Thor in the new Marvel Universe

[DBM]

I really wish they would have brought Thor back and have him stay in Asgard for a while. I'm really afraid they're going to bastardize him like they did Beta Ray Bill. If Thor stayed in Asgard, and didn't have to be part of the CW bull****, he could function great and become an even better character with great, epic, mythological stories. But bringing him back during CW means he'll probably be depowered, have his history ignored, and be boring as hell.

 

[Trask]

I really wish they would have brought Thor back and have him stay in Asgard for a while. I'm really afraid they're going to bastardize him like they did Beta Ray Bill. If Thor stayed in Asgard, and didn't have to be part of the CW bull****, he could function great and become an even better character with great, epic, mythological stories. But bringing him back during CW means he'll probably be depowered, have his history ignored, and be boring as hell.

Asgard is distroyed and all its people are dead, so there is nothing up there for him.

 

[DBM]

Asgard is distroyed and all its people are dead, so there is nothing up there for him.

That's the point. The recreation of Asgard, new adventures, new situations, etc , would be the focus.

Go read this
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5266665&postcount=131

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Asgard is distroyed and all its people are dead, so there is nothing up there for him.

Thor himself is supposed to be dead too, remember? All bets are off on what may or may not turn up with Thor at this point, I'd say.

DBM: I'm worried about Thor getting saddled with a human counterpart again too, but I don't think I'd like to see him sequestered away from the Marvel universe like the Punisher has been either. It all depends on the execution, which, unfortunately, will probably be bad if Marvel's track record of late is any indication.

 

[MJOILNIR]

Ive been reading Thor for a long,long time. I have enjoyed Thor written in Asgard more than any other story lines.(I was reading Norse mythology even befor I was reading Thor comics) I would just as soon see Thor written completely in those type of storylines. I dont think the character is done justice in the avenger books at all. He's often downplayed to the level of that particular books threat. Bring him back with dignity(read:no human counter part, ect.) or just leave him be.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think he's done justice in most Avengers stories myself, but I don't see why he has to be taken out of the Marvel universe entirely. I like the ineraction between a god and the "real world" of Marvel's New York City. I also like Thor's forays into space and the cosmic side of Marvel. Mythology's only a part of the character for me.

 

[deathshead2]

Wait one question wheres Beta ray bill in all this CW mess? With Thors hammer on earth wouldn't he be looking for it or something?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But that would be logical. Don't be silly, this is the Marvel universe.

 

[MJOILNIR]

I dont mean entirely just with a little more dignity than in the past. Interaction with the "real world" is fine. I would just like for the writers to think about the character and who he really is. Someone with thousands of years of combat exp, outworldly knowledge and weapon expertise. Not a bar thumper with a ball bat. Know what I mean?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I've made the same complaint numerous times myself. The Thor of his own comics and the Thor of the Avengers have practically become different characters.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

I dont mean entirely just with a little more dignity than in the past. Interaction with the "real world" is fine. I would just like for the writers to think about the character and who he really is. Someone with thousands of years of combat exp, outworldly knowledge and weapon expertise. Not a bar thumper with a ball bat. Know what I mean?

thats a rediculous expectation to have of a character. it makes him far too powerful for the marvel universe and u cant expect his book to be mythological -- he's always had some part in 616 and rightly so. i think he should be around sentry's level with some discernable weakness -- for christs sake his only possible weakness was gona come from ragnarok (or whatever it was called) and it looks like he bloomin survived!!

 

[MJOILNIR]

Man thats not what I meant. I would like the character to have some dignity and not be reduced to the level of a bouncer is all.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

thats a rediculous expectation to have of a character. it makes him far too powerful for the marvel universe and u cant expect his book to be mythological -- he's always had some part in 616 and rightly so. i think he should be around sentry's level with some discernable weakness -- for christs sake his only possible weakness was gona come from ragnarok (or whatever it was called) and it looks like he bloomin survived!!

He has lots of weaknesses. Getting hit a lot is one of them. Just ask the Hulk or the Juggernaut.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ive been reading Thor for a long,long time. I have enjoyed Thor written in Asgard more than any other story lines.(I was reading Norse mythology even befor I was reading Thor comics) I would just as soon see Thor written completely in those type of storylines. I dont think the character is done justice in the avenger books at all. He's often downplayed to the level of that particular books threat. Bring him back with dignity(read:no human counter part, ect.) or just leave him be.

