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Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

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My only real complaint would be the Red Queens captain (or whoever he is) acting wise, he was enjoyable...but the cgi body on him took me out of the film a bit. the way he moved didn't seem quite right in relation to his head...which is too bad considering the CGI was fantastic for the other creatures.

I spent the whole film trying to figure out what was up with him. I knew that something seemed off, but it wasn't until the end when I realized it was done purposely. Were his legs really long or something? I'm still a little confused, lol. And why was his eye piece only red when he was with the queen? I'm sure there was a purpose, but I didn't understand it :huh:
 
This is one of those movies that has its fair share of critics and fans. I enjoyed the film, but of course some people in this thread have expressed otherwise. I'd just suggest everyone to see it on their own and make their own decision. I know I often skip a movie if someone advises me too and then when I end up renting it, I really enjoy it.
 
Wow. This movie just did not do it for me. I know I expected Burton to give a more serious take on Alice in Wonderland, though I didn't expect the film to take itself THIS seriously. With source material like Alice in Wonderland you really can't go past Shrek levels of a serious tone without losing the attention of your target audience. Though as for losing the audience goes, it didn't help that Mia Wasikowska was sleep walking through the entire thing. And Depp? Oh god were there actually some people who said he'd play a good Joker a while back in the Dark Knight thread? Well he probably could to be honest. He probably could play a good Mad Hatter too. Yet for some reason he could not bring to life that mad wacky nature that makes the Hatter mad. He was written way too seriously. Not sure why the dormouse was so energetic either; contrary to his character. But the final nail in the coffin for this movie with me was that it was boring. Most of the jokes meant to be funny were unfunny. The scenes meant to spark emotion, did not. In fact, I just could not care what happened to anybody by the end of the film due to the characters being so uninteresting and under developed. To sum up; it seemed like this film thought it could get away with being completely uninteresting simply because it's called Alice in Wonderland and has characters that try to barely mimic the ones from Alice in Wonderland in it.
 
Big Fish was great. Probably his best film last decade.

I love Big Fish. Sweeney Todd and it are 2 of my top 3 Burton films. In fact, how would you rank 'em? I would go:


THE GREAT:

1. Ed Wood
2. Sweeney Todd
3. Big Fish
4. Edward Scissorhands
5. Beetlejuice

THE GOOD:

6. Batman
7. Batman Returns
8. Sleepy Hollow

THE....IT WAS OKAY:

9. Alice in Wonderland

THE STRAIGHT UP BAD:

10. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
11. Mars Attacks!
12. Planet of the Apes

I admit I have not seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure ( :eek: ). But I did see Frankenweenie years ago and thought it was quite good.
 
Wow. This movie just did not do it for me. I know I expected Burton to give a more serious take on Alice in Wonderland, though I didn't expect the film to take itself THIS seriously. With source material like Alice in Wonderland you really can't go past Shrek levels of a serious tone without losing the attention of your target audience. Though as for losing the audience goes, it didn't help that Mia Wasikowska was sleep walking through the entire thing. And Depp? Oh god were there actually some people who said he'd play a good Joker a while back in the Dark Knight thread? Well he probably could to be honest. He probably could play a good Mad Hatter too. Yet for some reason he could not bring to life that mad wacky nature that makes the Hatter mad. He was written way too seriously. Not sure why the dormouse was so energetic either; contrary to his character. But the final nail in the coffin for this movie with me was that it was boring. Most of the jokes meant to be funny were unfunny. The scenes meant to spark emotion, did not. In fact, I just could not care what happened to anybody by the end of the film due to the characters being so uninteresting and under developed. To sum up; it seemed like this film thought it could get away with being completely uninteresting simply because it's called Alice in Wonderland and has characters that try to barely mimic the ones from Alice in Wonderland in it.
Nice post. I did not know what to expect so I just went with the flow. The movie was not great by any means but it was not bad either.
 
I admit I have not seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure ( :eek: ). But I did see Frankenweenie years ago and thought it was quite good.

How in the world have you NOT seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure!?!?! :nono:
 
Nice post. I did not know what to expect so I just went with the flow. The movie was not great by any means but it was not bad either.

I tried. I really did want to enjoy this movie and expected to without having any ridiculous expectations for it, but in the end I was too bored with and apathetic towards the story.
 
Whoa. I just noticed how much Ann Hathaway looks like Rosario Dawson.
 
THE STRAIGHT UP BAD:

10. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
11. Mars Attacks!
12. Planet of the Apes
Hey now..."Mars Attacks!" is a fun movie. It's meant to be cheesy. And "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" does have some redeeming qualities to it. I'll agree with you about "Planet of the Apes". It just doesn't feel like a Tim Burton movie.

