The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[BH/HHH]

My theories

Wells is the Reverse Flash but he's not the Reverse Flash who killed Barry's Mother. I think he time travelled back to that moment to beat himself up and the reason he didn't beat up Eddie is that Eddie will one day become the Reverse Flash who kills Barry's Mother.

OR

Wells knows Eddie Thawne will become the Reverse Flash and he is in cohoots with the Reverse Flash from the future who is an older Eddie hence why he didn't kill Eddie. Wells has to create the suit for the Thawne to become the Reverse Flash in the future and that device is needed in order for him to go back and kill Barry's Mother.

OR

Simply, Wells is not the Reverse Flash but he knows Eddie Thawne will be someday and right now he's sewing the seeds for the Reverse Flash by creating his costume etc so that Eddie Thawne will one day take that mantle.

 

[BH/HHH]

He either went back in time to beat on himself or, and correct me if im wrong, isnt it power of the flash to create doubles of himself? not sure if this was barry and have no idea if Thawne/Zolomon could do it but that'd be an interesting power

Remember that guy who could duplicate himself? Maybe Wells stole his powers

 

[The Infernal]

I really hope the rest of the season lifts the mask of Dr. Wells (metaphorically). We've seen the RF reveal, now I want to know the hows and whys.

 

[DigificWriter]

Remember that guy who could duplicate himself? Maybe Wells stole his powers

We don't have any direct evidence of that happening, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that it did.

My theories

Wells is the Reverse Flash but he's not the Reverse Flash who killed Barry's Mother. I think he time travelled back to that moment to beat himself up and the reason he didn't beat up Eddie is that Eddie will one day become the Reverse Flash who kills Barry's Mother.

OR

Wells knows Eddie Thawne will become the Reverse Flash and he is in cohoots with the Reverse Flash from the future who is an older Eddie hence why he didn't kill Eddie. Wells has to create the suit for the Thawne to become the Reverse Flash in the future and that device is needed in order for him to go back and kill Barry's Mother.

OR

Simply, Wells is not the Reverse Flash but he knows Eddie Thawne will be someday and right now he's sewing the seeds for the Reverse Flash by creating his costume etc so that Eddie Thawne will one day take that mantle.

OR

Wells (AKA the Reverse Flash) is a future descendant of Eddie's and couldn't kill him without endangering his own existence.

 

[BH/HHH]

We don't have any direct evidence of that happening, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that it did.



OR

Wells (AKA the Reverse Flash) is a future descendant of Eddie's and couldn't kill him without endangering his own existence.

Nice one, that's what I loved about the mid season finale it raised do many questions.

I remember he did inject one meta and said let's see how you work, do you remember which one that was?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I'm of the opinion that the midseason finale didn't raise nearly as many questions as some other people think it did, but that's really neither here nor there.

I don't recall Wells ever uttering that phrase, but that doesn't mean much.

 

[BH/HHH]

^ I'm of the opinion that the midseason finale didn't raise nearly as many questions as some other people think it did, but that's really neither here nor there.

I don't recall Wells ever uttering that phrase, but that doesn't mean much.

Phrase might not be spot in but it was something like that, wish I could remember which Meta it was.

 

[Eni]

Maybe Well is not the actual Reverse Flash from the future but someone who has been affected by him (and the Flash) as well and he went back because he wants to prevent the furture from happening they way it did before. It is possible that he simply copied or stole the RF powers/costume for this but isn't that guy.

I still don't really get how his deceased love-interest plays into this he has mentioned before, whether she really existed or not. Could he has refered to someone from the future? That she died there but he changed the date to deceive Det. West? Maybe she is the reason he went back? To stop her from being killed/dying?

Him being the actual RV seems a bit off to me, too smoothe and quite questionable on the part of the writers as this is a plotline of the story they could get much more out from. Why would they give this away now already? It is very much possible that Wells is the RV but I have the inkling that there is more to it.

 

[DigificWriter]

How long is it going to take before people realize and accept that these writers don't do big flashy "shock and awe" storytelling? The way they play against expectations is to execute straightforward ideas in unexpected fashion.

Yes, Wells being the RF is the obvious story path, but the 'twists' are going to come as we find out how and why and what his ultimate endgame is.

 

[Eni]

How long is it going to take before people realize and accept that these writers don't do big flashy "shock and awe" storytelling? The way they play against expectations is to execute straightforward ideas in unexpected fashion.

Yes, Wells being the RF is the obvious story path, but the 'twists' are going to come as we find out how and why and what his ultimate endgame is.

Well, I don't think that there has been anything to "realize and accept" so far. Right now, all or our opinions are nothing more than speculations. Putting your own above others just because you think you are right doesn't give it anymore validity.

And who doesn't like a "big flashy shock and awe" effect? Pretty sure the writers don't see anything wrong with that one.

