Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

[The Joker]

Morbius is as valid as any of them as far as I am concerned. He is a living vampire thus explained by science not magic. Doc Ock's awakening scene is a prime example of doing horror without being gratuitously gory. Right up Raimis alley really.

Not at all. Ock's hospital scene was bloodless. It was mostly screaming, and POV tentacle shots. The two best bits of violence were the fingernails on the floor, and that one surgeon being impaled onto the wall. But again, we didn't see any blood or anything gory. Some of the shots even cut away before we saw anything. Like those three tentacles going for the doctor with the chainsaw. It then cut to a shot of his hand holding the chainsaw falling to the floor.

Don't get me wrong, it was a great scene. Very suspensful, and brutal in a couple of parts. But nothing on the level of a vampire attacking and feeding on people's blood.

Any other time a villain killed someone, it was over the top and even comical [Goblin vapourizing people to instant skeletons, for example]. You think you'd get a vampire attacking people and sucking on their blood all thru the movie?

Even the character of a vampire itself is pretty scary. Not just in the image but also in personality. I still remember the soccor moms complaining about Danny DeVito's Penguin back in the day, and the worst he did was bite some guy's nose.

The point is its Raimis call. I dont think he is "sniffing glue" as you put it. I dont think he is making a mistake either. Sure theres more deserving and interesting characters, but this is a character Raimi wants to use so at least hes gonna try and at this very moment deserves some benefit of the doubt considering his vision is returning to stories and/or character Raimi wants to do or cares about rather than trying to appease fans.

Well, of course it's Raimi's call. And we have every right to say we disagree with him and think he's making a horrible choice with the choice of villain. That's the point.

We don't have to try and appease him, or praise his choices just because he's the director. And as a supposed Spidey fan, Raimi should have a greater appreciation for the more infamous classic villains who have far more to offer a Spidey movie than Morbius.

The years of great comic book material is right there with these guys. Use it for goodness sake.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hahahaha.

May I ask why?

Plasma...that's the first time I heard the word "plasma"....haha.

I have a few reasons, but I'll name one. I've always wanted to know how he'd be adapted into the film universe. However, as I said, I don't think he'll appear.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I suppose Morbius appeals to Raimi's horror sensibilities...But it should be obvious to him that The Lizard is next. If he likes Morbius that much he can "homage" him in Drag Me To Hell or any other movie of his outside of Spider-Man.

 

[American_Hobo]

People actually want to see Vulture more than Electro? I'm surprised.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

People actually want to see Vulture more than Electro? I'm surprised.

Why?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Not at all. Ock's hospital scene was bloodless. It was mostly screaming, and POV tentacle shots. The two best bits of violence were the fingernails on the floor, and that one surgeon being impaled onto the wall. But again, we didn't see any blood or anything gory. Some of the shots even cut away before we saw anything. Like those three tentacles going for the doctor with the chainsaw. It then cut to a shot of his hand holding the chainsaw falling to the floor.

Don't get me wrong, it was a great scene. Very suspensful, and brutal in a couple of parts. But nothing on the level of a vampire attacking and feeding on people's blood.

Any other time a villain killed someone, it was over the top and even comical [Goblin vapourizing people to instant skeletons, for example]. You think you'd get a vampire attacking people and sucking on their blood all thru the movie?

Even the character of a vampire itself is pretty scary. Not just in the image but also in personality. I still remember the soccor moms complaining about Danny DeVito's Penguin back in the day, and the worst he did was bite some guy's nose.[/



Well, of course it's Raimi's call. And we have every right to say we disagree with him and think he's making a horrible choice with the choice of villain. That's the point.

We don't have to try and appease him, or praise his choices just because he's the director. And as a supposed Spidey fan, Raimi should have a greater appreciation for the more infamous classic villains who have far more to offer a Spidey movie than Morbius.

The years of great comic book material is right there with these guys. Use it for goodness sake.[/quote]

 

[cerealkiller182]

Not at all. Ock's hospital scene was bloodless. It was mostly screaming, and POV tentacle shots. The two best bits of violence were the fingernails on the floor, and that one surgeon being impaled onto the wall. But again, we didn't see any blood or anything gory. Some of the shots even cut away before we saw anything. Like those three tentacles going for the doctor with the chainsaw. It then cut to a shot of his hand holding the chainsaw falling to the floor.