What trailers were they showing in front of this movie?
I remember seeing "Toy Story 3", "How to Train Your Dragon" and "Despicable Me".
 
How in the world have you NOT seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure!?!?! :nono:

What can I say...I'm not a big fan of the Pee-wee character (I never found him or the actor very funny). I'll be dodging tomatoes now...
 
Hey now..."Mars Attacks!" is a fun movie. It's meant to be cheesy. And "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" does have some redeeming qualities to it. I'll agree with you about "Planet of the Apes". It just doesn't feel like a Tim Burton movie.


I remember seeing "Toy Story 3", "How to Train Your Dragon" and "Despicable Me".

What can I say. I just didn't care for Mars Attacks despite the great cast and some very funny moments. CATCF has a few good qualities, but the movie has always just left me very cold. And unlike Alice, it has a (IMO) superior film iteration before it, albeit the older film strayed from the book. This just felt very stiff to me, kind of like POTA did.
 
I saw Toy Story 3,Tron and how to train your dragon.:woot:

These, along with 'Despicable Me' and The Kung Foo...I mean, 'The Karate Kid'. :p

Wow. This movie just did not do it for me. I know I expected Burton to give a more serious take on Alice in Wonderland, though I didn't expect the film to take itself THIS seriously. With source material like Alice in Wonderland you really can't go past Shrek levels of a serious tone without losing the attention of your target audience. Though as for losing the audience goes, it didn't help that Mia Wasikowska was sleep walking through the entire thing. And Depp? Oh god were there actually some people who said he'd play a good Joker a while back in the Dark Knight thread? Well he probably could to be honest. He probably could play a good Mad Hatter too. Yet for some reason he could not bring to life that mad wacky nature that makes the Hatter mad. He was written way too seriously. Not sure why the dormouse was so energetic either; contrary to his character. But the final nail in the coffin for this movie with me was that it was boring. Most of the jokes meant to be funny were unfunny. The scenes meant to spark emotion, did not. In fact, I just could not care what happened to anybody by the end of the film due to the characters being so uninteresting and under developed. To sum up; it seemed like this film thought it could get away with being completely uninteresting simply because it's called Alice in Wonderland and has characters that try to barely mimic the ones from Alice in Wonderland in it.

The fully CG characters were done a lot better than the human characters.
 
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That's kind of odd but can't say I disagree. I also liked Jabberwocky's dialogue.
 
My review:

The 21st Century has, thus far, been a bumpy and oft-frustrating ride for lovers of Tim Burton’s highly idiosyncratic, Goth-tinged brand of misfit cinema, where emotionally and/or physically scarred outsiders undergo whimsical journeys in search of acceptance and comfort. Although the auteur’s delightful Gran Guignol take on Sweeney Todd was as queasily beautiful as a freshly-drawn gush of blood splatter upon immaculate white linen, and 2002’s Big Fish offered up a loving deconstruction of the art of storytelling, these intriguing ventures have been largely overshadowed by his more clunky, costly – and considerably more lucrative – blockbuster efforts, Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Certainly there are germs of wounded, bravura inventiveness to be mined within those unsatisfying misfires but there’s also a disturbingly perceptible feeling that the director’s once-potent formula for spinning poignant, weirdo spectacle has begun to unravel like Oogie Boogie’s potato-sack hide.

While Alice in Wonderland, a feverishly-designed blending of Burton’s off-beat artistic quirks and the bizarre imagination of Lewis Carroll, won’t exactly alleviate fans’ apprehensions, it’s a frequently fascinating technical achievement which masks its narrative inadequacies with enough visual bedazzlement to please those in search of unforgettable strange sights and rich landscapes. Tearing a page from Spielberg’s Hook, Burton reintroduces an older, more conflicted Alice (Mia Wasikowska – as spookily pale as any Burton heroine, wearing subtly dark eye-makeup and, eventually, an Avril Lavigne wardrobe), a 20-year-old Victorian dreamer who, convinced her childhood escapades were simply a vivid nightmare, once more takes a fateful header down the ol’ rabbit hole while escaping a ghastly engagement party. Befuddled and frightened, the plucky blonde quickly encounters her old peculiar playmates and becomes entangled in their plight, yearning to escape from under the tyrannical rule of the light-bulb-headed Red Queen (Helena Bonham Carter – fun as a screeching cartoon, but noticeably underwritten) and her gangly henchman, the Knave of Hearts (Crispin Glover).