 

[DigificWriter]

Well, I don't think that there has been anything to "realize and accept" so far.

Let's see:
1) The first appearance of the RF happened immediately after Det. West subjected Wells to a very thinly veiled interrogation
2) The RF's voice, when unmodulated, sounds exactly like Wells'
3) Wells had the Tacyhon device AND the RF suit in his possession
4) The way that the reveal of Wells having the Tacyhon device and RF suit was shot and staged was almost identical to the way that the other big 'reveal' moments (Malcolm being the Dark Archer and Slade being Sebastian Blood's benefactor) were (particularly the Malcolm/Dark Archer reveal)

And who doesn't like a "big flashy shock and awe" effect? Pretty sure the writers don't see anything wrong with that one.

I never said the writers "saw anything wrong" with doing big flashy "shock and awe twists"; what I said is that they're not the kind of writers to rely on that kind of storytelling, which can be demonstrably proven by looking at the way they've handled things with Arrow through that series' first 55 episodes when it comes to pivotal storyline 'twist' moments.

Putting your own opinion above others just because you think you are right doesn't give it anymore validity.

I don't think I'm right; I know I'm right (and I know I'm right because of the way that these writers operate and what the Flash series has shown us so far).

 

[Eni]

Let's see:
1) The first appearance of the RF happened immediately after Det. West subjected Wells to a very thinly veiled interrogation
2) The RF's voice, when unmodulated, sounds exactly like Wells'
3) Wells had the Tacyhon device AND the RF suit in his possession
4) The way that the reveal of Wells having the Tacyhon device and RF suit was shot and staged was almost identical to the way that the other big 'reveal' moments (Malcolm being the Dark Archer and Slade being Sebastian Blood's benefactor) were (particularly the Malcolm/Dark Archer reveal)



I never said the writers "saw anything wrong" with doing big flashy "shock and awe twists"; what I said is that they're not the kind of writers to rely on that kind of storytelling, which can be demonstrably proven by looking at the way they've handled things with Arrow through that series' first 55 episodes when it comes to pivotal storyline 'twist' moments.



I don't think I'm right; I know I'm right (and I know I'm right because of the way that these writers operate and what the Flash series has shown us so far).

1) to 4) don't have to necessarily mean anything, as they could be nothing more than red herings from the writers. This doesn't mean that I don't see where you are coming from and I am not saying that you are wrong but I just have the feeling that the writers have more planned to it.

I can't say you whether you are right or not but I think it is probably not the wisest thing to do to validate your own opinion on anything by not knowing but simply assuming what other people have in mind.
Neither of us know the writers and just because they seem to follow a certain way of story telling right now doesn't mean that they have to stick to it.
There are 9 episodes from the Flash out so far, at least to me this isn't enough to make any certain statement about how they are going to proceed or not.

Again, I am not saying you are wrong, because you could very well be right and they are going for the Wells is the RF route, but you, like the rest of us, don't know anything for certain till the show has actually shown us what is going on.

 

[Norek]

2) The RF's voice, when unmodulated, sounds exactly like Wells'

Do you have any proof of that? Has anyone actually unmodulated the voice of RF? Or do you mean that Wells' voice, when MODULATED, sounds exactly like RF? Because that's not the same thing.

Literally anyone's voice, under heavy modulation, can sound exactly like the RF's voice. That's kinda like those people on here who could swear that it's definitely Wells in the suit and he's recognizable even with the blur effects, when in fact it's just a stunt guy.

 

[DigificWriter]

1) to 4) don't have to necessarily mean anything, as they could be nothing more than red herings from the writers. This doesn't mean that I don't see where you are coming from and I am not saying that you are wrong but I just have the feeling that the writers have more planned to it.

I can't say you whether you are right or not but I think it is probably not the wisest thing to do to validate your own opinion on anything by not knowing but simply assuming what other people have in mind.

Neither of us know the writers and just because they seem to follow a certain way of storytelling right now doesn't mean that they have to stick to it.

There are 9 episodes from the Flash out so far, at least to me this isn't enough to make any certain statement about how they are going to proceed or not.

Seriously?

What more do you want? A gigantic neon sign pointing at Wells that says "I'm the Reverse Flash"?

You and others are affording what the show and the writers have shown us far more ambiguity than is actually there.

All of your counterarguments basically amount to "you can't judge the way writers are going to behave in future by the way they've behaved in the past", which is, quite frankly, a load of BS.

Go ahead and continue to live in the Land of Denial if you want, but don't expect me to take what you have to say seriously (or to stop telling you to just give it up and accept things as they are) because it's clearly contradicted by what we've been shown and the way in which the writers have shown themselves to behave when it comes to their storytelling modus operandi.

Do you have any proof of that? Has anyone actually unmodulated the voice of RF?