Don't get me wrong, it was a great scene. Very suspensful, and brutal in a couple of parts. But nothing on the level of a vampire attacking and feeding on people's blood.

Any other time a villain killed someone, it was over the top and even comical [Goblin vapourizing people to instant skeletons, for example]. You think you'd get a vampire attacking people and sucking on their blood all thru the movie?

Even the character of a vampire itself is pretty scary. Not just in the image but also in personality. I still remember the soccor moms complaining about Danny DeVito's Penguin back in the day, and the worst he did was bite some guy's nose.

Both Buffy and Angel survived a hell of a long time on basic cable without being gory, this is no different.

Well, of course it's Raimi's call. And we have every right to say we disagree with him and think he's making a horrible choice with the choice of villain. That's the point.

We don't have to try and appease him, or praise his choices just because he's the director. And as a supposed Spidey fan, Raimi should have a greater appreciation for the more infamous classic villains who have far more to offer a Spidey movie than Morbius.

The years of great comic book material is right there with these guys. Use it for goodness sake.

Thats one opinion. You are so ready to write off Raimi for empty chatter when he has yet to actually bring anything of substance to the surface. He could have a story in mind that surpasses any classic villain but you are so obsessed with your "tradition" that you cant look passed Lizard and Electro.

 

[American_Hobo]

Why?

Electro is more popular, and more visually entertaining than Vulture in my opinion.
By the way, I'm hoping it's not Vulture in Spiderman 4. (although very likely)

 

[The Joker]

Both Buffy and Angel survived a hell of a long time on basic cable without being gory, this is no different.

Nip/Tuck was on basic cable, too. But they're not about to show any of the kind of graphic stuff in that show in a Spidey movie either.

Thats one opinion. You are so ready to write off Raimi for empty chatter when he has yet to actually bring anything of substance to the surface. He could have a story in mind that surpasses any classic villain but you are so obsessed with your "tradition" that you cant look passed Lizard and Electro.

Unless he's planning a complete rewrite of Morbius, that's very unlikely. I've never liked Morbius in the comics. He never really fit into Spider-Man's world, IMO. Spidey is not a vampire hunter.

Not to mention we have more vampire movies these days than you can shake a stick at. We don't need it in the Spidey movies, too.

So yeah, I'll stick to "tradition" with Spidey's classic rogues gallery. It's what helped make Spidey as popular as he is.

 

[LightningFlash]

Electro is more popular, and more visually entertaining than Vulture in my opinion.
By the way, I'm hoping it's not Vulture in Spiderman 4. (although very likely)

Vulture is easier to explain than Electro; powers and suit.

Look at Sandman, people complained of how he got his powers...the whole "It's just a bird" thing.

 

[Chris Wallace]

People actually want to see Vulture more than Electro? I'm surprised.

I'd say my interest in both is pretty much equal.
But then I'm still holding out hope for

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm partial to both as well, including Mysterio. I love the original villains. Kraven hopefully appears with Lizard.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well add Morbius to the mix.

http://www.joblo.com/raimi-wants-morbius

Source article is from Empire Magazine.

Agreed. If we could read the Empire interview...

I have read the interview and Raimi isnt mis-quoted. He does mention that he wants to see Morbius in the movie and I hope he is right. Morbius was awesome in the 90's cartoon, one of my favourite's and if he can be in a cartoon he can be in a movie.

 

[terry78]

Haha people are already calling it Raimi trying to cash in on the sympathetic vamp thing that's big right now.

 

[JerseyJoker]

I find it funny that Riami never said he wanted Morbius in the next film, he just said he always thought he was a cool villain.

People are looking WAY to much into this comment.

But there i no doubt AT ALL, that Lizard is the most logical choice next in line, followed by foes like Vulture, Mysterio, Kraven, etc..

 

[I Am The Knight]

I have read the interview and Raimi isnt mis-quoted. He does mention that he wants to see Morbius in the movie and I hope he is right.

Oh boy.

Morbius was awesome in the 90's cartoon, one of my favourite's and if he can be in a cartoon he can be in a movie.

Um OK...I think the character is fine, but he's far from what I want to see in a Spider-Man movie.

 

[American_Hobo]

One thing for sure....Even IF Raimi really wants to use Morbius, there's no way Sony would allow Raimi to use Morbius in Spiderman 4 or 5, considering his popularity.