If you read the Norse legends, then you know comic book Thor hardly resembles mythological Thor. So, in that respect, he has no dignity there. (Though it's personally my thought myth Thor has no dignity.)

Thor is powerful. He always HAS been powerful. Not once has he really been all that weak. (Omit the bank building) He singlehandedly bested the Silver Surfer. He can go one on one with the Hulk.

But if you put him at Sentry's rumored power level, then Thor would just crash through characters like Silver Surfer like nothing. Though I guess King Thor would probably too. But since they're probably bringing Thor back, it would be best if they depowered him to normal Thor.

But of course, Sentry's power levels seem to fluctuate based on how "fragmented" Robert seems to be upon changing into the Sentry.

 

[Tropico]

Thor himself is supposed to be dead too, remember? All bets are off on what may or may not turn up with Thor at this point, I'd say.

DBM: I'm worried about Thor getting saddled with a human counterpart again too, but I don't think I'd like to see him sequestered away from the Marvel universe like the Punisher has been either. It all depends on the execution, which, unfortunately, will probably be bad if Marvel's track record of late is any indication.

You SHOULD worry! His new counterpart is going to be Maria Hill!!!!!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If you read the Norse legends, then you know comic book Thor hardly resembles mythological Thor. So, in that respect, he has no dignity there. (Though it's personally my thought myth Thor has no dignity.)

Thor is powerful. He always HAS been powerful. Not once has he really been all that weak. (Omit the bank building) He singlehandedly bested the Silver Surfer. He can go one on one with the Hulk.

But if you put him at Sentry's rumored power level, then Thor would just crash through characters like Silver Surfer like nothing. Though I guess King Thor would probably too. But since they're probably bringing Thor back, it would be best if they depowered him to normal Thor.

But of course, Sentry's power levels seem to fluctuate based on how "fragmented" Robert seems to be upon changing into the Sentry.

Sentry's powers are tied to his emotions, and he generally seems much less powerful now than he was rumored to be originally. He couldn't even take Photon in New Thunderbolts a while back.

The Surfer recently got an unspecified upgrade in power thanks to Galactus in his Annihilation mini-series. The Hulk's rumored to have upped his game thanks to the harshness of Planet Hulk, too. Basically, it seems like all of Marvel's fringe characters, who were never street-level to begin with, are finally being allowed to embrace their ridiculous power levels. I wouldn't mind seeing Thor do the same. Or, if he's depowered to normal Thor again, I'd at least like to see him handled as well as Beta Ray Bill was in Stormbreaker rather than the idiot guys like Busiek tend to write in Avengers.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sentry's powers are tied to his emotions, and he generally seems much less powerful now than he was rumored to be originally. He couldn't even take Photon in New Thunderbolts a while back.

The Surfer recently got an unspecified upgrade in power thanks to Galactus in his Annihilation mini-series. The Hulk's rumored to have upped his game thanks to the harshness of Planet Hulk, too. Basically, it seems like all of Marvel's fringe characters, who were never street-level to begin with, are finally being allowed to embrace their ridiculous power levels. I wouldn't mind seeing Thor do the same. Or, if he's depowered to normal Thor again, I'd at least like to see him handled as well as Beta Ray Bill was in Stormbreaker rather than the idiot guys like Busiek tend to write in Avengers.

That Photon bit was totally cheap. Photon can easily shunt someone who's very atoms aren't in tune with time, yet he couldn't shunt Hyperion simply because he was still adjusting to their dimension. Despite the fact that Photon was a dimensional being. And I said that Sentry's powers are based on emotions. When Rob is all messed up, it seems the Void gains presence, or power, and the Sentry suffers. And when he's got it more together, he seems more powerful. And who knows? Maybe a less fragmented Sentry will be like in his original mini. Since he's still dealing with all of that mind crap he's still dealing with.

As for Surfer, I meant when Thor beat the original power level. Which is impressive in any terms. But yeah, I wanna see the new Surfer in action. And the Hulk getting stronger? Sure, I guess. I'm not really all that excited, unless they throw him in several rampages on Earth.

But I didn't really care too much for King Thor. If they did him like how you mentioned the Beta Ray Bill story, I'd be much happier with Thor.