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArqG_F2Yo4

In the interest of full disclosure, BTW, I had originally dismissed that unmodulated clip (due to a firm belief that Andrew Kreisberg had been telling the truth when he said Wells wasn't a comic-book character), but was forced to accept it after The Man in the Yellow Suit aired and it became clear what the writers were in fact going for.

 

[Eni]

Seriously?

What more do you want? A gigantic neon sign pointing at Wells that says "I'm the Reverse Flash"?

You and others are affording what the show and the writers have shown us far more ambiguity than is actually there.

All of your counterarguments basically amount to "you can't judge the way writers are going to behave in future by the way they've behaved in the past", which is, quite frankly, a load of BS.

Go ahead and continue to live in the Land of Denial if you want, but don't expect me to take what you have to say seriously (or to stop telling you to just give it up and accept things as they are) because it's clearly contradicted by what we've been shown and the way in which the writers have shown themselves to behave when it comes to their storytelling modus operandi.



Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArqG_F2Yo4

In the interest of full disclosure, BTW, I had originally dismissed that unmodulated clip (due to a firm belief that Andrew Kreisberg had been telling the truth when he said Wells wasn't a comic-book character), but was forced to accept it after The Man in the Yellow Suit aired and it became clear what the writers were in fact going for.

I don't see what has provoked your rather hostile and dismissive response (that a person is "living in the Land of Denial" is a pretty childish to imply just because they don't agree with you). Your opinion isn't suddenly going up in flames or become any less (or more) validated just because I am not saying that you are right.

The way you respond to me not sharing your point of view makes it obvious that you don't like to have others not agreeing with you and it results in a really unnecessary amount of petulance on your part.

 

[The Shape]

If Harrison Wells somehow turns out to NOT be Reverse Flash, this season will go down in history for the most ridiculous over-use of "red herrings" in any television show or film.

I mean, I just don't understand some people's thought process on this. Do you really NOT want him to be RF so badly that you actually refuse to accept anything we've see so far as fact?

 

[Eni]

If Harrison Wells somehow turns out to NOT be Reverse Flash, this season will go down in history for the most ridiculous over-use of "red herrings" in any television show or film.

I mean, I just don't understand some people's thought process on this. Do you really NOT want him to be RF so badly that you actually refuse to accept anything we've see so far as fact?

Well, I can say at least for me that it has nothing to do with not wanting Wells to be the RF, I just think he won't turn out to be the RF, at least not Thawne or Zoom.

I don't see what the big deal is with some of us not being convinced by the last episode that Wells is the RF. If he isn't? Great, I am sure the storyline will turn out nicely either way.

And regarding overuse of red herings - I don't think that there are enough to regard them as annoying just yet (should they even turn out to red herings). Then again, I can just speak for myself...

 

[DigificWriter]

Your opinion isn't suddenly going up in flames or become any less (or more) validated just because I am not saying that you are right.

This right here is the problem in a nutshell, because nothing I've said is opinion; it's factual and straightforward analysis of what the season has actually shown us and the way in which the writers have demonstrated that they behave when it comes to storytelling.

 

[Eni]

This right here is the problem in a nutshell, because nothing I've said is opinion; it's factual and straightforward analysis of what the season has actually shown us and the way in which the writers have demonstrated that they behave when it comes to storytelling.

I understand, but you can't validate it with anything other than something you have "analysed" and you can analyse a lot into things like a TV series, especially with something where you don't have all the data yet... but I really have the feeling I am really getting off the tract from what I initially wanted to discuss in this thread about.

Still, I respect your opinion and I see you points and it won't be that long anymore anyway to find out whether Wells is RF or not.

 

[Cain]

Plot twists have been so prevalent and overused in television and film during the past decade. So much so that audiences have become desensitized to them to the point that they always expect them. This is why so many people insist that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a raccoon instead of a duck.

More straightforward storytelling with obvious narrative paths are not expected anymore. People are so used to looking for and speculating about twists in fiction nowadays; that the most obvious and natural conclusions blindside them when they prove to be true. Which is ironic because now that has become the new form of plot twists. That is also why I'm also in the camp that feels like what we saw is exactly what it is supposed to be.

I think to hit the nail on the head even more the producers had RF metatextually wish the audience a merry christmas because the reveal was a present to them for sticking with the series during the first half of the season. Now that they have that out of the way the second half of the season will focus on the motives like DigificWriter said earlier in this thread.

 

[Eni]

Plot twists have been so prevalent and overused in television and film during the past decade. So much so that audiences have become desensitized to them to the point that they always expect them. This is why so many people insist that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a raccoon instead of a duck.

More straightforward storytelling with obvious narrative paths are not expected anymore. People are so used to looking for and speculating about twists in fiction nowadays; that the most obvious and natural conclusions blindside them when they prove to be true. Which is ironic because now that has become the new form of plot twists. That is also why I'm also in the camp that feels like what we saw is exactly what it is supposed to be.