 

[SuperKoala]

I'm ready for some shocker action!

 

[LightningFlash]

One thing for sure....Even IF Raimi really wants to use Morbius, there's no way Sony would allow Raimi to use Morbius in Spiderman 4 or 5, considering his popularity.

Watch, Raimi wants to put Morbius in and then Arad says no, which will then have fans thanking Avi now

 

[zeptron]

Unless there's more to that quote than what's in that article, Raimi never said that he wanted Morbius in the movie. All he said was that he thought Morbius was cool "in the Marvel comics" and he likes the "combination of superhero plus supernatural." Sam, being a big Spider-Man comic book fan, could have just been talking about how he enjoys the story-lines with Morbius in them, and hasn't given much thought to putting him into a movie.

I'd rather see Morbius in his own solo movie.... or that possible Blade reboot.

And as for any ideas of having a three-way fight between Spidey, Lizard and Morbius, please... no.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Nip/Tuck was on basic cable, too. But they're not about to show any of the kind of graphic stuff in that show in a Spidey movie either.

Nip/Tuck doesnt have the same tone and atmosphere as Spidey. Whedons stuff did. It wasnt graphic, it was about characters were both emotional and upbeat. There were plenty of attempts at humor and action.

Unless he's planning a complete rewrite of Morbius, that's very unlikely. I've never liked Morbius in the comics. He never really fit into Spider-Man's world, IMO. Spidey is not a vampire hunter.

Not to mention we have more vampire movies these days than you can shake a stick at. We don't need it in the Spidey movies, too.

So yeah, I'll stick to "tradition" with Spidey's classic rogues gallery. It's what helped make Spidey as popular as he is.

Morbius is a living vampire, a product of a lab accident studying bats, not unlike most of Spideys rogues gallery. Theres also plenty of superhero movies to shake your stick at, but that doesnt seem to matter. Choosing a villain shouldnt always be about just finding the more popular character and sticking him in. Luckily there werent only stories but themes that revolved around the choices of Joker, Two Face, Doc Ock, and Green Goblin. Morbius implies a much different kind of movie than the other characters have had through the natural characteristics of a vampire movie, but also has much in common with Spideys other rogues that doesnt make him a gross mistake either. So if Raimi has a reason to use Morbius, he most certainly should and it would be as valid as any member of Spideys rogues.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Unless there's more to that quote than what's in that article, Raimi never said that he wanted Morbius in the movie. All he said was that he thought Morbius was cool "in the Marvel comics" and he likes the "combination of superhero plus supernatural." Sam, being a big Spider-Man comic book fan, could have just been talking about how he enjoys the story-lines with Morbius in them, and hasn't given much thought to putting him into a movie.

I'd rather see Morbius in his own solo movie.... or that possible Blade reboot.

And as for any ideas of having a three-way fight between Spidey, Lizard and Morbius, please... no.

The director of the Spiderman movies name drops a favorite character of his who happens to have made his first appearance in Spiderman comics. I recognize the fact that he didnt say "I'm using him" but it certainly deserves some discussion.

 

[JerseyJoker]

He doesn't just name drop the character out of nowhere, he is asked which comic villian he likes. And anyone that knows Riami knows his love for horror, so Morbius wouldn't be a odd choice, especially since Riami has been a fan of the comics from when he was kid himself, people just take things he says way out of line.

 

[The Joker]

Nip/Tuck doesnt have the same tone and atmosphere as Spidey. Whedons stuff did. It wasnt graphic, it was about characters were both emotional and upbeat. There were plenty of attempts at humor and action.

Buffy is nowhere near like the atmosphere of Spidey. Buffy was bloody well scary and intense. Yeah, there was humour, but that was to do with characters like the hapless Xander, goofy Willow, or silly episodes where love spells are cast, or they do an all singing and dancing episode etc. The vampire stuff was intense.

Buffy is rated 15's:

The Spider-Man movies are rated PG-13. Aimed at kids. Buffy is not.

Morbius is a living vampire, a product of a lab accident studying bats, not unlike most of Spideys rogues gallery.

But Morbius is still a vampire. And a vampire to the public is supernatural. Even Raimi called Morbius supernatural in his quote about liking him.

It doesn't fit in Spidey's world, IMO. Keep stuff like that to Blade.