But yeah, they're kind of upgrading their hero's who were already super powerful. Tony Stark and Extremis. Even Ms. Marvel seems to be a bit more powerful than normal.

They need more Doctor Strange dammit!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved King Thor. Unlike most power-ups, Thor's inheritance of the Odinpower was a means to an end--the end being a really, really great set of stories.

 

[Varient]

I honestly might drop all of my Marvel comics in protest if 616 Thor ends up turning into Ultimate Thor. There is no worse way to bastardize the 616 character, as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah.
I admit there is a point where you can go too far with a character.

Since I admit bias against the entire Ultimate Universe, (I'm one of the ones who feels it's just lazy writing and cheesecake art for recruiting new fanboys.), I wouldn't appreciate ANY ultimate version of a 616 character.

 

[Varient]

Basically, it seems like all of Marvel's fringe characters, who were never street-level to begin with, are finally being allowed to embrace their ridiculous power levels. .

Here Here.
Would be nice if the upper end feats could be remembered and considered the norm powerlevel of the heroes.

After seeing that "super-speed" shot of Thor in the sixties,... I wanns see him move faster in "todays world" on a regular basis.

 

[Zeu]

Man thats not what I meant. I would like the character to have some dignity and not be reduced to the level of a bouncer is all.

"Dignity"?

You do realise mythological Thor was quite possibly one of THE most dense and dumb creatures to ever walk the earth, right?

Loki´s pastime was basically to make a fool outta him.

 

[Trask]

That's the point. The recreation of Asgard, new adventures, new situations, etc , would be the focus.

Go read this
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5266665&postcount=131

The whole reason that Thor helped distroy the Asgard and its people was that thier lifes had become a mockery and their lives pointless. That is the whole reason Odin started Thor on the path that finally led him to fulfilling what his father had begun. Bringing them all back would make that whole storyline pointless, and as I think that was the high point of the Thor books (in my opinion it is the best Thor story ever written), if they "retcon" that story it would not be a good start for me.

I did not read the whole post you liked so I dont know if you covered my argument here.

Thor himself is supposed to be dead too, remember? All bets are off on what may or may not turn up with Thor at this point, I'd say

Thor actually never died. All his people are dead but he is not. He became some kind of cosmic being that is "resting". It is never said if Loki is dead but it is shown that Thor is still alive in some form.

 

[daveswb]

Well we must all admit that the MU had been altered severly from dissasembled to house of M, and now w/ civil war. Is there a place for thor is this new world, or will the sentry completly take his place. I think that when Thor returns, he will play a pivotol role in the Civil War I also cant see Thor working for the Government so maby we will get to see a thor v sentry afterall.
I would have thought that Civil War would be impacting more on the boards than just the one topic about it. Or does Civil War not really that important to yall.

I don't think Marvel could just write off Thor with out some sort of big story.

As for topics there are at least 8 just on the first page of Marvel topics. And also the moderators do not like people oppening up new topics related to a single issue. IE this should all go in the official CIVIL WAR thread.

 

[Trask]

Yeah.
I admit there is a point where you can go too far with a character.

Since I admit bias against the entire Ultimate Universe, (I'm one of the ones who feels it's just lazy writing and cheesecake art for recruiting new fanboys.), I wouldn't appreciate ANY ultimate version of a 616 character.

Well as a fan of the Ultimate Universe characters (they seem to have more depth in some cases), I have to say there are more horrible things that some 616 chars being a bit more like their Ultimate chars. Dont get me wrong I like my 616 and Ultimate chars to be kept apart for the most part, but I have to say that 616 and Ultimate Thor are very similar. The bid difference is that the heroes dont actually belive that Thor is a god, and dont belive asguard actually exists.

Anyway what I wanted to say is that I prefer the Ultimate Thor to the old 616 Thor who was just an Oaf with a powerful hammer. Now if we are talking about King Thor and Rune Thor then I would say those are more interesting and if it is those characters that they are bringing back them I am fine with that.

I don't think Marvel could just write off Thor with out some sort of big story.

He did have a big story for his departure, it was called Ragnorok (dont know if I spelled that right)

 

[Zeu]

Put me in that boat as well, I don´t really like 616 Thor but Ultimate Thor is my absolute FAVORITE character in the entire line!! (double exclamation point)