I think to hit the nail on the head even more the producers had RF metatextually wish the audience a merry christmas because the reveal was a present to them for sticking with the series during the first half of the season. Now that they have that out of the way the second half of the season will focus on the motives like DigificWriter said earlier in this thread.

It could also be the writers playing with the viewers expectations, though. I think there isn't exactly a small part of viewers who aren't familiar with the Flash universere and who will immideatly jump the conclusion that Well is the RF. I don't think that most people think that Wells isn't the RF, I think in general it is the reverse (no pun intended) and that it are mostly comic book fans like us who care to look deeper into this.

In the end, you have to keep in mind, that this show is written for a general audience, not comic book fans, even with all it winks and easter-eggs.

I still think it would be a nice twist, Wells being not Eddie's descendant or such but someone else with a somewhat different reason for acting how he does. Him turning out to be the RF wouldn't dissapoint me either, though.

 

[Cain]

It's the contrary. The fans of the comic book were expecting Wells to be RF while the general audience ended up flabbergasted by the revelation.

Anecdoctally I've been reading flash comics since 1989. So I recognized elements of both Zoom and Professor Zoom in Wells from the beginning due to my familiarity with the source material. Whereas other people that I know who watch the show but never read a flash comic in their life were genuinely shocked. Which makes sense since as you say this show was made for them first and foremost.

It's actually the more hardcore fans that post on sites like this one who are always looking for plot twists. However many times a spade is just a spade.

 

[Eni]

It's the contrary. The fans of the comic book were expecting Wells to be RF while the general audience ended up flabbergasted by the revelation.

Anecdoctally I've been reading flash comics since 1989. So I recognized elements of both Zoom and Professor Zoom in Wells from the beginning due to my familiarity with the source material. Whereas other people that I know who watch the show but never read a flash comic in their life were genuinely shocked. Which makes sense since as you say this show was made for them first and foremost.

It's actually the more hardcore fans that post on sites like this one who are always looking for plot twists. However many times a spade is just a spade.

Well, I can only disagree with you from personal experience I have made with friends and colleagues who are not familiar with the Flash. But this is probably also something that depends on the person and thus generalizing it hasn't been the best thing to do on my part. There are obvious people who would also come to the opposite conclusion, as you have just stated.

I can't say that I have been reading Flash that long (you have started just a couple of years after my birth ) but I too enjoy the Flash and how much there is to his mythos greatly. A lot to pick from for the writers and I am honestly curious who Wells will be, whether it be one of the RFes or someone else. They have a lot of great stuff to work with.

 

[Norek]

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArqG_F2Yo4

In the interest of full disclosure, BTW, I had originally dismissed that unmodulated clip (due to a firm belief that Andrew Kreisberg had been telling the truth when he said Wells wasn't a comic-book character), but was forced to accept it after The Man in the Yellow Suit aired and it became clear what the writers were in fact going for.

Ha, that's pretty cool, thanks for sharing.

 

[The Shape]

Well, I can say at least for me that it has nothing to do with not wanting Wells to be the RF, I just think he won't turn out to be the RF, at least not Thawne or Zoom.

Why, though? Because it seems "too convenient"?

What's great is that they built up Wells as Reverse Flash so perfectly during the first half of the season leading up to the reveal, to the point where his villainy seems to be completely earned DESPITE his true motivations and backstory remaining mysterious.

I don't see what the big deal is with some of us not being convinced by the last episode that Wells is the RF. If he isn't? Great, I am sure the storyline will turn out nicely either way.

I have faith in the writers, so if Wells turned out to NOT be RF, I'm sure it would be okay -- though I'm not sure I'd like a reveal that comes completely out of left field with absolutely no build-up or previous hints.

However, it would be a shame, because each episode has systematically worked to show us that Harrison Wells is cold, methodical, ingenious, manipulative, and truly obsessed with the Flash to the point where he seems like a truly worthy nemesis. It would certainly be better than someone else popping up and saying, "Aha! It was me all along!"

And regarding overuse of red herings - I don't think that there are enough to regard them as annoying just yet (should they even turn out to red herings). Then again, I can just speak for myself...

Not enough of them? If Harrison Wells turn out to not really be the Reverse Flash, then just about every single episode of the season (starting with the pilot) thus far has contained 1 or 2 red herrings that lead us to believe he was the Reverse Flash or at least an arch-nemesis of the Flash -- from what we have visibly seen Wells do all throughout the season right down to the ominous music cues that have been present in just about all of his pre-credits stingers.

That's a lot of time (and screentime) spent leading us to believe this man was RF. His scene at the end of the mid-season finale is about as close as they could have came to having Wells stare into the camera and say, "I am the Reverse Flash".

Now, if he really isn't RF, I'll eat my words, but I can't say I won't be disappointed because they've done such a good job showing him to be RF thus far.