The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Norek]

If Harrison Wells somehow turns out to NOT be Reverse Flash, this season will go down in history for the most ridiculous over-use of "red herrings" in any television show or film.

I mean, I just don't understand some people's thought process on this. Do you really NOT want him to be RF so badly that you actually refuse to accept anything we've see so far as fact?

Well, I can't speak for others, but to me, when I get so much ambiguity, twists and red herrings, eventually, I don't know if I can trust any huge reveal whole-heartedly, without being a little suspicious.

The thing for me with the RF reveal was that it's been teased from the very beginning - literally every episode has some sort of "twist" involving Harrison Wells, hinting that he's from the future, he's not who he seems, he was even a suspect briefly by Joe as being involved in Nora Allen's murder.

So the ending of the last episode was a bit dull and tried to come off as surprising, when in fact it really wasn't (again, at least to me). When you tease the living **** out of something like that throughout the whole season so far, and on top of that have a few twists and turns and red herrings and contradicting and confusing info, eventually you can't just settle with a reveal like that, there is still a little bit of doubt in you that it's the whole story. A bit like the boy who cried "wolf" to me.

This reminds me a bit of Sara Lance's killer on Arrow - after so many twists and red herrings, eventually the actual killer's reveal wasn't so surprising, and at this point even if they decide to throw in yet another twist and reveal a new killer, I won't be surprised, and I won't even take it seriously anymore. It gets a little worn-out when you over-use red herrings and shocking moments just for the sake of building yet another twist at the end.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ That's the thing; it wasn't played to be shocking or 'twisty'. It was staged about as straightforward as possible.

These writers don't do flashy, and they also don't really use 'red herrings'. They'll hint at things, but those hints aren't meant to be misleading (which is what a red herring is).

 

[jrmtz543]

^ That's the thing; it wasn't played to be shocking or 'twisty'. It was staged about as straightforward as possible.
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I disagree. As straightforward as possible wouldn't have necessitated Wells and RF in scenes together (and goading each other).

Dedicated comic fans may speculate on a speedster's ability to be in two places at once, but casual views may see this as a cop-out on some level.

Straightforward could easily have been Wells removing his mask in the last scene or displaying superhuman speed.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The writers weren't going to do the reveal of Wells being the RF until the stinger, so unless they didn't have Wells in the last scene sequence of the episode (which wouldn't have made sense), the way they did it WAS as straightforward as possible under the circumstances, particularly the way in which they showed us that Wells had the Tacyhon device and the yellow suit.

 

[Norek]

I disagree. As straightforward as possible wouldn't have necessitated Wells and RF in scenes together (and goading each other).

Dedicated comic fans may speculate on a speedster's ability to be in two places at once, but casual views may see this as a cop-out on some level.

Straightforward could easily have been Wells removing his mask in the last scene or displaying superhuman speed.

Absolutely.

And let's face it - it's the last scene of a fall finale episode. Arrow, Smallville, etc. all loved doing a "shocking reveal" in their winter finales, and it seemed just like they tried to do the same thing here, but it just didn't have the same impact for me.

 

[Mike Murdock]

My personal view is this. Until they explain how Wells can be at two places at one time, there's still something yet unexplained. Since it's yet unexplained, I'll wait for that explanation before I agree that he is definitively Reverse Flash.

 

[Batmannerism]

I still think folks are over-thinking this.
Wells has the costume, the tachyon device, the vocal distortion, future knowlwdge/tech and no moral worries about killing in cold blood. Simply, this screams Reverse Flash.

In terms of being two places at once, given the show is about someone who can move fast enough to break prettymuch all the laws of physics, well I just dont see this as a stumbling block, if there's anyone who could appear , or even actually be, in two places at once its the Reverse Flash - particularly as he can travel in time.

In the comics the Reverse Flash...

