The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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I'm leaning more towards Barry's dad, being the RF and Well's working with him.

The last prison convo he had with Barry seemed really weird, and i find it hard to believe that the show runners would hint that Well's is really the RF from day one…then actually make him the RF; not much of a twist/revelation there.

I think the RF is someone we haven't thought of, and Barry's dad fits the bill. It also explain why the yellow speedster is the one who wisks young Barry out of the house….

I thought it was the Speedster with the yellow trail, not the yellow Speedster who did that. And if Barry's dad were RF, does that mean he really killed Nora Allen after all according to you?
 
Isn't it possible that her death was accidental, due to the speed around her, and not intentional?
 
No she had a knife in her chest. I guess maybe a knife got sucked into the vortex......

Now here's a theory I thought up while biking.

Wells is actually Harrison Wells. He is not from the future. What he has figured out though is how to see into the future with technology. He takes what he learns adopts it for his own use.

He is not Zoom or RF.

So he learn of The Flash and then Barry Allen. He only knows what the newspapers know. This is why he has to monitor Barry in person. He doesn't know what makes him the hero he will become.

Of course ever being the scientist he wants to harness the power of the Flash. Thus he builds a suit capable of absorbing the energy he generates.

Now feeding the suit makes it vibrate and anyone close enough has their voice distort.

Down the line, someone steals the suit and eventually goes back in time. Maybe this is Eddie or a descendant of Eddie.

Now either this RF has made an alliance with Wells

or

Wells has no clue about this guy except that he's wearing his suit. Now he doesn't like that the RF exists but he now knows his suit will one day be functional enough to go toe to toe with the Flash.

Well may have indeed been injured in the accident but he's had Barry Allen and all his coma speed energy to siphon and heal himself(can't let Cisco and Caitlin know that though).

Now I don't trust the CGI models. I think they likely just didn't have a suit ready for the pilot since it was the pilot. Same with some other models.
 
Barry's dad is not the RF, come on people... This is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.
 
Barry's dad is not the RF, come on people... This is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

Somebody actually theorized this? That's as dumb as Barry being the MITHYS.
 
Blame it on Lost and Christopher Nolan and the internetz. "Obvious" plot twists just don't cut it anymore.

Harrison Wells can't be the man in yellow because he's really a woman inside.
 
Maybe the Reverse Flash is Roy after a Mirakuru binge.

Oh wait, that doesn't work. He only wears red.

But maybe Roy is the other red blur!
 
What if the reason why Flash is missing in the future crisis is because of the fact that he had chased after Wells/RF into the speed force from the future and into the past, where they had fought inside Barry's old house? Something could have happened where while Wells got stuck in the past, Future Barry got lost in the vaccum.
 
I'm leaning towards Flash's crisis disappearance doesn't have much to do with the red blur/yellow lightning from Barry's past.

My guess is we'll actually see them time travel to Nora's murder sooner than later and that the Crisis will be some other vague thing that will come up in later storylines.
 
Barry's dad is not the RF, come on people... This is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

that scene in the stadium, RF has the frame of an in sort of shape oul fella, not scrawny like wells or healthy like the other fella eddie, though we have mainly seen the dad sitting down in all episodes up to now, bit hard to gauge what he would look like kicking the **** out of someone on a field while wearing a yellow suit, healthy late 40's early 50'sish with special effects maybe. How many people knew joe was reinvestigation the case at the time rf came to the house. barry, the dad, and wells. Why has the dad not mentioned anything about seeing the flash. yeah its ridiculous on a lot of levels but comes from a recent interview where guston suggested it won't be who people suspect, implication being there is a twist coming. since people have been guessing wells since episode one and one other bloke and there is no one else people are suspecting and the blatant inference is that they are to be ruled out, sure why not speculate about the dad.
 
that scene in the stadium, RF has the frame of an in sort of shape oul fella, not scrawny like wells or healthy like the other fella eddie, though we have mainly seen the dad sitting down in all episodes up to now, bit hard to gauge what he would look like kicking the **** out of someone on a field while wearing a yellow suit, healthy late 40's early 50'sish with special effects maybe. How many people knew joe was reinvestigation the case at the time rf came to the house. barry, the dad, and wells. Why has the dad not mentioned anything about seeing the flash. yeah its ridiculous on a lot of levels but comes from a recent interview where guston suggested it won't be who people suspect, implication being there is a twist coming. since people have been guessing wells since episode one and one other bloke and there is no one else people are suspecting and the blatant inference is that they are to be ruled out, sure why not speculate about the dad.


Just going to point out that they used a stunt double for the RF scenes and dubbed over his voice when he talked.
 
They literally show us that Wells is RF, yet people are still debating on who RF is...
 
They literally show us that Wells is RF, yet people are still debating on who RF is...

Yeah, I think folks are over-thinking this one a bit. While there might be some small mystery about precisely who Wells is - whether he's a future Barry, or actually Eobard Thawne or someone else, although I would say it's most likely he's Thawne- I think it would be very hard to argue that he's not the Reverse-Flash, seeing as he puts the suit into a container, and wears a flash ring, and uses voice distortion......again, pretty hard to argue that he's not the Reverse Flash.

Still, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
 
Yeah, I think folks are over-thinking this one a bit. While there might be some small mystery about precisely who Wells is - whether he's a future Barry, or actually Eobard Thawne or someone else, although I would say it's most likely he's Thawne.

There's no mystery about that part. He's not.
 
There's no mystery about that part. He's not.

Exactly, That theory that it's future Barry makes no sense whatsoever. I've seen absolutely nothing in the show to indicate that in the least. All I've seen so far is completely and utterly wild speculation on the part of certain fans.
 
