based on physical strength is probably not going to win Thor the fight, because obviously Superman is stronger than Thor. I reckon arguing along the fighting skills, strategy and experience is a better path for you Asgard-i-fans.

- Yes, Thor blocked a punch from the Hulk, but (and I'm speaking from experience) if you do it right, you can block a punch from someone
much stronger than yourself, it's mostly about angles.
And if it really had that much force behind it, it would have driven Thor through the floor (at least MOS got the physics right on that one, that even though Supes could hold up the oil rig tower, the beams he was standing on couldn't).

(space whales...hmmm, iron man took one out from the inside, and he's just a guy in a suit, Thor nearly kicked his ass -Supes certainly would, so maybe the old space whales weren't so tough. )

- What's Thor's greatest feat of strength ? Nam Ek throws a locomotive at Supes from about half-a mile away (which means Supes could probably do the same), not sure we've seen Thor do anything like that. Sure, he's a heavy hitter, but we don't see him lifting anything remotely as big as Supes can.

(and on the invulnerability front, Zod dishes out way more punishment than Kurse, who nearly killed Thor by chucking him into a hill and hitting him with a boulder, Zod hit Supes with a Sattelite and knocked him through four skyscrapers )

So, it's not that Supes seems stronger than Thor, he is stronger, end of story.
True, he's nowhere near Donner's Superman (which is great, I love the way he has to grunt and strain to do stuff like fly up the gravity beam or lift the oil rig, or whenever he exerts himself - I like it because it means it isn't easy for him, and that fits more with a 21st century Superman. Reeve made it look easy back in 1978, but that was 25 years ago, times have changed.

Okay, I digress. So, I feel I have refuted your arguments in respect of the comparative strengths of Thor and Superman.

However, there are many, many real life instances of people beating much stronger opponents - particularly when there's a big skill difference, such as there would be between Supes and Thor. Thor is a warrior, born and trained from a young age, Clark is a .......farmer. Now MOS showed he has a wicked overhand right, but he's not particularly skilful, it's just balls to the wall.

(if you're a true Marvel fan, you might mention that Spider-Man once defeated the Juggernaut -back at the height of his powers- who is literally 10x stronger, and completely indestructible - he can go toe to toe with an enraged Hulk and not be particularly harmed, and slapped Colossus around like a child. )

so, as I've said bro, there certainly are circumstances under which Thor could defeat Supes, but come on buddy, admit it, an arm wrestle or a mere contest of strength isn't it.

Having said that, and given your creative arguments in support of the Thunder God, I have no doubt you'll be back in no time with something
clever.

Thanks again for making these threads so much fun !