Spoiler

meets his end when he tries to kill Iris on her and Barry's wedding day. Maybe RF actually travelled back to prevent his own death, but instead ended up too far back, and kills Nora Allen thus creating the predestination paradox that creates him and the Flash.
He can't return to his original time or jump forward enough to prevent his death without technological assistance, hence the theft of the tachyon device. Hell, maybe he needs Flash's unwitting help to time travel, which is why he's pushing Barry to get faster and faster.
Regardless, and no disrespect to anyone's theories I think its pretty clear that Wells is the RF. The reason Eddie Thawne has survived meeting RF is because he's an ancestor, whom RF cannot kill without messing uo the timeline.

This is just IMO and Im happy to eat my words if Im wrong .

BTW if I havent mentioned it already and any of you are new to the Flash, try and read
"The Return of Barry Allen." Its about 20 years old, but still awesome.

Cheers.

 

[Norek]

You know, it's not about eating anyone's words or pointing fingers at someone for being wrong with their speculation and laughing at them; we're all here to have a good discussion. That's what matters the most.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Don't get me wrong, I think Harrison Wells is Reverse Flash. I just think there's enough loose ends that I'm not going to be confident about it. Once those loose ends are tied up, I will say it's clearly established. But what I don't want is a situation where everyone accepts there's no room for debate and then they throw another curveball. Plot twists are fine, but you don't want to just cheat the audience.

I have no problem assuming he's Reverse Flash for the purposes of discussion in trying to figure out his motivations and all that stuff, though. I've done that from before the mid-season finale. My argument remains that he's not out to destroy the Flash, but to build him into something better. But we'll have to wait and see.

 

[jrmtz543]

My argument remains that he's not out to destroy the Flash, but to build him into something better.

This is one of my issues with Wells being RF. I know the Zolomon version of RF uses this motivation in his battles with Wally, but Wells displays so many contrasts in his character.

Based on what I've seen, I feel it would only be consistent if the Wells-version of RF might want to make Barry into his own version of a better hero - somebody willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the mission.

Yet during the Flash / Arrow episode, Wells urges Barry not to fall into the violent and shadowy path taken by Oliver. In other eps, Wells talks about morality, being a hero, and doing the right thing. If Wells is RF, why not encourage Barry to embrace the "dark side" and become "better" for it?

 

[OriginalMiles]

Because the hero needs to exist for Wells to exist?

 

[Mike Murdock]

This is one of my issues with Wells being RF. I know the Zolomon version of RF uses this motivation in his battles with Wally, but Wells displays so many contrasts in his character.

Based on what I've seen, I feel it would only be consistent if the Wells-version of RF might want to make Barry into his own version of a better hero - somebody willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the mission.

Yet during the Flash / Arrow episode, Wells urges Barry not to fall into the violent and shadowy path taken by Oliver. In other eps, Wells talks about morality, being a hero, and doing the right thing. If Wells is RF, why not encourage Barry to embrace the "dark side" and become "better" for it?

I'm not sure he wants Barry to go down a dark path at all. Losing a loved one is what inspired Barry to become who he is. All Reverse Flash is doing now is encouraging him to be faster, stronger, etc. This doesn't require going down a dark path.

 

[jrmtz543]

I'm not sure he wants Barry to go down a dark path at all. .

That's my point. Why wouldn't Wells encourage Barry to go down a dark path if he is RF? Wells is willing to kill and order the deaths of others if it suits his plans, yet he insists Barry play by a moral code?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Maybe he wants Barry to be better than he is. He's doing the dark things so Barry doesn't have to.

Granted, this whole plan would fall apart if Barry ever discovered Reverse Flash's identity.

 

[cheungcheung]

Is Harrison Wells Reverse Flash? Tom Cavanaugh says...

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/the_flash_tom_cavanagh_harrison_wells_reverse_flash-2015-01

 

[Eni]

Is Harrison Wells Reverse Flash? Tom Cavanaugh says...

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/the_flash_tom_cavanagh_harrison_wells_reverse_flash-2015-01

Well lookie there, Wells seems to be indeed the RF. Now I am curious which one. :3

Most obvious would be that he is a descendant of Eddie due to what happened in episode 9 but his acting in general make him appear more similar to Zolomon and if it is really Zoom, couldn't it be possible that he is somehow connected to Wally as well?

 

[cheungcheung]

Tom: "There is just one Reverse Flash

http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/11/flash-harrison-reverse-flash-eddie/

 

[DigificWriter]

I will bet even money that Eddie's connection to Reverse Flash lore turns out to be something that's in the same vein as what they did with Tommy Merlyn.

 

[Eni]

Tom: "There is just one Reverse Flash

http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/11/flash-harrison-reverse-flash-eddie/

Thanks for the link, this informations are great!

“We’re going to see what happened that night from the Reverse Flash’s point of view,” Kreisberg said. “I didn’t say it was from Wells’ point of view, I said it was from the Reverse Flash’s point of view.”

Well, sounds like they Wells could possibly be the future version of the RF that we have seen interacting with Barry in episode 9. That way Wells is not the RF that killed Barry's mom but is still a/the RF (because both of them are generall the same person but from different times?).

“Eddie’s connection to the Reverse Flash lore is going to pay off big time in the back half of the year.”

I guess Eddie is the ancestor of both Wells and this will come out towards the end. Poor guy, he seemed genuially nice.

This would also mean that Wells is in reality a Thawne, well should they not go for a different route with Wells being Zolomon and giving Eddie his powers and thus start the epic feud between the Allens and the Thawnes.

Well, I am definitely excited!

 

[Syncer]

Thanks for the link, this informations are great!

“We’re going to see what happened that night from the Reverse Flash’s point of view,” Kreisberg said. “I didn’t say it was from Wells’ point of view, I said it was from the Reverse Flash’s point of view.”

Well, sounds like they Wells could possibly be the future version of the RF that we have seen interacting with Barry in episode 9. That way Wells is not the RF that killed Barry's mom but is still a/the RF (because both of them are generall the same person but from different times?).

“Eddie’s connection to the Reverse Flash lore is going to pay off big time in the back half of the year.”

I guess Eddie is the ancestor of both Wells and this will come out towards the end. Poor guy, he seemed genuially nice.

This would also mean that Wells is in reality a Thawne, well should they not go for a different route with Wells being Zolomon and giving Eddie his powers and thus start the epic feud between the Allens and the Thawnes.

Well, I am definitely excited!

Well, I am thinking it can go either way. He may become Zolomon or be Zoom. Part of the reason why I want Eddie to be an RF is because I would like to see Cosnett play a villainous role. It would be fun to see and be interesting as Eddie and Barry are friends.

Which is lead me to wonder about something? Why would Wells tip off the force field Reverse flash if he is the reverse flash. Wells can see Eddie any day he liked, and would know he is his ancestor. His future self would too, so it does not make sense to "tip himself" off.

 

[The Shape]

Can we change the thread title now? Harrison Wells IS Reverse Flash.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Maybe wait until the episode featuring those comments airs just to avoid spoilers?

 

[The Shape]

Maybe wait until the episode featuring those comments airs just to avoid spoilers?

Maybe we'll just wait until the series finale airs in 10 years.

 

[Batmannerism]

Now that its pretty much established that Wells is RF perhaps the discussion should turn to how his story will play out and what his backstory is.

Personally I hope they stick with at least the better parts of comic canon.
I seriously doubt RF 's motives are noble , in pushing Barry to be all he can be.
I'm certain it has very much to do with ensuring his own existance and breaking out of the predestination paradox I suspect he's trapped in.
The beauty of time travel stories is that you can meet someone you already know, but
relative to their time you haven't met yet- a real classic, I think Star Trek used to pull that one out when the writers really couldnt think of anything else.

Anyway, very keen for episode 17. The Flash is only 9 episodes old and already awesome !

 

[Norek]

“We’re going to see what happened that night from the Reverse Flash’s point of view,” Kreisberg said. “I didn’t say it was from Wells’ point of view, I said it was from the Reverse Flash’s point of view.”

This is some confusing ass ****...

Maybe RF stole the real Wells' identity when he came to Central City from the future or something. Anyway, good to have a clarification on that matter.