Exactly, That theory that it's future Barry makes no sense whatsoever. I've seen absolutely nothing in the show to indicate that in the least. All I've seen so far is completely and utterly wild speculation on the part of certain fans.



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Having watched "Power Outage" again, especially the scene where Wells was conversing with his AI, I feel like Wells's version of "Reverse Flash" can't be motivated by bitterness or extreme hatred towards Barry like how Professor Zoom is in the comics, at least not at the moment.

The way Wells talked about Barry to Gideon, an AI whom he has no reason to put up a facade in front of, doesn't indicate that whatever his agenda is with Barry..is motivated out of personal hate.
 
Having watched "Power Outage" again, especially the scene where Wells was conversing with his AI, I feel like Wells's version of "Reverse Flash" can't be motivated by bitterness or extreme hatred towards Barry like how Professor Zoom is in the comics, at least not at the moment.

The way Wells talked about Barry to Gideon, an AI whom he has no reason to put up a facade in front of, doesn't indicate that whatever his agenda is with Barry..is motivated out of personal hate.

Which got me noticing something in the "Man in the Yellow Suit". The RF in the stadium is taunting Barry and does not seem very hateful of Barry. In fact, I believe the taunting the stadium RF did actually motivated Barry to take the mission of becoming faster. That is exactly what Dr Wells want, to Barry be a better hero? What not use his "Reverse Flash" persona to motivate Barry even further. The Reverse Flash in the stadium is not very hateful of Barry.

Compared to the Reverse Flash in STAR Labs, that Reverse Flash was a lot more violent and vengeful. In fact, I would say he seemed more angry. You saw the way he killed those police officers and nearly beat up Wells. Then, when the STAR labs RF is attacking Barry, it is almost about to kill Barry. That suggests hatred.

I don't know what to make of this, it could be there are two reverse flashes, maybe it was wells, i dont know. But the way the Star Labs RF was acting does not coincide with the way Wells has been acting with Barry. Basically what herolee10 said.
 
The Reverse Flash is a master manipulator. That's important to remember whenever you see Wells/Reverse Flash on screen.

His motivation isn't as simply as "I hate Barry Allen and want to kill him". Quite the contrary, in fact. He needs this young Flash to get faster and faster for some reason. That's why, as Wells, he's so keen on helping Barry develop his powers. He needs to keep the future intact and it also seems he needs something from Barry (maybe the ability to get back to his own time), but Barry's speed force isn't strong enough yet.

Wells revealing the 'Reverse Flash' to Barry in this last episode served two purposes. It allowed Wells to create this scenario in which he could steal that device for himself, but he also knew that Barry seeing his mother's killer would be a huge motivating factor for Barry to push himself harder to get faster and faster.

The Reverse Flash cannot kill the Flash because when Barry Allen was struck by that lightning, he effectively created the Speed Force. Without the Speed Force, RF would have never gotten his own powers. This is why Wells was so carefully following/watching Barry's "accident". Although RF cannot kill Barry, he LOVES to **** with him and try to be better than him.
 
Can someone explain to me how the timeline stuff works in the comics? For instance this is the problem I have with Harrison being Reverse Flash.

The theory, as I understand it, is that Harrison in the future comes back in time using his powers which he stole from the Flash, in order to set up the particle accelarator and create and train the Flash.. so he can steal from him.

Do you see a problem here? Harrison in the future wouldn't have his powers if he didn't go back in the past. So how does he go back in the past to begin with?

Is this just one of those paradox things? If future Harrison is depending on Flash having powers, to go back in time and create him... it just doesn't make sense.

The only way I can see it working is if Flash would have became Flash anyway regardless (that lightning chose you barry) and future Harrison never actually intended to get stuck in the past, so he's speeding up the process. Either way it's all a bit of a reach though.
 
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Can someone explain to me how the timeline stuff works in the comics? For instance this is the problem I have with Harrison being Reverse Flash.

The theory, as I understand it, is that Harrison in the future comes back in time using his powers which he stole from the Flash, in order to set up the particle accelarator and create and train the Flash.. so he can steal from him.

Do you see a problem here? Harrison in the future wouldn't have his powers if he didn't go back in the past. So how does he go back in the past to begin with?

Is this just one of those paradox things? If future Harrison is depending on Flash having powers, to go back in time and create him... it just doesn't make sense.

The only way I can see it working is if Flash would have became Flash anyway regardless (that lightning chose you barry) and future Harrison never actually intended to get stuck in the past, so he's speeding up the process. Either way it's all a bit of a reach though.

Grandfather Paradox

Stuff like that comes with the time travel territory. As a big fan of time travel fiction I find it more enticing than problematic.
 
Technically, it's a predestination paradox.

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually — from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint — it's more like a big ball of...
 
Time travel is tricky with all of the potential time-related paradoxes and whatnot.

For example: if Marty told Doc in November of 1955 to NOT build the time machine, for some reason or other, and Doc decides then and there not to build it. If that was the case, then Marty would never have been able to go travel into the past to begin with, to tell Doc NOT to build it in the first place.
 
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually — from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint — it's more like a big ball of...

of wibbly wobbly… timey wimey… stuff!
 
That sentence got away from you didn't it?

I always point out that episode didn't use that phrase as hand-waiving. It's a legitimate predestination paradox. The effect happened first, which led to the cause. Because of her experience with the Weeping Angels, Sally was able to meet up with the Doctor and tell him all the things he needed to do in order to save himself. She only found out about these things because she met the Doctor, but that's the nature of the paradox.

Another good example is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkhaban. Harry is able to summon his patronus because he saw himself already summon it. Time was a fixed circle and the actions in the past had always happened. There is usually no altering of the timeline under this scenario.
 
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