Theres also plenty of superhero movies to shake your stick at, but that doesnt seem to matter.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? Are you seriously trying to say Batman, the X-Men, Hellboy, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man etc are all the same type of superhero? Come off it. They are all so vastly different, in entirely different worlds, with different personalities, origins, methods of operating etc.

A vampire is always going to be a blood sucker who preys on humans. Morbius is no different from the thousands of other generic vampire characters in a hundred vampire flicks out the there. Oh yeah, he became a vampire thru science. Whoop de doo. He's still a vampire.

Choosing a villain shouldnt always be about just finding the more popular character and sticking him in.

No, not the most popular, just one of the popular ones. Morbius does not fall into that category. Have you seen anyone champing for Morbius to be in these movies?

Spidey has a wealth of popular villains. Many better ones to choose from with a far richer comic book history.

Luckily there werent only stories but themes that revolved around the choices of Joker, Two Face, Doc Ock, and Green Goblin.

Because they're great villains with a great history in the comic books. It's very easy to fit a theme for them.

Morbius implies a much different kind of movie than the other characters have had through the natural characteristics of a vampire movie, but also has much in common with Spideys other rogues that doesnt make him a gross mistake either.

Morbius doesn't present anything new to the table that cannot be done better with one of the other villains. His big stand out from the crowd is that he's a supernatural type character associated with horror movies.

Even reading Raimi's quote "I loved when Spider-Man fought Morbius. It was cool to see superhero meet supernatural. What a cool character. A vampire", doesn't exactly win me over that Raimi is looking at this character for nothing other than the cool factor of having a vampire in a movie. That's his horror roots talking, IMO.

If he wants to do a vampire then go do another horror flick.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Buffy is nowhere near like the atmosphere of Spidey. Buffy was bloody well scary and intense. Yeah, there was humour, but that was to do with characters like the hapless Xander, goofy Willow, or silly episodes where love spells are cast, or they do an all singing and dancing episode etc. The vampire stuff was intense.

Buffy is rated 15's:

The Spider-Man movies are rated PG-13. Aimed at kids. Buffy is not.

Are you saying the Spidey movies never had any intense or scary scenes. Cause my I caught my 9 year old cousin jumping at plenty of scenes from Spidey movies. And I dont remember Buffy being any bloodier than the Spidey movies have been.

But Morbius is still a vampire. And a vampire to the public is supernatural. Even Raimi called Morbius supernatural in his quote about liking him.

It doesn't fit in Spidey's world, IMO. Keep stuff like that to Blade.

Raimi mentioned liking the fact that you can mix the worlds. The worlds can be mixed. You refuse to even look at the possibility.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? Are you seriously trying to say Batman, the X-Men, Hellboy, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man etc are all the same type of superhero? Come off it. They are all so vastly different, in entirely different worlds, with different personalities, origins, methods of operating etc.

The same can be said about vampire movies. Dracula is castly different than Near Dark which has nothing in common with Blade. My point being that there are a number of elements from any given movie that appears in more than one film. Again you are just refusing to even humor the idea in the least.

No, not the most popular, just one of the popular ones. Morbius does not fall into that category. Have you seen anyone champing for Morbius to be in these movies?

No, but that doesnt mean he doesnt derserve any consideration.

Spidey has a wealth of popular villains. Many better ones to choose from with a far richer comic book history.

Because they're great villains with a great history in the comic books. It's very easy to fit a theme for them.

Same could be said for Morbius.

Morbius doesn't present anything new to the table that cannot be done better with one of the other villains. His big stand out from the crowd is that he's a supernatural type character associated with horror movies.

Even reading Raimi's quote "I loved when Spider-Man fought Morbius. It was cool to see superhero meet supernatural. What a cool character. A vampire", doesn't exactly win me over that Raimi is looking at this character for nothing other than the cool factor of having a vampire in a movie. That's his horror roots talking, IMO.

I never said "Raimi is using Morbius." In fact, I already stated that I am not saying that. What I am saying is to hop on the character and say Morbius doesnt belong because he isnt popular and Spidey wouldnt even fight him when he obviously has is ridiculous. To think he could never make it to a Spiderman movie or that if he did it would autmoatically be a mistake is ridiculous.

If he wants to do a vampire then go do another horror flick.

Or he could make a Spidey movie with Morbius, because afterall, Morbius IS a Spiderman rogue.t: