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The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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Actually, I believe it might be, no pun intended, the reverse--that Wells used the harness to siphon the tachyon particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then, by wearing the harness, attempted to transfer and absorb those tachyon particles from the harness into his own body. Let's take a closer look at the first scene:

[YT]watch?v=spJjZNn6xaQ[/YT]

When Wells puts the harness on the Reverse Flash suit, it appears those red energy pulses are drifting towards the center of the harness. Which would make sense since the Reverse Flash suit itself would contain tachyon particles. Also, based on how Wells can distort his vocal chords and heal from injuries, he's a natural speedster, meaning he doesn't need the Reverse Flash suit, which was confirmed in this last episode.

Now let's look at the stinger for this week's episode:

[YT]watch?v=q4pqeK9CgT4[/YT]

Gideon is talking about Well's exposure to the Tachyon particles, and Well's is telling her to increase the output from the harness. And when she says "Speed Force absorption at 35% and rising," she's talking about Well's absorption rate. So it seems the idea was to use to Tachyon harness to absorb the particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then transfer those particles into himself in order to temporarily stabilize his own speed. Which also, by the way, fits with the idea that real reason he wants Barry to get faster is so he can better absorb Barry's own Speed Force into himself.

However, given how we see Wells is unable to control his speed in this episode, and how he flat-out says it comes and goes, that, to me, suggests that the Reverse Flash from "The Man in the Yellow Suit" wasn't actually Wells at all. Because the Reverse Flash not only was more powerful than Barry, but he had even greater control over his speed, whereas Wells clearly does not. Which makes me believe that while Wells, even though he has the Reverse Flash suit and has red lightning is not THE Reverse Flash. In fact, I'm more convinced now he's actually a future version of Barry who got stuck in the past after trying to save his mom from the real Reverse Flash. As to why he has red lightning instead of yellow? Perhaps that's the result of him absorbing those tachyon particles in order to stabilize his speed powers.

Is there another person who takes over the Flash persona from Barry in the future? I'm not versed on Flash lore but couldn't Well's just be another Flash from the future? I say that because it would be strange having him be an older Barry when he looks nothing like young Barry. Not to mention, the future newspaper Well's keeps looking at has a pic of Future Flash that still looks like the Barry we know...
 
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About the twist...what if Wells turns out to be the good guy all of a sudden because he is in fact protecting Barry?
 
So maybe Wells is actually Impulse and his attempt to intervene in the past went awry perhaps he got Young Barry to safety but got back too late to prevent Nora Allen's death and whatever event insued he wasn't able to return to his own time?
 
Actually, I believe it might be, no pun intended, the reverse--that Wells used the harness to siphon the tachyon particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then, by wearing the harness, attempted to transfer and absorb those tachyon particles from the harness into his own body. Let's take a closer look at the first scene:

[YT]watch?v=spJjZNn6xaQ[/YT]

When Wells puts the harness on the Reverse Flash suit, it appears those red energy pulses are drifting towards the center of the harness. Which would make sense since the Reverse Flash suit itself would contain tachyon particles. Also, based on how Wells can distort his vocal chords and heal from injuries, he's a natural speedster, meaning he doesn't need the Reverse Flash suit, which was confirmed in this last episode.

Now let's look at the stinger for this week's episode:

[YT]watch?v=q4pqeK9CgT4[/YT]

Gideon is talking about Well's exposure to the Tachyon particles, and Well's is telling her to increase the output from the harness. And when she says "Speed Force absorption at 35% and rising," she's talking about Well's absorption rate. So it seems the idea was to use to Tachyon harness to absorb the particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then transfer those particles into himself in order to temporarily stabilize his own speed. Which also, by the way, fits with the idea that real reason he wants Barry to get faster is so he can better absorb Barry's own Speed Force into himself.

However, given how we see Wells is unable to control his speed in this episode, and how he flat-out says it comes and goes, that, to me, suggests that the Reverse Flash from "The Man in the Yellow Suit" wasn't actually Wells at all. Because the Reverse Flash not only was more powerful than Barry, but he had even greater control over his speed, whereas Wells clearly does not. Which makes me believe that while Wells, even though he has the Reverse Flash suit and has red lightning is not THE Reverse Flash. In fact, I'm more convinced now he's actually a future version of Barry who got stuck in the past after trying to save his mom from the real Reverse Flash. As to why he has red lightning instead of yellow? Perhaps that's the result of him absorbing those tachyon particles in order to stabilize his speed powers.

In the stinger you posted, Wells says "This was only ever meant to be a temporary solution anyway." This means that he has a permanent solution, which, when the 'endgame' starts, would enable him to be the Reverse Flash from the midseason finale, as that was literally Harrison Well's actor. He can still go on to be Nora's killer, so on and so forth. You haven't disqualified him from that yet.

Plus, if he was a natural speedster, he wouldn't lose and need to absorb speed, he'd generate some himself. He's genuinely crippled, and the speed he's stealing is what allows him to walk. It can be 'used up' leaving him crippled again, as we saw.

I still don't see how Eddie fits into all of this. I think that, if they keep the path they've been on, will be the shocker of the year, not just on the CW, but maybe TV on the whole, mentioned in the same sentences with the Walking Dead and Game of Thrones' finales.
 
Is there another person who takes over the Flash persona from Barry in the future? I'm not versed on Flash lore but couldn't Well's just another be another Flash from the future? I say that because it would be strange having him be older Barry when he looks nothing like young Barry. Not to mention, the future newspaper Well's keeps looking at has a pic of Future Flash that still looks like the Barry we know...

Yeah, Wally West (formerly Kid Flash) takes over as the new Flash after Barry dies in Crisis on Infinite Earths. That is where the whole "Flash vanishes in crisis" thing on the show comes from. Later on, after Wally West appeared to die in Infinite Crisis, Bart Allen (formerly Impulse) became the new Flash. So yeah, Wells could in fact be a future version of either of those guys. It seems unlikely though, since Wally and Bart are all-around good guys and Wells (whatever his true motivations are) isn't exactly a hero.

As for Barry and Wells looking nothing alike... you're right, but a few people here seem to think that they look like twins. :woot:
 
What if Jay Garrick, Wally West and Bart Allen don't really exist but are just Harrison Wells at different points in time?
 
What if Jay Garrick, Wally West and Bart Allen don't really exist but are just Harrison Wells at different points in time?

I'm glad I can watch a show that generates such theories. Reminds me of the early days of Lost.
 
Yeah, Wally West (formerly Kid Flash) takes over as the new Flash after Barry dies in Crisis on Infinite Earths. That is where the whole "Flash vanishes in crisis" thing on the show comes from. Later on, after Wally West appeared to die in Infinite Crisis, Bart Allen (formerly Impulse) became the new Flash. So yeah, Wells could in fact be a future version of either of those guys. It seems unlikely though, since Wally and Bart are all-around good guys and Wells (whatever his true motivations are) isn't exactly a hero.

As for Barry and Wells looking nothing alike... you're right, but a few people here seem to think that they look like twins. :woot:

Another think is, if Wells is future Barry and get's stuck back in the past (when he supposedly tries to save Nora and his younger self from RF) how then would Well's have a newspaper of 'himself' that say's the Flash has vanished? If the Flash's disappearance is due to Well's going back in time there's no way he could have that newspaper in his possession because when that newspaper article get's published he would have been gone…..
 
How are ppl saying he can't be future Barry since they look nothing alike?. Both are similar height, both have similar shape bodies, both have brown hair, he's protective of barry because if barry dies then he dies, he will never have existed. Both very smart etc etc. Plus yes thier faces do look different but does anyone here look exactly the same as they did 20 yrs ago?
 
How are ppl saying he can't be future Barry since they look nothing alike?. Both are similar height, both have similar shape bodies, both have brown hair, he's protective of barry because if barry dies then he dies, he will never have existed. Both very smart etc etc. Plus yes thier faces do look different but does anyone here look exactly the same as they did 20 yrs ago?

I know lots of people who look pretty similar to how they did 20 years ago and sometimes barely seem to have changed. You can still easily recognise them.

But I agree that Wells could be future Barry. They are sufficiently similar looking. Wells has a much less innocent look though, which could happen to Barry if he has certain experiences which change him.
 
It's kind of funny to think that the Reverse Flash (Wells) and Pied Piper (to a lesser extent) are essentially the Godfathers of the CW-DCU when it comes to its meta humans and the existence of certain heroes/villains, due to their creation of the Particle Accelerator.
 
It's just weird to think of a future Barry saying "See you soon Barry" to present Barry.
I mean it's not beyond possible for a comic book villain or character with an insane plan.
Just seems like it's presented as a person who isn't Barry talking out loud about Barry. But I guess technically IF he was future Barry, in this scenario they're both A Barry.

It could easily be just to throw us off though. I can admit that.
 
I never have and don't think I ever will buy into the "Wells is a future Barry" theory. So many holes in that assumption. Then on top of that we got the producers blatantly saying **** like "Wells is the devil amongst them". I'm just surprised that at this point there are people still insisting on that.
 
The question of who Wells is has been unequivocally answered, and it's ludicrous at this point for debates as to who he is to still be occurring.

He's the Reverse Flash and a time traveler.

The only questions left to be answered are what his ultimate goal (goals) is (are), what connection, if any, he has to Eddie, and how he was able to be in two places at once.
 
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I never have and don't think I ever will buy into the "Wells is a future Barry" theory. So many holes in that assumption. Then on top of that we got the producers blatantly saying **** like "Wells is the devil amongst them". I'm just surprised that at this point there are people still insisting on that.

Yeah, I'm really having a hard time understanding how anyone could believe that at this point.
 
How are ppl saying he can't be future Barry since they look nothing alike?. Both are similar height, both have similar shape bodies, both have brown hair, he's protective of barry because if barry dies then he dies, he will never have existed. Both very smart etc etc. Plus yes thier faces do look different but does anyone here look exactly the same as they did 20 yrs ago?

Yes, but then explain how future Barry, the one on the cover of the newspaper article still looks like the Barry we know, only older? Shouldn't he look more like Wells? If the show runners had intended for that to be Well's, but didn't want to give it away yet, then they could have easily blurred his face via speed distortion..
 
The question of who Wells is has been unequivocally answered, and it's ludicrous at this point for debates as to who he is to still be occurring.

He's the Reverse Flash and a time traveler.

The only questions left to be answered are what his ultimate goal (goals) is (are), what connection, if any, he has to Eddie, and how he was able to be in two places at once.

The time traveler thing kinda answers that question.
 
Yes, but then explain how future Barry, the one on the cover of the newspaper article still looks like the Barry we know, only older? Shouldn't he look more like Wells? If the show runners had intended for that to be Well's, but didn't want to give it away yet, then they could have easily blurred his face via speed distortion..

Wells traveled back to when Barry was a kid and got stuck there. So that ads another 15 or more years to his age.
 
In the stinger you posted, Wells says "This was only ever meant to be a temporary solution anyway." This means that he has a permanent solution, which, when the 'endgame' starts, would enable him to be the Reverse Flash from the midseason finale, as that was literally Harrison Well's actor. He can still go on to be Nora's killer, so on and so forth. You haven't disqualified him from that yet.

Plus, if he was a natural speedster, he wouldn't lose and need to absorb speed, he'd generate some himself. He's genuinely crippled, and the speed he's stealing is what allows him to walk. It can be 'used up' leaving him crippled again, as we saw.

I still don't see how Eddie fits into all of this. I think that, if they keep the path they've been on, will be the shocker of the year, not just on the CW, but maybe TV on the whole, mentioned in the same sentences with the Walking Dead and Game of Thrones' finales.

My theory is still that Wells is Eobard Thawne, which means that Eddie is probably an ancestor - sure it's not a very convoluted plot point, but it works.
As such, Wells/Thawne/RF cannot kill Eddie for fear of


As far as what his endgame is, well clearly he has needed Barry all along - probably as most folks have suggested to create the Speed Force. Whatever his endgame is, I suspect that it involves stabilizing his powers and regaining the ability to travel through time.

One thing that limited Reverse Flash in the comics is that he could never kill, or totally wipe out the Flash, because if he did, then he himself (Reverse Flash ) would never exist, and that was before any of the speed force stuff came along - just really simple causation = the Flash's superheroics being
Thawne's reason for gaining speed powers and travelling back to the 20th century.

This was different in the Flashpoint series, where Barry changed the timeline himself which freed the Reverse Flash from being tied to Barry's fate.
Of course RF gets killed by Batman in that series anyway.

Anyway, I'm sure that Wells/RF in the TV series is just a pastiche, so he'll have elements of the Reverse Flash and probably elements that are unique to the TV show.

One of the key missing pieces is Wells motivation for travelling back from the future in the first place ( I think we can assume safely he's a time traveller from the future). Clearly he's become part of a predestination paradox that created the Flash in the first place.

Also, I think it's possible that relative to in Wells "current" time (so 2015) the murder of Nora Allen hasn't happened yet. Maybe later in the show he travels back into the past (as does 2015 Barry) and then ends up killing Nora. So, relative to his own timeline, he hasn't committed the murder yet (because he hasn't yet regained sufficient speed to travel in time).

Who knows, it's a possibility ?


Whether he's got similar motivations to Zoom, to make the Flash a better hero, or whether he's out to destroy the Flash, but has to do so in a way that will mean he (Wells) still exists, or whether he's merely trying to return to the future ?

Until we get a few more clues as to his motivations it's very unclear - in quite a delightful way- what's going to happen.

Having said that we know an episode is coming in which Flash will confront RF during his mother's murder - I predicted from the very first episode that Barry ends up saving himself ( a bit like the second Harry Potter book).

Cheers. Looking forward to more Wells/RF hints. BTW this thread is really handy as down here in NZ we're at least 3 episodes behind, so it's good to keep up on what's going down with Barry and the gang.
 
I think there are two reverse flashes and two flashes. I think the two that were fighting to kill/protect Nora were Eobard Thawne (future ancestor of Eddie and "man in the yellow suit) and Wally West from the future. I say this for several reasons.

The "m.i.t.y.s" is clearly related to Eddie hence the reason he didn't hurt him but had no problem beating the crap out of everyone else. As for Wally, it makes sense that there would be a new flash in the future, but what really made me wonder was the introduction of his wife, Linda Park. She is apparently the same age as Barry and not from the future so in order for Wally to meet her and not be a child, he would have had to come back in time.

I think Thawne went back to kill either Barry or his mom and Wally went back to stop him and now they are both trapped in the past, perhaps due to the speedforce not yet being created in this time period. This would also explain why RF hasn't made a move on Barry until after Barry became the Flash, he ran out of juice.

Now for wells. I think he will become Zoom (Hunter Zolomon version) In the comics, Hunter was paralyzed by Gorilla Grodd. Now we don't know exactly how Wells was injured just that it happened during the explosion, which consequently released Grodd. Maybe Grodd messed wells up on his way out, I don't know but they clearly have some sort of connection. Either way, once Hunter got his powers, he could walk again. This and the fact that Wells seems to be relying on tachyons (theoretical time traveling particles) to power his "speed" similarly to how Hunter doesn't actually run fast but has more of a time control ability.

The one thing I was caught up on though was Gideon. Then I had an idea. What if Thawne brought Gideon back with him and when he realized that Barry needed to live and also become the flash for him to become the reverse flash (after he failed to kill Barry as a child and is now stuck in the past most likely because there is no speedforce yet, so without Barry no other speedsters would ever exist), gave Gideon to wells and told him about the accelerator explosion to insure that everything goes according to plan. In the comics the two RF's have worked together before and it would make sense because how else would Wells have gotten the tachyon thing after RF took off with it? I think wells is working with RF in order to one day secure his spot as a speedster as well. Just my 2 cents/theory
 
My theory is still that Wells is Eobard Thawne, which means that Eddie is probably an ancestor - sure it's not a very convoluted plot point, but it works.
As such, Wells/Thawne/RF cannot kill Eddie for fear of


As far as what his endgame is, well clearly he has needed Barry all along - probably as most folks have suggested to create the Speed Force. Whatever his endgame is, I suspect that it involves stabilizing his powers and regaining the ability to travel through time.

One thing that limited Reverse Flash in the comics is that he could never kill, or totally wipe out the Flash, because if he did, then he himself (Reverse Flash ) would never exist, and that was before any of the speed force stuff came along - just really simple causation = the Flash's superheroics being
Thawne's reason for gaining speed powers and travelling back to the 20th century.

This was different in the Flashpoint series, where Barry changed the timeline himself which freed the Reverse Flash from being tied to Barry's fate.
Of course RF gets killed by Batman in that series anyway.

Anyway, I'm sure that Wells/RF in the TV series is just a pastiche, so he'll have elements of the Reverse Flash and probably elements that are unique to the TV show.

One of the key missing pieces is Wells motivation for travelling back from the future in the first place ( I think we can assume safely he's a time traveller from the future). Clearly he's become part of a predestination paradox that created the Flash in the first place.

Also, I think it's possible that relative to in Wells "current" time (so 2015) the murder of Nora Allen hasn't happened yet. Maybe later in the show he travels back into the past (as does 2015 Barry) and then ends up killing Nora. So, relative to his own timeline, he hasn't committed the murder yet (because he hasn't yet regained sufficient speed to travel in time).

Who knows, it's a possibility ?


Whether he's got similar motivations to Zoom, to make the Flash a better hero, or whether he's out to destroy the Flash, but has to do so in a way that will mean he (Wells) still exists, or whether he's merely trying to return to the future ?

Until we get a few more clues as to his motivations it's very unclear - in quite a delightful way- what's going to happen.

Having said that we know an episode is coming in which Flash will confront RF during his mother's murder - I predicted from the very first episode that Barry ends up saving himself ( a bit like the second Harry Potter book).

Cheers. Looking forward to more Wells/RF hints. BTW this thread is really handy as down here in NZ we're at least 3 episodes behind, so it's good to keep up on what's going down with Barry and the gang.

I pretty much agree with all of this, and I also called Barry saving himself from the get. I think the real ringer is going to be how Eddie figures into everything.
 
My hunch is that Eddie becomes the trigger of the infamous Thawne/Allen feud from the comics in this incarnation.
 
I think there are two reverse flashes and two flashes. I think the two that were fighting to kill/protect Nora were Eobard Thawne (future ancestor of Eddie and "man in the yellow suit) and Wally West from the future. I say this for several reasons.

The "m.i.t.y.s" is clearly related to Eddie hence the reason he didn't hurt him but had no problem beating the crap out of everyone else. As for Wally, it makes sense that there would be a new flash in the future, but what really made me wonder was the introduction of his wife, Linda Park. She is apparently the same age as Barry and not from the future so in order for Wally to meet her and not be a child, he would have had to come back in time.

I think Thawne went back to kill either Barry or his mom and Wally went back to stop him and now they are both trapped in the past, perhaps due to the speedforce not yet being created in this time period. This would also explain why RF hasn't made a move on Barry until after Barry became the Flash, he ran out of juice.

Now for wells. I think he will become Zoom (Hunter Zolomon version) In the comics, Hunter was paralyzed by Gorilla Grodd. Now we don't know exactly how Wells was injured just that it happened during the explosion, which consequently released Grodd. Maybe Grodd messed wells up on his way out, I don't know but they clearly have some sort of connection. Either way, once Hunter got his powers, he could walk again. This and the fact that Wells seems to be relying on tachyons (theoretical time traveling particles) to power his "speed" similarly to how Hunter doesn't actually run fast but has more of a time control ability.

The one thing I was caught up on though was Gideon. Then I had an idea. What if Thawne brought Gideon back with him and when he realized that Barry needed to live and also become the flash for him to become the reverse flash (after he failed to kill Barry as a child and is now stuck in the past most likely because there is no speedforce yet, so without Barry no other speedsters would ever exist), gave Gideon to wells and told him about the accelerator explosion to insure that everything goes according to plan. In the comics the two RF's have worked together before and it would make sense because how else would Wells have gotten the tachyon thing after RF took off with it? I think wells is working with RF in order to one day secure his spot as a speedster as well. Just my 2 cents/theory

Respect your theory dude. But disagree on having an RF and Zoom, it just strikes me as redundant and mildly confusing.

In fact I always found Zoom to be a completely redundant villain - he's pretty much the reverse flash, just a little bit crazier. It's the fact that he has practically the same costume as well that bugs me the most, totally unnecessary. I guess they wanted a Reverse Flash type nemesis for Wally, back in the day.

However, given the way the Flash TV universe has played out thus far, I don't see a need for Zoom. Now it's possible maybe Eddie Thawne will one day become a supervillain, but I still think it's more likely he's just an ancestor of Wells - and a romantic rival for Barry. Having the character's nemesis also be their romantic rival is just a bit too much of a cliche.

As for Wells/RF being in two places at once, which seems to bug people - as a time traveller that's pretty simple to explain. Dude, I have to say, it looks pretty conclusive that Wells actually IS the RF - but again, if you're right I'll eat my words.

cheers.
 
nrose21, we know that there's only ONE Reverse Flash because it's been stated (by Tom Cavanagh himself), and because the series itself has been consistently pointing in that direction.

We may or may not have seen two versions of the RF from different time periods, but, if such is the case, both RFs are still very likely going to be Harrison Wells (Back to the Future-style).
 
nrose21, we know that there's only ONE Reverse Flash because it's been stated (by Tom Cavanagh himself), and because the series itself has been consistently pointing in that direction.

We may or may not have seen two versions of the RF from different time periods, but, if such is the case, both RFs are still very likely going to be Harrison Wells (Back to the Future-style).

Not just from Cavanagh and the show itself but also from the showrunner:

Andrew Kreisberg:...Wells comes in and he's really, like, being this hero. But we all know that he's the Reverse-Flash.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58826
 
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