The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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Oh please, I spent thousands of dollars on my flash collection and related material.
So my wanting the CW to remain consistent to the regular continunity material does not open me to a ****storm, quit kneejerking like there is some reason to take a moral high ground. It makes you sound like an elitist. Spare me you righteous indignation.
I want a Iris I recognize as the character from the comics. Simple as that.
Are you trying to tell me she doesn't look like that?

I would also prefer Barry be blond... Am I gonna get in trouble for that? Probably... Whatever...

So spending money on the character and being a huge fan means you can say whatever? You called this an awful version of Iris and the ONLY reason you gave was because she's black, that goes beyond saying you'd prefer Barry be blonde, because you didn't say you'd prefer she look more like her comics counterpart, you outright called this an awful version and gave no other reasoning, and being a huge fan doesn't make it come off any differently.
 
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It's not cause she's black. That's laughable.

She doesn't act like Iris, doesn't look like her, it's not Iris it's the CW Iris.

Does the CW Iris act like Comic Iris? Does she look like her?
Nope... So they got it wrong. Thus it is an awful version of her.

But all anyone sees is racism. Go ahead, honestly I don't care. Twist it anyway you like, Mr this isn't the Iris thread then rattles on about it.

It don't make her Iris

ANYHOW...

How about Hunter Zolomon not Edward Thawne. Would still be a Reverse Flash.

It rather makes sense. He know the police like Zolomon, he has knowledge/access of/to the future like Zolomon. Zolomon wanted to make Flash a better hero, which is what Harrison Wells is doing... Could be him.

Still would like him to be Abra.

Actually in the brave and bold episode feat Flash, Abra believes he killed the Flash, It shocked him so much that he returned to the future to see if he has made any alternations...
Something Wells has been shown to be concerned about.

Interesting at least.
 
It's not cause she's black. That's laughable.

She doesn't act like Iris, doesn't look like her, it's not Iris it's the CW Iris.

Does the CW Iris act like Comic Iris? Does she look like her?
Nope... So they got it wrong. Thus it is an awful version of her.

But all anyone sees is racism. Go ahead, honestly I don't care. Twist it anyway you like, Mr this isn't the Iris thread then rattles on about it.

It don't make her Iris

ANYHOW...

How about Hunter Zolomon not Edward Thawne. Would still be a Reverse Flash.

It rather makes sense. He know the police like Zolomon, he has knowledge/access of/to the future like Zolomon. Zolomon wanted to make Flash a better hero, which is what Harrison Wells is doing... Could be him.

Still would like him to be Abra.

Actually in the brave and bold episode feat Flash, Abra believes he killed the Flash, It shocked him so much that he returned to the future to see if he has made any alternations...
Something Wells has been shown to be concerned about.

Interesting at least.

Bad wording and bad timing regarding Iris. You realize POC's would interpret that as racism right?

Anyway, the Abra theory holds in that the fake wheelchair and glasses add a bit of theatrical flair if he ever does a big reveal. Plus, he does seem kind of hurt that he's gone from celebrity to pariah.

However, without the mustache and goatee, I'm not sure if you think he's a good version of Abra because it don't look like him.
 
Actually with a mustache and goatee he would look like him.
But that's a cute underhanded swipe... Nice try.

I'm holding firm to my opinions about Iris. I don't care if people believe it is meant as a racist remark when it's not.
Dial down your sensitivity buttons.
If you want to feel all righteously inflamed go ahead.
I am the least racist person u will ever meet. If people want to misconstrue and interpret a few words as the whole of the person I am, I guess then you go girl!
She's a cw version of Iris... Not the one I read about.

I'm not commenting on it anymore... That's futility with hyper sensitive members of this board apparently.
So interpret away... I'll only be amused.
 
Who the frack is Edward Thawne?
 
She's a cw version of Iris... Not the one I read about.

That is correct. So with that said either accept that fact or just stop watching the show altogether if it grinds your gears so much.

This is an adaptation not the comic book. If the liberties that the showrunners are taking with adapting the material to television bother you so much then just stick with the comic books.
 
Nah... I'll continue to speculate on Wells. But thanks for your input, Cain.
 
last episode put the kibosh on the "Wells is future Barry" idea that I was pretty fond of, at least for me it did. He was way too distraught over the future changing than a future Barry should be IMO. I'm still not keen on the idea that he's related to the Thawnes though; he could be something else entirely
 
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^ Thank you.

I'm glad that I'm two-for-two with regards to who Rev. Flash ISN'T, but do want to know who he IS (hopefully we'll get some clues sooner rather than later).
 
^ Thank you.

I'm glad that I'm two-for-two with regards to who Rev. Flash ISN'T, but do want to know who he IS (hopefully we'll get some clues sooner rather than later).

