Tilda Swinton Cast as The Ancient One

[OokieSpookie]

???. Wouldn't you think it a bit silly if an african tribal leader was played by a white or asian actor?

Except there were black dukes, generals and title holders in European history...
And in this day and age the likelihood is more so.
People did sleep around quite a bit.

 

[Lilbaz]

Except there were black dukes, generals and title holders in European history...
And in this day and age the likelihood is more so.
People did sleep around quite a bit.

Name me one member of nobility from an eastern european country that is black?

I take it that you haven't travelled eastern europe? They are nowhere near as multi cultural as western europe.

As i said i have no problem with ejiofor being the bad guy. I have no problem him being mordo, i really don't have a problem with him being a really powerful man from eastern europe. Just think it would be weird to say he was a baron. In my country england, yes. He could be and i would celebrate the fact.

Anyway, i don't really care, just think it doesn't fit.

Now they could go with haitian. Along the lines of baron samedi, which could fit well. Haiti and samedi have an aura of mysticism already.

 

[Nokio]

???. Wouldn't you think it a bit silly if an african tribal leader was played by a white or asian actor?

You can't even equate the two. What is silly about him playing Mordo?? A black man can't be a Baron? There are numerous scenarios where one can. It's a lot easier too………no no no. I'm not doing this, this is how all this tidal wave of crap about a black man playing another white character from the comics begins. Baron Mordo? Really? Is there enough fans to raise a stink about this? He may not even be a Baron in the comics. His first name could be Baron and last name Mordo. That's how you solve the issue of a European title.

 

[Nokio]

Truth be told I know nothing about the Mordo character cause I wasn't into Strange solo comics. I've heard of Baron Mordo and have seen him as a supporting villian in another title that I did read but it was scarce and honestly I just thought Baron Mordo was his name, the thought never crossed my mind that he was an actual Baron until a few days ago when it was announced that Efijor was cast. I really just didn't ever care about the character to pay attention to him.

 

[Lilbaz]

You can't even equate the two. What is silly about him playing Mordo?? A black man can't be a Baron? There are numerous scenarios where one can. It's a lot easier too………no no no. I'm not doing this, this is how all this tidal wave of crap about a black man playing another white character from the comics begins. Baron Mordo? Really? Is there enough fans to raise a stink about this? He may not even be a Baron in the comics. His first name could be Baron and last name Mordo. That's how you solve the issue of a European title.

Did you even read my posts before going on your anti racist rant? As i said i have no problem with him being the big bad, i have no problem with him being mordo, i have no problrm with him being called baron mordo if he was english or even haitian. But if you are going to say that he was a baron of an eastern european country i would find that strange as they are some of the least multi cultural countries on the planet. Slovakia came out and said that of the millions of refugees from libya and syria they will only take the catholics as they do not have any mosques in the country. Watch a soccer game in russia or some other eastern european countries (not all) and listen to the crowd msking monkey noises when ever a black player gets a ball. It is disgusting and the reason i would find it strange.

So wind it in or at least understand my posts.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

no no. I'm not doing this,

And yet you keep posting.

this is how all this tidal wave of crap about a black man playing another white character from the comics begins.

The only person turning this into a racial thing is you. One would think you'd be happy that virtually no one has complained about the Mordo casting, yet here you are doing everything in your power to spin it into something ugly.

 

[NHawk19]

Lord no, please i hope you dont mean they can use make up to make her An old asian male?

They may. I'm thinking she may be more other worldly though. Or an alternate form.

In all honesty I'm thinking they'll combine a little of the Ancient One's origin with Madame Webb.

 

[Lilbaz]

They may. I'm thinking she may be more other worldly though. Or an alternate form.

In all honesty I'm thinking they'll combine a little of the Ancient One's origin with Madame Webb.

That is an interesting thought. Are we talking the spiderman animated series? I liked that as a sort of overlooker and guide.

 

[Silvermoon]

Tilda Swinton says her Doctor Strange character's gender is 'in the eye of the beholder'

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Tilda Swinton says her Doctor Strange character's gender is 'in the eye of the beholder'

beholders? Marvel/D&D crossover CONFIRMED!!!

 

[RockSP]

Lord no, please i hope you dont mean they can use make up to make her An old asian male?