Burton handles these remarkably strong initial sections with carefully-measured humour and expertly orchestrated sequences of surrealistic marvel - particularly Alice’s lengthy plunge and protracted attempts, involving shrinking-potions and growing-cakes, to enter through a miniature door into Wonderland. Part of the irresistible charm of these early moments lies in the fact that they’re played with minimal dialogue and overwhelming sound, drawing us in and allowing us to share the heroine’s disorientation and naive curiosity. We’re genuinely astonished, and so is Mia Wasikowska, who truly shines as Alice, imparting her with restrained gutsiness, virtuousness and a mild rebellious streak (established during her very funny fumbling navigation through the lavish opening garden party) which provides the project with a strong grounding influence once the ornately-designed CG and frenetic characters burst into the picture.

And, boy, do they ever! Tweedledee and Tweedledum (Matt Lucas), along with White Rabbit (Michael Sheen) and Dormouse (Barbara Windsor), are speedily introduced with little fanfare at all, a creative choice which won’t bother many, but rather tested my own extremely vague memories of the monotonously episodic 1951 animated adaptation and its Disneyland ride counterpart, and may also leave younger viewers a tad perplexed. However, the movie quickly finds its footing with a pair of truly enchanting encounters, featuring the dignified Blue Caterpillar (Molasses-voiced Alan Rickman), who’s stateliness and wise words are enveloped within immense cloudy puffs of tobacco (?) smoke, and the enigmatic Cheshire Cat (Stephen Fry), a fabulously-executed, hypnotic creation whose silky charms and graceful floating movements alone make the film worth seeing in digital 3D.

Oddly enough, Alice’s biggest stumbling block is its most ubiquitous selling point, which is the problematic Mad Hatter (Johnny Depp), a mincing, lisping dandy, who frequently speaks in an incomprehensible Scottish brogue (Has Depp been hanging around Mike Myers?), and has been upgraded from anarchic lunatic to eccentric freedom fighter with a tragic paper-thin backstory. Though his initial tea party appearance, alongside the hilarious March Hare (Paul Whitehouse), hits the right marks, once he begins to steer the film’s trajectory, pushing Alice towards helping restore reign to the benevolent White Queen (a beaming, fluttering Anne Hathaway), the story begins to sag and wobble. For, Hatter is too creepy to be heroic, too silly to be taken seriously, and wrapping Alice in Wonderland so tightly around him is a woeful miscalculation. He should have remained a colourful side-character and left the heavy-lifting to the charismatic Wasikowska.

To his great credit, Burton masterfully slathers on spell-binding sight after spell-binding sight in order to distract from the film’s lack of propulsion in the middle-sections, and he’s actually reasonably successful. By the time Alice, sporting fetching shiny armour and swinging a mighty sword, faces off against the terrible Jabberwocky, and the eternal peace of Wonderland hangs in the balance, I was thoroughly immersed in Burton’s vision. Alice probably won’t wow Carroll diehards, or remain lodged in the average film-goers’ head for very long, but as an exercise in Tim Burton-ian movie magic, it often works wonders.

3/5
 
The fully CG characters were done a lot better than the human characters.

Yeah, the Tweedle twins, March Hare, the White Rabbit, Chesire Cat, and Alan Rickman as the blue catepillar were all good I suppose, but they never got enough focus to really shine. Ann Hathaway also seemed like her character as the White Queen would have been interesting had she more time to be so whimsical, but the big four in the film were Alice, Hatter, the Dormouse, and the Red Queen. None of whom struck a good chord with me, probably because they were put in such a serious tone of character contrary to the others.
 
Agreed. They looked fantastic.

The CGI and visuals is what stood out to my most in the film too. I loved seeing it in 3D, but I think I might go again this weekend with a few friends and watch it in 2D. I am curious to see how it does in the box office this weekend too.
 
Yeah, the Tweedle twins, March Hare, the White Rabbit, Chesire Cat, and Alan Rickman as the blue catepillar were all good I suppose, but they never got enough focus to really shine. Ann Hathaway also seemed like her character as the White Queen would have been interesting had she more time to be so whimsical, but the big four in the film were Alice, Hatter, the Dormouse, and the Red Queen. None of whom struck a good chord with me, probably because they were put in such a serious tone of character contrary to the others.

actually I think the weakest CGI character(s) were the twins. They looked unfinished.

also, Crispin Glover's character had awkward animation. Otherwise, the other characters looked great.
 
THE STRAIGHT UP BAD:

10. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
11. Mars Attacks!
12. Planet of the Apes

I admit I have not seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure ( :eek: ). But I did see Frankenweenie years ago and thought it was quite good.

don't tell people that you haven't seen it. people will treat you like a leaper.

but i agree that 'Charlie' was just stright up bad.
 
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