Tilda Swinton Cast as The Ancient One

Discussion in 'Doctor Strange' started by R_Hythlodeus, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. KRYPTON INC. Incorporated Kryptonian

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    I wish I could agree with most folks on these last two pages but I can't. And it's not that the Swinton did a bad job. I just didn't care given the film. I don't think the taboo of using Dark Dimension energy was particularly handled well or explained to the audience nor it's ramifications.

    Swinton is one of the best things in the film but it's very glossy and surface more than anything else. I didn't get a sense of Strange learning anything of particular import from her once the grand dimensional tour was completed, and that was the strongest sequence in the film. But after that... Meh. I feel much like the entire film her part as The Ancient One was far from bad but it wasn't particularly compelling or entertaining or enlightening all that much.
     
  2. Flint Marko Bring me Thanos

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    Strange and TAO's last scene together while they were looking at the snow is one of the best single scenes in the MCU.
     
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    I agree. Tildas Performance was really awesome. The best one IMO
     
  4. Slushy Registered

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    Orlando, The Chronicles Of Narnia, and Michael Clayton as well.

    The Chinese can't be bad guys per their government. That's why we got The Mandarin debacle.
     
  5. 2002SpideyFan Elite Mentor

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    Said by someone who has Chris Evan's buttcheeks as his avatar. Your opinion is definitely very relevant to a heterosexual man like myself.

    Shane Black?... Ah! You mean the guy who openly defended Mel Gibson's xenophobic remarks by saying, "Oh, well, we all get drunk and say stupid things."? You mean the guy who never even read an Iron Man comic? You mean the guy who doesn't even know in which year Iron Man first appeared? Sure, that talantless ha--great guy is an authority here.

    Wait, you're telling me that the real comic book fans didn't like it when some hack filmmaker decided to ruin the canon due to his inability to respect comics, because he views them as a dumb books with pictures and bubbles? Huh...

    Such as? Tell me about those "problematic aspects". I don't see how making an authentic Mandarin would be any more "problematic" than having Michael Pena, dressed as a lowlife rapper, talk with a cringeworthy chicano accent in that godawful Ant-Man movie. On the contrary, The Mandarin in the comics is often glorified as a man of high values and principles, who's very refined and intelligent.

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    Which I don't in any way as an ethnically negative aspect of any sort. But you know when you can consider a character to be radicalized? When you make him a comedic relief just because of his ethnicity - like in case with Ant-Man (hate that godawful movie).

    Altered? Shane Black didn't do jack thing about it. If you refer to Mandarin being portrayed as a dull terrorist from Middle-East, that wasn't his idea. It was already planed since the first movie, where the gang of extremists referred to themselves as "Ten Rings". Second of all, I don't see how making an Asian guy a dull Middle-Eastern cliche is any better. On the contrary, Mandarin in the comics is an apolitical figure. As Tony Stark himself have described him in Tales of Suspense #55, Mandarin is an almighty force of aggression that follows no political objectives. His only goal is to take world under his rule and destroy any sign of governmental control. Making him a political enemy of America destroys the progressiveness that the original conception of the character had.

    Well, because Iron Man 3 was a badly made, poorly written, horribly inauthentic to its top-notch source material piece of garbage.

    I just love how these MCU fans always tend to make unsubtle insinuations in which they accuse orthodox comic book community in racism. Yeah, sure, I'm a racist. Since it was me who stood up for Mel Gibson when he said all those nice things about black and Jewish people.

    But, even if you want to think that we all are members of the KKK, there is still a bit of a problem with your "comment". We can clearly see that your arrogance kind of overrides your knowledge of the subject matter.

    1. Mandarin have never been portrayed with Yellow Skin in any incarnation. That's actually one of the most progressive things about the character; he was the first Asian villain that was drawn with an appropriate skin color.


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    2. Hanfus (traditional Chinese clothes) are part of the Chinese folklore known as Wuxia and Chinese culture as a whole. It was very often in pre-modern China for a highborn man to wear a flamboyant outfits to illustrate his nobility. However, Mandarin wears them as a reminder of his legacy that the communists tried to take from him when he was still young and naive.

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    3. Mandarin isn't old. His age in comics has always varied between late 30s and early 40s.

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    4. Some Chinese men still to this day grow long fingernails. In Chinese culture, if you have long and clean fingernails, it shows that you are above middle-class, since you don't do proletarian work. It's why in Matt Fraction's comic book run Mandarin still has them and he looks after them.

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    But yeah, I hope you won't report me because I factually proved you to be wrong. Mandarin rules. Always will.

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