They may. I'm thinking she may be more other worldly though. Or an alternate form.

I really hope they won't do anything that stupid.

 

[TheVision]

 

[Dr. Evil]

EW refers to him as Karl Mordo.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

How do you think she will look? How do you want her to look? Specifically in terms of femininity/masculinity.

Spoiler

I'm thinking about whether I'd like her to be bald. It definitely helps with the androgyny.

 

[Mad Ones]

Damn she's wonderful.

 

[Vartha]

Another article on Yahoo this morning too.
http://news.yahoo.com/marvel-tries-explain-away-whitewashing-210800016.html?nf=1

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Damn she's wonderful.

and to think that, if things had gone just a little bit wrong, she could have been Prince Charles's wife and would now be Princess Mathilda instead of a divine actress...

 

[BoredGuy]

Spoiler

it's just weird seeing that top right photo of her looking 'traditionally' feminine/'pretty'
doesn't work for her

 

[Strangefan]

From what we see of Mordo and Strange's costumes, there is a multi-layered aspect to them, with rich colors. I do believe I have read in the EW article they indicate that she is dressed in pale robes. So I think she will have the multi layered look, but in pale colors. With her ethereal look, I can't imagine that they wouldn't heighten the whole pale aspect, and show her hair.

 

[NHawk19]

I'm actually wondering now after reading all this if they'll explain it as the Ancient One being a thing of legend lost to time.

People who tell the story have told it as male because men were in power and it fit their narrative. But that her story is much older than many can remember. I'm also wondering if she'll be older than 500 years to make that work.

 

[mace1]

As i said i have no problem with ejiofor being the bad guy.
I have no problem him being mordo, i really don't have a problem with him being a really powerful man from eastern europe.

Mordo is going to be a bad guy and good guy in the movie from what read so far.

 

[metaphysician]

I kind of doubt he's going to actually be a good guy. He's just not going to be a mustache-twirling villain, either.

 

[BarryAllen]

Still not a fan of this casting. I could've understood it at least before the announcement of Wong that Marvel was trying to remove all outdated characters from the movie, but after the Wong casting it seems extremely bull*****. They said they cast Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One to avoid the magical Asian mentor, yet proceeded to cast an Asian manservant? Is that not a trope itself?

And the funny thing, nobody is getting outraged over this blatant whitewashing. Not even the usual SJW tumblr/The Mary Sue crowd. All they said was "bbbbbbut that's Tilda Swinton, and you have to use her!" which the biggest avoidance of the topic that I've ever seen. The Mary Sue got mad over Emma Stone being cast in the Aloha movie, yet not about Tilda Swinton being cast as the Ancient One? And btw, this can easily have its tropes subverted by a)having good writing to avoid outdated tropes while still maintaining an Asian male Ancient One or b)cast an Asian FEMALE Ancient One, which could've still been diverse and a twist on the trope while still being Asian.

 

[Majik1387]

People gotupset about Emma Stone in Aloha because being Hawaiian was not just part of her character, it was pushed throughout the entire (horrible) movie.

Yes, the Ancient One has always been Asian male. But as what seems to be okay with posters the likes of you, side characters are entirely okay to be switched up, but not the main characters, noooooooo.

You can't complain about both and not be a hypocrite.

 

[BarryAllen]

People got upset about Emma Stone in Aloha because being Hawaiian was not just part of her character, it was pushed throughout the entire (horrible) movie.

Just like the Ancient One will be leading a mystical Eastern land, yet be played by a European white woman? Is that not having those Asian roots being pushed throughout the movie but being played by a white person ala Aloha?

Yes, the Ancient One has always been Asian male. But as what seems to be okay with posters the likes of you, side characters are entirely okay to be switched up, but not the main characters, noooooooo.

You can't complain about both and not be a hypocrite.

Where did I mention I didn't want the main characters to be diversified? Outside of Iron Fist (who I feel I should be white due to his relationship with Luke Cage and how the white/black dynamic does indeed add sub-context), I couldn't care less. I was even on board with the Pedro Pascal for Dr. Strange back when that was a thing AND continue to champion diverse castings for characters whose race plays no part in their character.

And is it not hypocritical for you to want diversity, yet turn away when there is a casting that is less diverse AND is actual whitewashing?