I wouldn't count either of them out just yet, Reverse Flash is a time traveller, so he could be in a room with himself if he wanted to in order to throw suspicion off of him. Also possible that Wells or Thawne haven't become Reverse Flash yet and upon finding out the Reverse Flash's identity it becomes a self fulfilling kinda thing. That's how it played out in that Wally West arc where Eobard Thawne before becoming Professor Zoom went back in time to try and meet Barry but didn't go far enough and wound up in Wally's era. And in Thawne's century Reverse Flash's identity had become forgotten so when in Wally's era he found out that not only was he the Reverse Flash but that his longtime idol would kill him he completely lost his mind which set off a series of events that ultimately resulted in him becoming Reverse Flash. They could easily go with an altered take on that idea with one of their characters.
 
One constant in most time travel stories is that one version of yourself cannot exist at the same time as another version of yourself without causing immense problems.
 
One constant in most time travel stories is that one version of yourself cannot exist at the same time as another version of yourself without causing immense problems.

Eh, I've seen it done plenty of times on shows, films, and games, Doctor Who has done it, Back to the Future, Star Trek, etc. The Flash hasn't gotten into its time travel rules just yet so atm time travel means just about anything could happen.
 
Does anyone honestly think Eddie or Wells being the Reverse Flash would shock Grant? I have a hard time believing that it would.
 
One constant in most time travel stories is that one version of yourself cannot exist at the same time as another version of yourself without causing immense problems.

That rule doesn't apply to all time travel stories. Specifically it never applied to the comic book series that this TV series is based on. To be even more specific and put this in context Eobard Thawne and Professor Zoom (also Thawne) have occupied the same space numerous times. As recent as issue #8 of The Flash volume before Flashpoint and the Reverse Flash one shot tie in to the Flashpoint event.
 
I hate the idea of Reverse Flash being Barry Allen. Seriously.
 
If Barry Allen temporarily losing his powers can have such a drastic effect on the future, multiple versions of the same character occupying the same space should have an even bigger effect on the future because of the 'ripple effect' concept.
 
What if Wells is Barry, and the reason he has gone missing in the future is that he has travelled back in time to the past to try to prevent himself from going missing in the future? So he's created this temporal paradox and also the future headline, and is now trying to free himself from the loop.

Agreed, and this has been my theory ever since the fourth episode: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30005443&postcount=78

(Although, my theory on the Reverse Flash's identity has changed somewhat)

And, ever since then, there's been other "clues" if you will that suggest Wells is Barry from an alternate future as well:

*Wells knowing the exact speed at which Flash needs to run on water. Does seem like something a speedster with lots of experience would know.
*His compassion towards Grodd against Elling's experiments. Being that we know Grodd becomes a super-villain as would Barry, it stands to reason that reason that treating Grodd with compassion before he develops his powers would be an attempt to prevent him becoming evil.
*His discouraging Joe Wells to stop looking into the murder of Barry's mother and being evasive about the possibility of someone else with super-speed is obviously done to prevent him from getting close to the truth, but also to protect Joe. After all, Wells appears to like Joe which, if he's really a future Barry, makes sense as Joe is essentially his second father.
*The way Wells talked about losing his wife. Now, of course, since Wells is from the future, it's clear he's not being entirely honest here. However, the way he talks about his wife's loss, the idea of starting over and getting back what he lost seems really sincere. If Wells is really Barry, I think when he was talking about his wife, he was talking about Iris. And it also goes into the motives of why he's doing what he was doing. Oh, and if there was indeed a real Dr. Wells whose wife died in a car accident, how much you want to bet that the real Dr. Wells doesn't look like the man we think is Dr. Wells?
*His wanting Barry to increase his speed? Well, obviously, if Wells is Barry and has come from the future, then he'd want present day Barry to increase his speed fast enough to break the space-time barrier, too.
*His reaction towards the changing newspaper headline--notice he didn't really start losing his cool until Gideon told him there were no records of the Flash at all.
*Notice how when Blackout arrived as they were trying to escape, Wells' wheelchair shorted out? Then, as Cisco and Caitlin ran over to Barry as Blackout was him, Wells is suddenly behind Blackout at the far end of the garage in his wheelchair. So how did Wells get behind Blackout completely unnoticed by everyone when his wheelchair has been shorted out? Unless he had super speed?
*Also, his directing Blackout's attention away from the others towards him is clearly meant to motivate Barry, knowing that his lack of speed is psychological, and having figured out that Barry caring for those close to him is what motivates him. Also, it seemed to me that Wells wasn't the least bit phased when moved by Barry like others have been any time Barry rescued them...perhaps because Wells is used to super-speed?
*His wanting to collect Blackout's blood to find out how he's able to make Flash lose his powers. Well, it can't be for the purposes of him wanting to try and make Barry lose his powers given how he needs Barry to go faster and his panic over the headline changing. Not to mention it would also go against how The Flash is his "greatest creation" or some such. But, if he's Barry from the future, he knows there's another speedster out there--The Reverse Flash.

Granted, perhaps I'm reading a bit too much into this, but the main thing is the show is trying way too hard to make the audience think Wells is evil, and the idea that Wells is really a future version of Barry would definitely throw the audience through a loop.
 
One constant in most time travel stories is that one version of yourself cannot exist at the same time as another version of yourself without causing immense problems.

Really? What stories are those? Herry Potter, Looper, Charmed, Supernatural and many others don't have this rule. And when you think about it, it doesn't actually make any sense.
 
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